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Officials: 2nd US case of MERS being reported
AP ^ | 5/12/14

Posted on 05/12/2014 9:54:50 AM PDT by Kartographer

Health officials have confirmed a second U.S. case of a mysterious virus that has sickened hundreds in the Middle East.

(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: health; mers; mersvirus
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Example of what happens when you just let anyone in.
1 posted on 05/12/2014 9:54:50 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Prepper’s PING!!


2 posted on 05/12/2014 9:55:26 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Like a returning US citizen?


3 posted on 05/12/2014 10:00:24 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: steve86

Yes even a citizen returning from a country with a known outbreak. its call quarantine. You might just look it up.


4 posted on 05/12/2014 10:03:26 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

“The MERS virus has been found in camels, but officials don’t know how it is spreading to humans.”

I’ve got a pretty good idea.


5 posted on 05/12/2014 10:06:53 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Kartographer

Not to worry. This administration will let millions of bearers in so they can get free care through 0bamacare.


7 posted on 05/12/2014 10:07:57 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Kartographer

How would you determine who needs to be quarantined? It takes up to 2 weeks just for symptoms to show.


8 posted on 05/12/2014 10:10:32 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: Kartographer
Yes even a citizen returning from a country with a known outbreak. its call quarantine. You might just look it up.

Quarantine? That sounds like an 18th/19th century infringement of human rights. At least 40 of the first 248 reported cases of A.I.D.S. in the U.S. were traceable to "Patient Zero" Gaetan Dugas. Dugas according to his own estimation averaged hundreds of sex partners a year, over 2,500 sexual partners across North America before dying of AIDS at age 31. After his diagnosis of "Gay Cancer", Dugas continued to sleep with random partners and would reportedly visit gay clubs afterward, turn the lights up, and boast he had passed the cancer on to his partner. That's modern freedom.

If we listened to you sensible, responsible types, we wouldn't have Ebola, MERS, and other new medical challenges spreading.

9 posted on 05/12/2014 10:16:38 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

GRID: Gay Related Immune Deficiency

That’s what they called it. To me, that is generally still what it is, at least in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency


10 posted on 05/12/2014 10:23:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Kartographer

Times two by 1000 and that will be the number of cases in a few weeks. Then more, and more and more.

I understand the guy landed in London? If so, let see how well the Brits valued HS handles the pandemic.


11 posted on 05/12/2014 10:32:42 AM PDT by crz
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To: redhawk.44mag

Two weeks of someone’s life who took a chance going somewhere with a known outbreak or all the life others which might get exposed upon their return, looks to me to be an easy choice.

Then maybe you would mind sitting next to someone with MERS on a plane.

Given time I am sure a test can be designed to shorten the quarantine time, but until then tough, you choose to go there.

You don’t just protect your borders against human invaders but biological one’s as well, but then maybe you are a open boarders type. The southern border right now is the main reason for the reoccurrence of many diseases that once were rare in this country, but I guess letting diseased ‘emigrants’ cross the border is an act of ‘love’ right Jeb?


12 posted on 05/12/2014 10:32:47 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: crz

So far, I can’t find any recent cases of MERS in the UK, just this, from a report about the first MERS case reported here (USA). That passenger (a health care worker) had traveled from Riyadh, through London and on to Chicago....

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No cases of Mers in the UK have been detected since February 2013, Public Health England said....Professor Nick Phin, head of respiratory diseases for Public Health England, said human-to-human transmission of the virus was “extremely rare”.

But he told any passengers from the flight to call 111 if they experienced respiratory symptoms or felt unwell.

Mers has an incubation period of up to 14 days, so any illness starting after 9 May would not be related, Public Health England said.


13 posted on 05/12/2014 10:51:17 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Kartographer

The first was a healthcare worker returning from the middle east. Details on the second haven’t been released.

I think we should quarantine healthcare workers returning from the middle east for a couple of days.


14 posted on 05/12/2014 10:52:05 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Kartographer

Who would pay for the facilities at our international airports for this service?

