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Colorado Gun Grabbers Smoking Dope
Townhall.com ^ | May 12, 2014 | Shawn Mitchell

Posted on 05/12/2014 12:00:19 PM PDT by Kaslin

Throwing a heavy net of restrictions over gun users was always going to entangle law abiding Coloradans’ Constitutional rights. But Sara Warren couldn’t have guessed how it would trip up her ability to make a living.

No one foresaw her plight because no one thought through the battery of gun controls conceived in Washington DC and New York City and imposed on the Rocky Mountains.The President insisted; Joe Biden insisted; Michael Bloomberg insisted; and governing Democrats saluted: If we can grab guns here in western, purple Colorado, we can do it anywhere.

The state’s malpractice was hasty, deliberate, and cowardly. The Democrat-controlled legislature stiff-armed overwhelming public opposition, ignored warnings of numerous flaws and drafting problems, skipped any attempt to fix bad bills, and rushed the slate by razor margins to the governor. John Hickenlooper signed the package in a rushed, closed event. Coloradans were unamused over being treated as symbolic pawns in a national chess game. Three recalled lawmakers paid with their jobs.

Now the state is paying in confusion and harassment of innocent citizens. As reported in Loveland’s Reporter-Herald, Ms. Warren is a contract maid and housecleaner. For her safety, she legally carries a gun into unknown buildings and residences. Well, she used to carry. She’s been without her handgun and fearful to take on unfamiliar new jobs since she was injured in an auto accident in April.

What does that have to do with her gun? It seems ambulance EMTs took the gun from her car or purse, gave to hospital employees, who gave it Ft. Collins Police, who won’t give it back to her. They claim they can’t under the new laws.

One bill codified the reportedly popular idea of universal background checks for all gun transfers, commercial or private. Concepts often poll well, but details can bite. Opponents warned at the time the language was too broad, the provisions unclear, and all kinds of unintended mischief was in store.

Ft. Collins police say their city attorney--and apparent legal guardian and custodian of their judgment and sense—advises them the gun was transferred out of Warren’s possession. Now, the cops possess it. Re-transfer to its owner requires a “universal background check.” Complicating things, the law routes such checks through licensed gun dealers—FFLs or Federal Firearms Licensees in industry parlance—because private parties don’t have access to criminal databases.

Ft. Collins has no FFL on staff, so the police profess to be unable to perform the necessary check. They’re all tied in knots and can’t return Ms. Warren’s gun. This is offensive lunacy. Human beings acting as public servants instead of people-pushing, gun-grabbing, police-state bureaucrats could solve Ms. Warren’s problem several ways immediately.

A. Judges apply a common rule of statutory interpretation: Give laws their literal meaning, but try to avoid absurd, uncontemplated results. Losing the right to possess a firearm because of an accident is absurd. Police holding the gun is an emergency custodial circumstance, not a “transfer” contemplated by the statute.

B. Ms Warren is the victim of a series of unlawful and voidable handoffs of the gun. Ambulance personnel didn’t undergo background checks to take the gun. Hospital staff was unchecked when it took the hot potato, and police already confess they lack a handy FFL, so they took the gun with unwashed hands. Each handoff should be seen as a legally deficient transfer, the entire sequence unwound, and the gun restored to its lawful owner.

C. If Ft. Collins police are genuinely concerned about Warren’s lawful status, they have access to crime databases to check her out in minutes. State law involves an FFL only because lawmakers considered private transfers, and failed to anticipate circumstances where law enforcement needs to return a weapon to a rightful owner. It’s nonsense for police to pretend they can’t confirm Warren’s clean bill of legal health.

D. If a bureaucrat insists a gun check by a private FFL is the only ticket out of this mess, then the department already should have done what lawmakers imposed on the rest of us: meet her at a gun store and get the check done.

It appears D will be the city’s eventual solution, some two months and an unknown amount of lost work since Warren’s accident. This isn’t the first time gun grabbers have reminded us the Law is an Ass. Last summer a community group organizing a gun buyback event with the Boulder County Sheriff’s Department scrapped the project when they realized it would trigger background check requirements for collecting the guns and handing them to the sheriff.

The city’s rigid stance is an act of bad faith. Larimer County Sheriff Justin Smith, who opposed the gun bills—virtually all of Colorado’s sheriffs opposed the bills--and is not involved in this dispute, told the Reporter-Herald, the law is unworkable as written; but, police can find ways to do the right thing. For example, state law enforcement doesn’t generally perform FFL checks when it transfers guns within agencies, even though it would be literally required. It relies on information accessible in crime databases. That’s a simple solution for Warren’s problem.

"I'll risk being in noncompliance with the law before I'm keeping somebody's property we have no right to keep," Smith told the Reporter-Herald. Now, that’s the attitude of someone trying to serve the citizens, not screw with gun owners.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; marijuana

1 posted on 05/12/2014 12:00:19 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

$2 million lawsuit.

Problem solved. She can then buy an new gun.

Won’t happen in that county again, as they will have a new sheriff at nest election.


2 posted on 05/12/2014 12:08:04 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Kaslin

I believe that Colorado got exactly the outcome that they wanted. They confiscated a gun from a law abiding citizen who will never get it back. That’s a victory and they will work diligently to achieve more such victories. The only recourse is to turn out both the Governor and the Legislature.


3 posted on 05/12/2014 12:11:36 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Balding_Eagle

Seems to me she’s got a case against the EMTs for petty theft.


