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Merkel and Hollande Urge Kiev to Start Dialog with Ukraine's Regions Before [May 25th] Elections
NSNBC International ^ | 5/10/2014 | Christoff Lehmann

Posted on 05/13/2014 7:35:24 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande urged authorities in Kiev to begin a national dialogue with the rebellious regions in southeastern Ukraine before the presidential elections scheduled for May 25th.

The development reveals a growing rift between the US/UK "Atlantic Axis"...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: france; hollande; kiev; mariupol; mediabias; merkel; mistral; mistralhelicopters; obama; odessa; scandals; turchynov; ukraine
This reportedly has the WH fuming, just as Netanyahu recently had the WH fuming. This has gotten little media coverage, as Merkel and Holande WENT AROUND Obama on this.
1 posted on 05/13/2014 7:35:24 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All; tcrlaf; DesertRhino; McGruff; little jeremiah
First Netanyahu cozies up to Putin, now Merkel and Hollande go around Obama’s desired narrative.
2 posted on 05/13/2014 7:39:08 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Obama has rendered the US irrelevant.


3 posted on 05/13/2014 7:40:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Just like the last several budget impasses were resolved when Congress froze Obama out.


4 posted on 05/13/2014 7:40:02 AM PDT by AU72
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To: dfwgator
Now we see the real Merkel and Hollande, when they are not on stage with a gazillion microphones in front of them, or when they aren't standing side-by-side with Obama giving international “pressers”
5 posted on 05/13/2014 7:44:28 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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Merkel and Hollande also want an IMMEDIATE investigation into “the unlawful use of force, specifically in Odessa and Mariupol...”

Kiev will NOT want that.


6 posted on 05/13/2014 7:48:31 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“Now we see the real Merkel and Hollande”

France made their position VERY clear yesterday with the Mistral order announcement. France isn’t going to go along with anything that might harm their own, already fragile economy.

Putin has Germany by the short hairs, because the Greens have wrecked Germany’s own energy resource capabilities.

Both likely see Obama as the rest of the world does, as a LIAR, incompetent, and unreliable.


7 posted on 05/13/2014 7:49:22 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The intervention by Merkel and Hollande suggest a growing rift between the US/UK “Atlantic Axis” and continental Europe and European resistance against the US/UK engineering of a crisis in Ukraine for geopolitical reasons.

A welcome signal from Europe

8 posted on 05/13/2014 7:53:12 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: dfwgator

“Obama has rendered the US irrelevant.”

The coup government in Kiev has not been the least bit interested in negotiating with the rebels, and that is likely being driven by Washington. It only took a couple of hours before Kiev said they wouldn’t honor John Kerry’s much-lauded Geneva Accords.

But, the US Mainstream Media never mentioned that, they just praised John Fraud’s diplomatic “BRILLIANCE!!!”.

Remember, Community Organizers don’t negotiate, they intimidate and bully to get their way.

After last week’s Obama/Merkel meeting, you could tell Merkel thinks Obama is off his rocker. Or at least, not going to be of any help in stopping this before it explodes into something that could harm Germany.

Now France and Germany are moving on their own to try and resolve this. Will anyone in the Obama-worshipping media notice? Or might doing that cost someone their job?


9 posted on 05/13/2014 7:59:01 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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John Francois will jet over to Europe now to see how he can screw this up.


10 posted on 05/13/2014 8:01:03 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Actually, this is what the WH wants. They actually want Ukraine gobbled up by Russia. But Obama can’t run around saying that because it would make him look bad.

The US Dept of State, which is continuing Hillary’s policies and programs, don’t.


11 posted on 05/13/2014 8:03:06 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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I realize that some of you Puti poot worshipers are looking for something positive to come out of this...but it is not really happening.

These are nuanced diplomatic concessions that basically mean nothing.

Putin alleges his army is not on the border and these can be about as reliable as those assertions. Ok, now we have implored the Ukrainians to talk with the subversives in the govt. buildings.

The bottom line is that 1)Russia’s stooge is in hiding in Russia 2) Nobody is recognizing the sham “referendum” by the insurgents 3) Not even Russia 4) The warning for sanctions is still on if the elections are interfered with.


12 posted on 05/13/2014 8:16:26 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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13 posted on 05/13/2014 8:16:53 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: tcrlaf

I’ve seen on Euronews that further Russian sanction would cost EU estimated 1 thrillion euro in a few years. Over 200 billion for Germany alone.


14 posted on 05/13/2014 8:23:26 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: rbmillerjr

So, you support the subversives who took over the national government not negotiating with the subversives who took over the regional governments??


15 posted on 05/13/2014 8:23:36 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

The Russian stooge fled to Russia, the parliament offically ousted him. You can repeat the Russian propaganda line all you want, it’s a false narrative.

Ukraine should negotiate with the subversives in the buildings. Conditionally based on them coming out of the buildings as the agreement stated, that Russia agreed to.


16 posted on 05/13/2014 8:32:47 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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We at FR realize that you RINO interventionism-worshippers cannot seem to take a hands-off approach and just stay out of some things. A recent poll WSJ/NBC News poll found that around 80% plus are tired of the ongoing interventionism.

No one cares for thug Putin, or incompetent Obama.

In reality, most in France and Germany don't recognize the coup in Kiev, and I imagine that perhaps the WH may not totally, either.

Remember, when Morsi was overthrown, the WH said that it was their position to not accept coups. How then can they then turn around and recognize the recent coup in Kiev?