How many employers do you think would want to pay for a 2 week quarantine? There are lots of contractors and businesses that send their employees overseas for work. They would have to pay these people for their quarantine time wouldn’t they? Would they get paid 24/7? Would you go to a job overseas if you had to go 2 weeks without pay, staying in quarantine?


15 posted on 05/12/2014 10:54:16 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: Jane Long

I understand that one has to be very close in contact for a lengthy time. So, we shall see.


16 posted on 05/12/2014 10:57:28 AM PDT by crz
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To: redhawk.44mag

Who would go somewhere knowing that the is an epidemic there? And why should someone else be exposed to a disease which they can die from because you were stupid enough to go there?

So if you go there get the MERS bring it back and kill a couple people everything is OK because otherwise it would cost to much?

Personally if the you agree to work for a company that’s going to send you there then you and company pick up the tab. Its’ the cost of doing business there.

If there was someone on a plane that went over got MERS and come back and they gave it to you how happy would you be? Personally I would sue the person and the company he work for and everyone in between.


17 posted on 05/12/2014 11:01:45 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: DannyTN

Aren’t you worried about who is going to pay for the quarantine? (sarc)


18 posted on 05/12/2014 11:03:11 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: crz
"I understand that one has to be very close in contact for a lengthy time."

Like setting next to someone on a long trans-ocean plane ride breathing in recirculated air?
19 posted on 05/12/2014 11:05:06 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; ...
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

20 posted on 05/12/2014 11:09:00 AM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: redhawk.44mag; Kartographer
It takes up to 2 weeks just for symptoms to show.

Strangely enough the very word "quarantine" comes from the French for 14 days.

But you knew that dincha? You found that out when you looked it up just like Kartographer suggested, right?

21 posted on 05/12/2014 11:12:07 AM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: null and void

Seems many are more worried about the cause of a quarantine than the billions that would incur once such diseases get a foot hold here. And some are more worried about their own paycheck than if their choices would sicken or even kill others.


22 posted on 05/12/2014 11:15:22 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

YA! Last year, I caught the worst cold of my life flying from Denver to Vegas. While waiting for the plane to finish loading, in comes a mom, dad, and a little boy who’s nose was red and dripping and coughing all over the place. The Mom had the same and the dad did not look any better. I looked at the guy next to me and told him we had better get ready to enjoy our next sickness.


23 posted on 05/12/2014 11:16:15 AM PDT by crz
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To: Jane Long
"Mers has an incubation period of up to 14 days, so any illness starting after 9 May would not be related, Public Health England said."

Apparently logic isn't one of Public Health England's strong suit.

24 posted on 05/12/2014 11:17:18 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Kartographer

Govt contractors travel quite a bit to the middle east, as do our military. Lots of people need and want their jobs. If a govt contractor has to pay for this, then the cost gets added to the contract, guess who really pays?

Airline crews go there, would you expect them to be quarantined?

Who will pay for the quarantine of those that do not go there on business? What if they cannot pay?

Would there be facilities at each intnl airport for this quarantine?

Who would man these facilities?

Would you put people in special jails that refuse the quarantine?

How would it be enforced?


25 posted on 05/12/2014 11:17:50 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: Mad Dawgg

I think their dates were based on the (original) April 24th flight.


26 posted on 05/12/2014 11:18:39 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: null and void

No, I looked up MERS


27 posted on 05/12/2014 11:18:53 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: redhawk.44mag

How much is those peoples health and life worth?


28 posted on 05/12/2014 11:20:45 AM PDT by crz
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To: crz

Same thing happen to me back in ‘04 flying from Atlanta to San Francisco. The guy behind use hacked and sneezed the whole flight. The flight back was agonizing as my ears where stopped up the whole way. Took almost a month to get over it. But then the guy made his business trip and didn’t lose any more though he sure cost me a bundle in medical bills.


29 posted on 05/12/2014 11:20:47 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
"Aren’t you worried about who is going to pay for the quarantine? (sarc)"

Cost avoidance. Quarantine has got to be cheaper than the medical bills if that spreads.

