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Has the ship [Santa Maria] Columbus discovered the New World in been found?
Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 12 May 2014 | MARK PRIGG

Posted on 05/12/2014 6:44:30 PM PDT by Fractal Trader

The ship that led Christopher Columbus' mission to discover America has been found after 500 years, it has been claimed.

A recent expedition has left experts 'confident' a wreck found off the north coast of Haiti is the the Santa Maria.

The 58foot ship was the flagship of the expectation, but its final whereabouts have never been known - until now.

The Santa María was belived to be a 58 ft (17.7 m) long boat, described as 'very little larger than 100 toneladas' (About 100 tons, or tuns). It was used as the flagship for the expedition, along with the smaller ships Santa Clara, remembered as La Niña ('The Girl'), and La Pinta ('The Painted').

All three of the ships were second-hand (if not third or more) and were not intended for exploration.

The wreck was found off the north coast of Haiti during an expedition led by Barry Clifford, an explorer most famously known for his discovery of a complete pirate ship.

'All the geographical, underwater topography and archaeological evidence strongly suggest that this wreck is Columbus famous flagship, the Santa Maria,' said Clifford, who led a recent expedition to the wreck as part of a History Channel TV show.

'The Haitian government has been extremely helpful and we now need to continue working with them to carry out a detailed archaeological excavation', he told the Independent.

Clifford has spent over a decade tracing the origins of the wreck. During The first voyage of Columbus in 1492, near Hispaniola, Columbus' flagship, the Santa María ran aground, and the waves smashed it to pieces.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: archeology; christophercolumbus; columbus; godsgravesglyphs; haiti; santamaria

1 posted on 05/12/2014 6:44:30 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 05/12/2014 6:44:44 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader

Expectation? I assume they meant “expedition”


3 posted on 05/12/2014 6:47:55 PM PDT by Blennos
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To: Fractal Trader

The New World was in a ship???


4 posted on 05/12/2014 6:49:26 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Fractal Trader

And how long will it take to find the missing Malaysian flight


5 posted on 05/12/2014 6:49:26 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Fractal Trader
This is a 58 foot sailboat


6 posted on 05/12/2014 6:51:22 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Fractal Trader

They found the remains of a boat over 500 years old. How did they do that? Recover the VIN number?


7 posted on 05/12/2014 6:51:37 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

And she’s a beauty!


8 posted on 05/12/2014 6:52:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Jack Hammer
The New World was in a ship???

And the ship was in a bottle. It's a small world after all.

9 posted on 05/12/2014 6:53:10 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Blennos

Man comes to the door. Little boy answers.

“Is your mother here.”

“No Ma ain’t here.”

“Ain’t? Where’s your grammar?”

“She’s in the kitchen washin’ dishes and Ma still ain’t here.”


10 posted on 05/12/2014 6:55:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: yldstrk

Well, they can immediately find one mad cow in a small village in Oregon, but can’t seem to find 30 million uninvited `guests’ so ....
The captain had a cabin boy,
The dirty little nipper:
He stuffed his ___ with broken glass
And circumsized the skipper.
aaaarrrrgggghhhhhowwwwwww


11 posted on 05/12/2014 6:56:18 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Fractal Trader

12 posted on 05/12/2014 6:57:30 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Fractal Trader

I hope they find it. Imagine if they found some biscuit. Or gold coins and a few jugs of wine. Madeira wine, perhaps.


13 posted on 05/12/2014 6:57:59 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Fractal Trader

Cool post Frac.


14 posted on 05/12/2014 7:05:40 PM PDT by Calusa (Were going to have that person arrested.....that did the video, said Hillary Clinton.)
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To: tumblindice

In other words, they don’t want to find it


15 posted on 05/12/2014 7:07:42 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Fractal Trader

Didn’t realize how small those boats were.


16 posted on 05/12/2014 7:09:57 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: P.O.E.

Excellent!


17 posted on 05/12/2014 7:13:12 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

Yep. 58 feet is small. Considering that a PT-boat is 80 feet.


18 posted on 05/12/2014 7:17:17 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Government by Gun Point.)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

The average tractor trailers we see every day are longer than that “ship”.


19 posted on 05/12/2014 7:45:49 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Fractal Trader

58 foot? Is that it? Wow, she was small.


20 posted on 05/12/2014 7:46:55 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

The main deck was 58 feet. The overall length was 98 feet. She had a crew of 39.


21 posted on 05/12/2014 8:01:00 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Don’t think that holds a crew of 90


22 posted on 05/12/2014 8:04:35 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Fractal Trader

The Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria.