4 posted on 05/12/2014 12:11:59 PM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Tim Masters and David Lane just took 10 million from those idiots.. I am hoping she will file against them very soon.


5 posted on 05/12/2014 12:15:57 PM PDT by GrndLkNatv
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To: Balding_Eagle

“$2 million lawsuit.

Problem solved. She can then buy an new gun.”

Lawsuits are fun but they don’t solve much. Even after they got caught sending an innocent man to prison (and getting sued big) Fort Collins police haven’t been held accountable and haven’t learned their lesson. If the sheriff’s office did crap like this you bet we would have a new sheriff but city police are run by unaccountable bureaucrats that don’t care how much tax payer money has to go out in settlements


6 posted on 05/12/2014 12:16:05 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: Kaslin

Pfl


7 posted on 05/12/2014 12:18:16 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Ft. Collins is an idiot liberal college town. I really feel bad for people who have to live in Colorado when it’s now being run by complete morons. Colorado has attracted good talented people for a long time, but it also attracted stupid trust-funders, and they’re the ones drawn to political power.


8 posted on 05/12/2014 12:20:26 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Kaslin

I sure hope that gun isn’t involved in a crime while it is out of the owner’s possession.


9 posted on 05/12/2014 12:30:54 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Actually the Sheriff is a good guy there. He stood out in front of the Ft Collins high school in 0 degree temperature waving the American Flag in protest of school. He is one of the 55 Sheriffs sued the state over the gun legislation.


10 posted on 05/12/2014 12:35:27 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

We don’t want a new sheriff in Larimer county.


11 posted on 05/12/2014 12:38:46 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Kaslin

Option D is what I’ve been saying since day one. There’s no excuse.


12 posted on 05/12/2014 12:44:34 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: TigersEye

Why is there a police department that seems to be extra-constitutional? Seems pretty shady for a county which would otherwise elect someone respectful of natural rights.


13 posted on 05/12/2014 12:50:37 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk

I don’t think the Ft. Collins City police are elected.


14 posted on 05/12/2014 12:58:42 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: TigersEye

Exactly why i said it seems shady for a county which would otherwise elect yadda yadda.


15 posted on 05/12/2014 1:15:54 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: george76

Colorado ping.


16 posted on 05/12/2014 1:25:50 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: Kaslin

Here’s some additional information not in the article:

1. It’s a simple matter to transfer the gun back to Warren legally through any Colorado FFL.

2. The Fort Collins police department is sitting on several other guns that they have illegally stolen under a variety of similar circumstances and have refused to give any of them back.

3. The anti-gun City Attorney threatened to charge the Police Chief with illegal transfer under the new state laws even if he LEGALLY transferred any of the guns back to their rightful owners.

4. In Warren’s case, when the hospital employee took her gun, and every time that gun was handed from person to person thereafter, under Colorado law, an illegal transfer took place, AND the City Attorney chose to ignore ALL of those illegal transfers.

5. As a consequence of the Reporter-Herald’s article, all of the guns stolen by the police department are scheduled to be given back.

6. As a consequence of Warren’s tenacious perseverance and the attendant publicity, the Fort Collins police department has changed their policy to no longer steal the firearms of private citizens, but confiscate a gun only if it the possessor is being arrested for a crime involving that gun.


17 posted on 05/12/2014 2:10:46 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: RandallFlagg; MileHi; dhs12345; dynachrome; Balata; bboop; BulletBobCo; Carley; ColoCowgirl; ...

Colorado Ping ( Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from the list.)


18 posted on 05/12/2014 2:24:39 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: catnipman

Thanks for the update. In this case the gun grabbers resorted to outright theft, although they are covering up for each other, of course.


19 posted on 05/12/2014 2:29:57 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Kaslin
The basic problem the woman has is that she lives in a Democratic-run jurisdiction whose political hotshots have decided to behave as if they were in Kings County, New York (Brooklyn).
20 posted on 05/12/2014 3:26:43 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: george76
It seems ambulance EMTs took the gun from her car or purse, gave to hospital employees, who gave it Ft. Collins Police, who won’t give it back to her. They claim they can’t under the new laws.

Sounds like at least 3 illegal transfers took place if you buy the city liars, oops- lawyers, read on it.

21 posted on 05/12/2014 3:36:12 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi

yes


22 posted on 05/12/2014 3:39:07 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: MileHi; All

Agreed. Three illegal transfers.
So.....when’s the court dates for all involved -except for the lawful owner of said weapon considering she gave no permission for the illegal transfer (Which also adds the charge of theft of a firearm to the list)?

I hope others have sent this story to the Independence Institute, David Codrea, Tom Gresham and others.

I have.


23 posted on 05/12/2014 3:44:22 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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OH! And I just called them, too:

303-279-6536
Push 2 for Jon Caldera. He’s the guy to talk to.
They’re open for another 12 minutes.
(And, yes. They know about it)


24 posted on 05/12/2014 3:47:06 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Thanks Flagg, I will pull their chain tomorrow.


25 posted on 05/12/2014 4:32:10 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi

They were very kind on the phone. These are the good guys. The allies. We need more like them.

I truly hope that this isn’t dropped. That Ft. Collins lady’s second amendment rights are bring infringed upon by the state, and that alone marks this dumb-assed law for extinction.

I hope Caldera and Co. will take this on with all barrels, and I hope she lets them.


26 posted on 05/12/2014 4:44:26 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Done!


27 posted on 05/13/2014 3:33:15 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: george76; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; LdSentinal

Maybe I should go to Colorado.


28 posted on 05/13/2014 4:10:24 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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