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Should we kill Obamacare's employer mandate?
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 12, 2014 | by Michael Hiltzik

Posted on 05/12/2014 1:57:52 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

As complaints and cavils about the Affordable Care Act fall by the wayside, one piece of the law looms ever larger as its most controversial element: the employer mandate, which next year will impose a penalty on businesses with 50 or more employees for not offering them health coverage.

Indeed, if not for partisanship in Washington, there's a chance that the employer mandate would have been revised or repealed long ago. It has always been questioned by a broad spectrum of economists, who are uneasy about its labor market effects.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: failure; obamacare; rinocare; socialism
Health insurance "law of the land" cluster [blank].
1 posted on 05/12/2014 1:57:52 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“As complaints and cavils about the Affordable Care Act fall by the wayside.....”

Oh r’ly?


2 posted on 05/12/2014 2:00:08 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer


I am Obamacare and you will never destroy me!
3 posted on 05/12/2014 2:00:21 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3154892/posts

The above is the most significant article this year. It appears the Democrats, to save themselves, will have to impeach Obama. When that happens we can dispense with everything he has done. But attacking Obamacare piecemeal will only lessen the pressure on them.


4 posted on 05/12/2014 2:02:59 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Boehner did not call it “a law” of the land but “THE law of the land”...


5 posted on 05/12/2014 2:08:46 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The employer mandate was included as a diversion intended to be challenged and removed from the law (leaving all health insurance in the hands of government); it will allow employers can remove healthcare costs from their books (which is what Republicans wanted anyway).


6 posted on 05/12/2014 2:12:38 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No ... kill it all.


7 posted on 05/12/2014 2:12:48 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No.
The entire thing needs to go.


8 posted on 05/12/2014 2:13:49 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Will they still have to pay the Cadillac Tax ?


9 posted on 05/12/2014 2:18:52 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Gen.Blather
"It appears the Democrats, to save themselves, will have to impeach Obama."

You are kidding, right? Democrats would almost literally chew off their own legs before they would impeach Obama. A large number of Republicans would too.

Obama will NEVER, EVER be impeached.

10 posted on 05/12/2014 2:19:29 PM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwellou)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Lets define “Affordable”. I offer health insurance for my employees - in fact unless they are covered on another policy like a spouse or parent they MUST take coverage.

We just got our renewal for this year - its ONLY a 92% increase in premium! Wooo Hooo!

On what planet do these clowns call this affordable? How is my coverage different between the day BEFORE renewal and the day AFTER renewal? I get no additional benefit from the new coverage, nothing that wasn’t covered before. We have dental, vision, and very good medical coverage with a $1500 deductible and minor co-pay. We cover birth control, probably abortion too (never checked), mental health is covered up to the same Obama Care limit (I think it’s a million bucks).

I am wondering how if I was covered for about half of the renewal amount - what am I paying for?

I suspect I am paying for all those who pay nothing into anything ever!

What a crock of crap....

This whole thing needs to go away.


11 posted on 05/12/2014 2:21:28 PM PDT by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: Sicon

“Obama will NEVER, EVER be impeached. “

Did you read the article?


12 posted on 05/12/2014 2:21:52 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Little Ray

Just wait kiddos, insurance Renewal for small business comes up in a couple of months. People will be so angry when companies cancel their insurance and throw them onto the market to find replacement policies. Notice I left out “affordable”, because it won’t be.


13 posted on 05/12/2014 2:22:38 PM PDT by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: Gen.Blather

Good article, but impeachment is a long shot. It would take an in-your-face catastrophe that even low-information citizens perceive as a presidential high crime.

IRS targeting should have met that standard, but a whistle blower it does not appear to be going anywhere. We will see what Rep. Gowdy does with Benghazi...


14 posted on 05/12/2014 2:26:41 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Nuke the entire site from orbit—it’s the only way to be sure”...........................


15 posted on 05/12/2014 2:28:10 PM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: msrngtp2002

Well, I found out who is helping to ensure the right to free healthcare for people who can’t or won’t provide for themselves.

My out of pocket went from $0 + $1250.00 deductible in 2013 to $5200.00 plus a $1250.00 deductible for 2014. What a deal eh?

I’m a good slave. no/s

FUBO


16 posted on 05/12/2014 2:31:52 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08 (SEND BITCOIN 1CYfujvffxKKPHKvrQvLP3CDb3Z5Lu7LwM)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Individual Mandate needs major reform, at a minimum. To force a citizen to buy a crappy product with high premiums and, even worse, very high deductibles is outrageous!


17 posted on 05/12/2014 2:35:33 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“As complaints and cavils about the Affordable Care Act fall by the wayside...”

The reasons are:

1. Complainers are dead or no longer in a position to complain.
2. Whiners are going to have their say at the ballot box. Nothing more needs to be said.


18 posted on 05/12/2014 2:48:18 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
next year will impose a penalty on businesses with 50 or more employees for not offering them health coverage.

What health coverage? Am I correct that my belief is that we will have to apply for this health insurance on Obamacare site. I understand that private insurance companies, if still in business, will have to have the same program that the Cadillac plan has. No matter what avenue you take the cost will skyrocket and the deductible will be huge.

19 posted on 05/12/2014 2:49:07 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Hiltzik’s wrong. If it wasn’t for partisanship, the mandate would have been operational by now. The only reason Obama’s holding off on implementing the most offensive parts of the bill is because he’s afraid the public will figure out what a piece of crap it is before the ‘14 elections.

To believe Hiltzik, you’d have to believe that an individual who routinely misuses executive orders would be sitting around the White House wringing his hands and saying, “I’d like to eliminate the employer mandate, but those mean old Republicans won’t let me”. Humbug!


20 posted on 05/12/2014 3:10:33 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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To: msrngtp2002

After renewal, it provides free birth control for feminist activists.


21 posted on 05/12/2014 3:14:03 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It depends on John Boehner.... unfortunately!


22 posted on 05/12/2014 3:47:50 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Too effen late morons. The moral hazard created by the individual exchanges will cause employers to dump their sickest and oldest. This is why you have to kill it all dead.


23 posted on 05/12/2014 6:29:13 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No, just kill the whole ACA. Period.


24 posted on 05/12/2014 10:09:15 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 9422WMR

Yep. Folks have no idea what their employers have been doing on their behalf. Wait ‘til they try managing insurance on their own!
I am so not looking forward to it.


25 posted on 05/13/2014 8:34:18 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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26 posted on 05/13/2014 8:34:38 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Gen.Blather
. It appears the Democrats, to save themselves, will have to impeach Obama. When that happens we can dispense with everything he has done.

But what are you saying? That impeaching and removing him would invalidate obamacare? It wouldn't.

27 posted on 05/14/2014 7:09:11 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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