30 posted on 05/12/2014 11:21:44 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: redhawk.44mag

So you come back give it to your kid and you kid goes to school and gives it to my grandchild and they die from it, but that’s OK because you didn’t lose any money? How big of you.


31 posted on 05/12/2014 11:23:05 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: DannyTN
"Quarantine has got to be cheaper than the medical bills if that spreads."

AMEN!!!
32 posted on 05/12/2014 11:24:12 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I hate flying for that reason alone. I’ll put up with all the rest, but assholes who get on board and spread their crap around are...


33 posted on 05/12/2014 11:24:34 AM PDT by crz
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To: redhawk.44mag

If a preventable epidemic sweeps through a country, who pays?

If your baby daughter dies of MERS because an infected person didn’t want to pay for a quarantine, is that an acceptable cost of doing business in the middle east in your mind?


34 posted on 05/12/2014 11:25:02 AM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: crz
"How much is those peoples health and life worth?"

Apparently not as much as some peoples pay checks.
35 posted on 05/12/2014 11:25:22 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: null and void

AMEN!!


36 posted on 05/12/2014 11:25:50 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Jane Long
"I think their dates were based on the (original) April 24th flight."

I think they are morons and the date doesn't matter because they are assuming they know all strains and mutations and other factors like someone being a carrier and exhibiting no symptoms (which has happened in many diseases.)

Assuming they know ALL the contacts an infected individual had going through a city and/or airport is what is known as a fail point. Someone could've contracted the disease from the known infected individual went home talked to a neighbor who talked to someone else etc. Then he could get hit by a car and die and the doctors would not know he had the disease.

The scenarios for going undetected are endless and making a statement that a new case after a certain date is not related without qualifying all that is pure Bull Shit.

37 posted on 05/12/2014 11:28:47 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: crz

Perhaps you could just try to answer the questions?


38 posted on 05/12/2014 11:34:19 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: Kartographer
Yes even a citizen returning from a country with a known outbreak. its call quarantine. You might just look it up.

Much too broad a net. Every country has an outbreak of something or other. Every country has thousands of its citizens travelling overseas at any given time. What you propose is realistic for say, a health care worker who visits the site of an Ebola outbreak in Mali. It is most certainly not realistic or even useful for practically everyone else. Some of the reasons for that have been pointed out to you elsewhere on the thread.

39 posted on 05/12/2014 11:34:46 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: Kartographer

Please see my #38


40 posted on 05/12/2014 11:35:20 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: null and void

Please see my #38


41 posted on 05/12/2014 11:35:53 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: redhawk.44mag

So how in your estimation just how many people would have to die or get severally ill to equal your paycheck?


42 posted on 05/12/2014 11:38:07 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: redhawk.44mag

HOW MUCH are peoples lives and health worth?


43 posted on 05/12/2014 11:39:24 AM PDT by crz
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To: crz

Apparently a lot less than his pay check.


44 posted on 05/12/2014 11:41:20 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Ya like TB. Wait till another serious outbreak of smallpox starts.


45 posted on 05/12/2014 11:43:44 AM PDT by crz
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To: Kartographer

One thing to remember...go early, stay long and return late.


46 posted on 05/12/2014 11:45:36 AM PDT by crz
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To: Kartographer

Not my paycheck, I don’t travel there, besides, at my payscale, it would probably be a couple mules worth.

Still no idea on who will pay for all of this? Seems it would have to be the govt, and we freepers know we don’t want more govt spending...right?


47 posted on 05/12/2014 11:53:57 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: crz

Don’t know, but since the govt would end up paying for all the quarantine costs, they probably have a figure.


48 posted on 05/12/2014 11:55:08 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: crz

Mind your language please; there are ladies present.


49 posted on 05/12/2014 11:57:01 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Kartographer

2-4-6-8.....etc.


50 posted on 05/12/2014 11:57:17 AM PDT by jetson
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