23 posted on 05/12/2014 8:12:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Fractal Trader; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Thanks Fractal Trader.

24 posted on 05/12/2014 9:25:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Fractal Trader

Replica of the Santa Maria.

25 posted on 05/13/2014 12:46:49 AM PDT by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Tired of hearing the mantra that Columbus discovred the New World or America.

Asians and Vikings were here in North America long before him.


26 posted on 05/13/2014 3:19:47 AM PDT by octex
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To: octex

You forgot to mention the dinosaurs.


27 posted on 05/13/2014 4:08:05 AM PDT by BilLies (sharyl attkisson is alive and well HOORAY!!!!!)
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To: Blennos

Yeah, I think he meant “expedition”. And I also think he meant, in the next line, “believed” and not “belived”.

I guess it is too much to ask, these days, for so-called journalists to proofread.


28 posted on 05/13/2014 4:38:57 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Jack Hammer

:)


29 posted on 05/13/2014 4:39:42 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: octex

“Tired of hearing the mantra that Columbus discovred the New World or America.

Asians and Vikings were here in North America long before him.”

Well I disagree, I was here when they all came. Columbus was first; I awarded him a ceremonial flower arrangement.


30 posted on 05/13/2014 4:43:21 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Spain built three replica ships for the 500th anniversary of Columbus 1492 voyage. They claimed they used the same plans found in the Spanish archives and even built them from wood from the same forest.

I got a chance to go see them in Corpus Christi and like most people was amazed at their small size. You read it and just ignore it, but when you see the actual ship with the relatively tiny space below decks, it hits you about how adventuresome these sailors were and the hardships they faced.

There are now several locations which have replicas of Columbus’ ship(s), but the only ones in the US are still in Corpus Christi, I think.


31 posted on 05/13/2014 7:02:32 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Probably some kind of distinguishing feature of naval architecture. Any wreck from that era would be totally encrusted or deteriorated to the point where ID would be difficult. Still it has been done with many treasure galleons.


32 posted on 05/13/2014 8:18:53 AM PDT by Tallguy
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33 posted on 05/13/2014 8:19:39 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Tallguy; Focault's Pendulum
Probably some kind of distinguishing feature of naval architecture. Any wreck from that era would be totally encrusted or deteriorated to the point where ID would be difficult. Still it has been done with many treasure galleons.

Yep... Probably nothing but a ballast heap. But, a coin or two would identify her - It isn't like there were many ships on this side of the pond back in her day...

34 posted on 05/13/2014 10:28:05 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

There is a reproduction of one of Columbus’ ships on display in Columbus, OH. I believe it is the Santa Maria. You can go aboard and experience how small it actually is.

My daughter and grandkids took a day voyage on the reproduction sailing vessel in DE, the Kalmar Nyckel. The KN was a sailing ship brought to the colonies by Swedes who founded New Sweden near present day Philadelphia around 1640. My 11th great grandfather was one of them. He actually made the voyage twice, once upon the KN. Anyway, my daughter was shocked at how small the ship was. People had to take turns for beds. There was no place to sit. I cannot imagine embarking on that voyage twice — the second time with a wife. Life must have been pretty grim in Europe of the day for our ancestors to have risked everything to come here.


35 posted on 05/13/2014 10:47:57 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Life must have been pretty grim in Europe of the day for our ancestors to have risked everything to come here."

Yes, this was during the Thirty Years War. Sweden was a belligerent, but its territory was never invaded. Still, it was a bad time for much of Europe. Rural poverty was bad enough in peacetime, but that hard, brutal war just made it worse.

By the time of the Revolution, the average American was taller, healthier, better fed and more prosperous that the Average European and American women gave birth to more children. Yes, the voyage was worth it.

36 posted on 05/13/2014 4:16:12 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: afraidfortherepublic

People left farms for urban tenements and industrial jobs that worked them 10-16 hours a day. Life on a farm is that bad and the days are 24/7. We’re always moving from worse to better, if government lets us.


37 posted on 05/13/2014 6:13:35 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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Replicas of Columbus’ ships Pinta and Nina to arrive in Stuart

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2014/jan/30/columbus-ships-pinta-and-nina-to-land-in-stuart/

http://media.tcpalm.com/media/img/photos/2009/04/14/Q-15SNINA1-c-8377_t607.JPG

https://www.google.com/search?q=santa+clara+nina+replica&tbm=isch


38 posted on 06/14/2014 10:17:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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