People know this, the WH knows this, and so do most people in France and Germany.

17 posted on 05/13/2014 8:33:00 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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Given all of the articles back in January to April from all sides (left, right, center, libertarian) that showed just how many undesirables were involved in the overthrow, we all know that the coup in Egypt was not recognized by the WH, and perhaps, deep down, truth be told, the WH does not recognize the coup in Kiev. Obama has never been one way here, another way there. /s

How could they say that they would not recognize the coup in Egypt right after Morsi was overthrown (despite knowing how badly the Muslim Brotherhood was treating the Egyptian people) and then recognize this one?

Perhaps Thunder90 in post #11 is right? Nah...

18 posted on 05/13/2014 8:39:43 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: rbmillerjr

Tis crap again??
So the coup that wasn’t a coup was a not-a-coup coup?

That’s kinda koo-koo.....


19 posted on 05/13/2014 8:52:14 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Thunder90

That little fantasy — based on the pretext that Putin has systematically deconstructing statism in every address he’s given his own country for the last fifteen years is a clever ruse to hide the fact that he wants to bring back the Soviet Union — should finally be laid to rest by the fact that Biden has gotten his own son inserted as a director of the Ukrainian gas company.


20 posted on 05/13/2014 9:04:10 AM PDT by dangus
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To: tcrlaf

Sucks to be you with all of your Russian propaganda falling flat on its face.

Russia’s stooge is back in Russia.
The insurgents are bottled up in their own traps, unable to vote in the elections, and Putin is out of options except for invasion.

Russian propaganda of Putin being the chess master is being put to bed.


21 posted on 05/13/2014 9:05:23 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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You aren’t paying attention to current events, are you....


22 posted on 05/13/2014 9:07:08 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: rbmillerjr

I love how idiots believe that a parlaiment of public officials surrounded by gunmen will publicly vote free of intimidation, but that the Crimea election was invalid because there were Russian troops present.

Here’s a little history: In 1991, Crimea voted to join Ukraine in departing Russia on the pretext that it would be wholly autonomous. In 1992, Ukraine unilaterally suspended that autonomy. In 1996, Crimea voted 86%-13% to be citizens of Russia. The Ukrainian president nullified the results, ousted the Crimean president, suspended the Crimean legislature and declared autocratic rule over Crimea.


23 posted on 05/13/2014 9:09:17 AM PDT by dangus
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LOL, you may want to note that Russian troops are foreign troops.

But it is nice to see that you respect the Russian troop history of putting down the Hungarian and Czech revolts to throw off the bar of Russian oppression.

And their history of free loving presence in EGermany, Poland and other nations.

Why...their reputation precedes them.


24 posted on 05/13/2014 9:28:46 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

25 posted on 05/13/2014 9:52:39 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: rbmillerjr

It’s just so wierd to me to read so much belief in racial guilt on FR.


26 posted on 05/13/2014 10:14:23 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Realpolitik, 2014?


27 posted on 05/13/2014 3:23:08 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: tcrlaf

Both seem to be modern day Chamberlains.


28 posted on 05/14/2014 10:01:53 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: tcrlaf
The people decided to depose their pro-Russian crony, yes. Meanwhile it is Russia who has inserted special forces into the Ukraine.
29 posted on 05/14/2014 10:03:36 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: rbmillerjr

The Putin lovers can’t help themselves.


30 posted on 05/14/2014 10:05:26 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Interesting that this appears to be the same time Senator Cruz is going to Ukraine to see things for himself as he stated......if I'm correct....though not traveling with them of course.

Merkle and Holland ‘definitely’ show the split in the EU/US relationship over Ukraine. Even those of the Atlantic Council make public statements that the EU/Nato is also cat fighting over Ukraine.

The older cold war horses continue to push the EU/NATO push for Moldova, Georgia and others surrounding the Sea....while those who understand the situation through the times as they are today have to battle these war horses to arrive even at getting any diplomacy worthwhile to act on.

There's a true “generation gap” going on as well. But these next elections for EU Parliament, and nation leaders, very soon, may just bring in a bunch with far better level heads....though the push for Global Governance will not be stopped.

31 posted on 05/14/2014 10:37:45 AM PDT by caww
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There are negotiations going on inside EUkraine right now.

Guess who refuses to participate?

The subversives holed up illegally in government buildings. They have a few days left to surrender their weapons and come out to vote.

They would fit right in, in Russia. They prefer fake voting but don’t wish to actually vote.

Losing credibility by the day and Russia seems to have forgotten their cause.


32 posted on 05/14/2014 10:55:23 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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....”Guess who refuses to participate?”....

you got it wrong again....they were not invited to this meeting for in doing so it would politically acknowledge the recent referendum and they won't do that.

Putin knew these meetings were planned, unfortunately the people on the ground didn't listen when he said to delay the referendum...so they aren't invited for obvious political reasons.

Further the battle in the East will intensify because of the military/industrial park there...and that isn't small change....without it Kiev has nothing the EU wants now that Crimea and the oil is in Russia's hands. And Putin isn't going to let go of those facilities without a fight.

Sheesh..get with the program will ya!

33 posted on 05/14/2014 11:29:55 AM PDT by caww
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RINOs have trouble when it comes to “getting with the program.” Too busy calling for unending interventionism in every inch of the planet...


34 posted on 05/15/2014 8:39:10 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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