Skip to comments.Merkel and Hollande Urge Kiev to Start Dialog with Ukraine's Regions Before [May 25th] Elections
Posted on 05/13/2014 7:35:24 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande urged authorities in Kiev to begin a national dialogue with the rebellious regions in southeastern Ukraine before the presidential elections scheduled for May 25th.
The development reveals a growing rift between the US/UK "Atlantic Axis"...
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Obama has rendered the US irrelevant.
Just like the last several budget impasses were resolved when Congress froze Obama out.
Merkel and Hollande also want an IMMEDIATE investigation into “the unlawful use of force, specifically in Odessa and Mariupol...”
Kiev will NOT want that.
“Now we see the real Merkel and Hollande”
France made their position VERY clear yesterday with the Mistral order announcement. France isn’t going to go along with anything that might harm their own, already fragile economy.
Putin has Germany by the short hairs, because the Greens have wrecked Germany’s own energy resource capabilities.
Both likely see Obama as the rest of the world does, as a LIAR, incompetent, and unreliable.
A welcome signal from Europe
“Obama has rendered the US irrelevant.”
The coup government in Kiev has not been the least bit interested in negotiating with the rebels, and that is likely being driven by Washington. It only took a couple of hours before Kiev said they wouldn’t honor John Kerry’s much-lauded Geneva Accords.
But, the US Mainstream Media never mentioned that, they just praised John Fraud’s diplomatic “BRILLIANCE!!!”.
Remember, Community Organizers don’t negotiate, they intimidate and bully to get their way.
After last week’s Obama/Merkel meeting, you could tell Merkel thinks Obama is off his rocker. Or at least, not going to be of any help in stopping this before it explodes into something that could harm Germany.
Now France and Germany are moving on their own to try and resolve this. Will anyone in the Obama-worshipping media notice? Or might doing that cost someone their job?
John Francois will jet over to Europe now to see how he can screw this up.
Actually, this is what the WH wants. They actually want Ukraine gobbled up by Russia. But Obama can’t run around saying that because it would make him look bad.
The US Dept of State, which is continuing Hillary’s policies and programs, don’t.
I realize that some of you Puti poot worshipers are looking for something positive to come out of this...but it is not really happening.
These are nuanced diplomatic concessions that basically mean nothing.
Putin alleges his army is not on the border and these can be about as reliable as those assertions. Ok, now we have implored the Ukrainians to talk with the subversives in the govt. buildings.
The bottom line is that 1)Russia’s stooge is in hiding in Russia 2) Nobody is recognizing the sham “referendum” by the insurgents 3) Not even Russia 4) The warning for sanctions is still on if the elections are interfered with.
"The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision
of what is before them, glory and danger alike,
and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it."
I’ve seen on Euronews that further Russian sanction would cost EU estimated 1 thrillion euro in a few years. Over 200 billion for Germany alone.
So, you support the subversives who took over the national government not negotiating with the subversives who took over the regional governments??
The Russian stooge fled to Russia, the parliament offically ousted him. You can repeat the Russian propaganda line all you want, it’s a false narrative.
Ukraine should negotiate with the subversives in the buildings. Conditionally based on them coming out of the buildings as the agreement stated, that Russia agreed to.
No one cares for thug Putin, or incompetent Obama.
In reality, most in France and Germany don't recognize the coup in Kiev, and I imagine that perhaps the WH may not totally, either.
Remember, when Morsi was overthrown, the WH said that it was their position to not accept coups. How then can they then turn around and recognize the recent coup in Kiev?
People know this, the WH knows this, and so do most people in France and Germany.
How could they say that they would not recognize the coup in Egypt right after Morsi was overthrown (despite knowing how badly the Muslim Brotherhood was treating the Egyptian people) and then recognize this one?
Perhaps Thunder90 in post #11 is right? Nah...
Tis crap again??
So the coup that wasn’t a coup was a not-a-coup coup?
That’s kinda koo-koo.....
That little fantasy — based on the pretext that Putin has systematically deconstructing statism in every address he’s given his own country for the last fifteen years is a clever ruse to hide the fact that he wants to bring back the Soviet Union — should finally be laid to rest by the fact that Biden has gotten his own son inserted as a director of the Ukrainian gas company.
Sucks to be you with all of your Russian propaganda falling flat on its face.
Russia’s stooge is back in Russia.
The insurgents are bottled up in their own traps, unable to vote in the elections, and Putin is out of options except for invasion.
Russian propaganda of Putin being the chess master is being put to bed.
You aren’t paying attention to current events, are you....
I love how idiots believe that a parlaiment of public officials surrounded by gunmen will publicly vote free of intimidation, but that the Crimea election was invalid because there were Russian troops present.
Here’s a little history: In 1991, Crimea voted to join Ukraine in departing Russia on the pretext that it would be wholly autonomous. In 1992, Ukraine unilaterally suspended that autonomy. In 1996, Crimea voted 86%-13% to be citizens of Russia. The Ukrainian president nullified the results, ousted the Crimean president, suspended the Crimean legislature and declared autocratic rule over Crimea.
LOL, you may want to note that Russian troops are foreign troops.
But it is nice to see that you respect the Russian troop history of putting down the Hungarian and Czech revolts to throw off the bar of Russian oppression.
And their history of free loving presence in EGermany, Poland and other nations.
Why...their reputation precedes them.
It’s just so wierd to me to read so much belief in racial guilt on FR.
Both seem to be modern day Chamberlains.
The Putin lovers can’t help themselves.
Merkle and Holland ‘definitely’ show the split in the EU/US relationship over Ukraine. Even those of the Atlantic Council make public statements that the EU/Nato is also cat fighting over Ukraine.
The older cold war horses continue to push the EU/NATO push for Moldova, Georgia and others surrounding the Sea....while those who understand the situation through the times as they are today have to battle these war horses to arrive even at getting any diplomacy worthwhile to act on.
There's a true “generation gap” going on as well. But these next elections for EU Parliament, and nation leaders, very soon, may just bring in a bunch with far better level heads....though the push for Global Governance will not be stopped.
There are negotiations going on inside EUkraine right now.
Guess who refuses to participate?
The subversives holed up illegally in government buildings. They have a few days left to surrender their weapons and come out to vote.
They would fit right in, in Russia. They prefer fake voting but don’t wish to actually vote.
Losing credibility by the day and Russia seems to have forgotten their cause.
you got it wrong again....they were not invited to this meeting for in doing so it would politically acknowledge the recent referendum and they won't do that.
Putin knew these meetings were planned, unfortunately the people on the ground didn't listen when he said to delay the referendum...so they aren't invited for obvious political reasons.
Further the battle in the East will intensify because of the military/industrial park there...and that isn't small change....without it Kiev has nothing the EU wants now that Crimea and the oil is in Russia's hands. And Putin isn't going to let go of those facilities without a fight.
Sheesh..get with the program will ya!
RINOs have trouble when it comes to “getting with the program.” Too busy calling for unending interventionism in every inch of the planet...