Skip to comments.UKRAINE: The Kremlin knows most residents do not want Donbass joining Russia- Deputy of State Duma
Posted on 05/13/2014 6:12:50 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
GOOGLE TRANSLATION: According to an UNIAN correspondent in Russia, this at a press conference in Moscow, said the deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Ilya Ponomarev.
"There is a sociological monitoring, the monitoring of Sociology I saw in Moscow, which is at the disposal of the presidential administration. Also, I've seen numbers that are in Kiev - they are the same, differences in the level of nuance," - said Ponomarev.
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He said that surveys show that in March in Donetsk Oblast of Russia's accession to maintain 20-25%, and held various other Pro-- 20-25% for federalization, 30-35% for unitary Ukraine.
He said that after the events in Slavic support for accession to Russia began to fall, and by mid-April amounted to 15-17%, but after the events in Odessa and Mariupol, when people began to project over the situation: "The war is coming to our house "- the rate began to increase again.
"So, the only source of power is Donetsk Republic as a source of strength Donetsk republic is Russia in terms of public perception. People want this chaos is over and blood no more. Therefore the number of people who came to the referendum began to grow," - said Ponomariov.
He said that working people are clearly in favor of Ukraine.
"Much of the proletariat Donbass, is to join Russia, above all, that the miners" - he said.
According to Ponomarev, there is the official position of the Union of Donbass miners, which reflects the position of the working class.
"There is the official position of the Independent Trade Union of Donbass miners that the accession to. Because in the Rostov region in neighboring mines closed. Mines in the Donbas If working people will see it," - he said.
A lot happened since March to change the minds of the residents of the Donbas. The military wouldn’t kill unarmed civilians, so Kiev hired paramilitaries and equipped them with the military’s tanks. Kiev investigators even had to admit that the Maidan snipers were unconnected to Yanukovitch. Youtube became awash with clips of unarmed civilians being shot in cold blood by Kiev’s paramilitias. And while Kiev called voting “acts of terrorism”, those hired killers opened fire on lines of people waiting to vote.
But you want to know probably the single biggest factor? Read the Facebook posts of your Ukrainian buddies citing genetic defects inherent to their Russophone countrymen.
Proletariat is a word I scarcely expected to see in use again.
"The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision
of what is before them, glory and danger alike,
and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it."
True, they were Russians running a false flag.
That’s Kiev’s interpretation of the results, which is hardly surprising since the results would otherwise completely delegitimize their coup, but it’s a bit desperate considering that:
1. Some of the key evidence is that the shots came from buildings controlled by Euromaidan protesters.
2. Yanukovich may not have been a steady ally for the Russians, but it’s a bit of a reach that they’d set him up so that Soros/CIA-led supporters could take over the Ukraine so they’d have a pretext for an invasion which hasn’t happened. “Chess” aside, Putin is way too smart to bet so heavily on outcomes so deep into the fog of war; if he’s waiting for worse outrages to be committed on the part of Kiev to act, one really has to wonder why he expected so much worse than what is presently happening.
3. The CIA was present among the Euromaidan.
Don’t presume it indicated a socialist mindset. It’s part of the Russian language, now, a term borrowed from Imperial Rome, like “czar.” It could have been translated, “working class,” or “wage-earners.” “Working class” would be an inferior term, however, since the Donbass is largely industrial, while Novorussia is largely agricultural, and the speaker was obviously drawing a contrast.
Incidentally, the reason Russia more and more sees the proletariat as an industrial term is this: 58% of all agriculture is produced by families who own their farm and have no unrelated employees, where we rely more and more on illegal-alien migrant workers with no possessions. So which country is oppressive?
No a word borrowed from the Communist Manifesto.
"The lowest, or one among the lowest, economic and social classes in a society. In ancient Rome, the proletariat were poor landless freemen who, crowded out of the labour market by the extension of slavery, became parasites on the economy. Karl Marx used the term to refer to the class of wage earners engaged in industrial production only (the broader term working class included all those obliged to work for a living)."