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Pope Francis Says He Would Definitely Baptize Aliens If They Asked Him To
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Posted on 05/13/2014 9:35:11 AM PDT by marthemaria

Pope Francis would absolutely baptize an alien from Mars, if one showed up at the Vatican and asked for it. During his weekly homily on Monday, Franics said that aliens — which he imagines could be "Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them" — should be baptized just like anyone else who asks for it, because it's not up to any human to decide who should receive the Holy Spirit.

In other words: if God prompts some Martians to come to Earth, find the Pope, and say "we want in on this Catholicism thing." The pope would probably say "OK. cool." But probably in Latin.

Francis laid out the hypothetical situation as part of a discussion of the early Church's baptizing of Gentiles. Basically, the earliest Church contained some tension over whether there was any difference between the very early Jewish followers of Christ, and Gentiles who converted from paganism to Christianity, who would be considered "unclean" by the standards of Jewish law. Peter eventually persuades his followers that everyone is open to becoming Christian by saying, "If then God gave them the same gift He gave to us when we came to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to be able to hinder God?"

So here's how Francis tried to illustrate that point on Monday, with a much more modern example:

That was unthinkable. If – for example - tomorrow an expedition of Martians came, and some of them came to us, here... Martians, right? Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them... And one says, 'But I want to be baptized!' What would happen?"

What would happen? They'd get baptized, that's what would happen. He goes on:

"When the Lord shows us the way, who are we to say, 'No, Lord, it is not prudent! No, lets do it this way'... Who are we to close doors? In the early Church, even today, there is the ministry of the ostiary [usher]. And what did the ostiary do? He opened the door, received the people, allowed them to pass. But it was never the ministry of the closed door, never."

The Vatican's astronomer — the same one who dismissed 'Intelligent Design' as 'bad theology' — said in 2010 that he'd baptize an alien because "any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul." But, again, only if they request it. So glad that's settled. Now all we have to do is wait.


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KEYWORDS: baptisingaliens; baptism; catholicism; mars; martians; missions; pope; popefrancis
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1 posted on 05/13/2014 9:35:11 AM PDT by marthemaria
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To: marthemaria

I don’t see that happening.


2 posted on 05/13/2014 9:36:19 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'I never said that you can keep your doctor . Republicans lie about me ')
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To: marthemaria

Rod Serling: Call your office.


3 posted on 05/13/2014 9:37:58 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't give up! The liberals are buggering and aborting themselves into extinction.)
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To: marthemaria

This is SO important.

Actually, as there is no extraterrestrial life in our solar system, and other solar systems are too far away for any practicable travel, the questions is moot.


4 posted on 05/13/2014 9:38:39 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: sickoflibs

Nor I.

But if there were to be aliens, God is God in their world as well.


5 posted on 05/13/2014 9:39:11 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: marthemaria

oy vey!


6 posted on 05/13/2014 9:39:13 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: marthemaria

So the Vatican knows something? Or will they be a part of the delusion of 2 Thessalonians 2:11?


7 posted on 05/13/2014 9:39:21 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: marthemaria

Someone tell the Pope to read Genesis chapter 6.


8 posted on 05/13/2014 9:39:59 AM PDT by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!)
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To: ifinnegan
RE :”But if there were to be aliens, God is God in their world as well’

????

What about goats? Baptize them too?

9 posted on 05/13/2014 9:40:25 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'I never said that you can keep your doctor . Republicans lie about me ')
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To: marthemaria

all of the crucial issues raging around the planet and the Church, and THIS is what the press chooses to ask him about?


10 posted on 05/13/2014 9:40:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Indeed!


11 posted on 05/13/2014 9:40:38 AM PDT by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!)
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To: marthemaria

Hope he doesn’t start talking about boarding Comet Hale–Bopp.


12 posted on 05/13/2014 9:41:23 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: ifinnegan

Shouldn’t the Pope find out if these prospective aliens have a spirit? I mean, they may be technologically advanced and yet have no spirit in their soul of life and operate on a completely utilitarian basis. Baptizing such beings would insult the very reason Jesus was crucified and rose from the tomb! Might as well baptize dogs and cats and ... oh wait!


13 posted on 05/13/2014 9:41:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: marthemaria

Is The Vatican Hiding Aliens?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3142186/posts


14 posted on 05/13/2014 9:42:15 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Buckeye McFrog
THIS is what the press chooses to ask him about?

That's becasue the press is worries about how they're going to get back to their mother ship.

15 posted on 05/13/2014 9:43:01 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: marthemaria

What if they are all popes already?


16 posted on 05/13/2014 9:44:16 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: sickoflibs

Well, goats don’t speak. But if we want to follow the Pope’s argument I guess he’d have to baptize Mr. Ed if he asked to be baptized.


17 posted on 05/13/2014 9:44:16 AM PDT by DManA
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To: marthemaria

By the way, lots of comments here on a previous thread (different title).

Pope says baptism is for everyone, even Martians

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3155248/posts


18 posted on 05/13/2014 9:44:32 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: MHGinTN
(1) Any being capable of recognizing a need for salvation and who would humbly ask for baptism would, by definition, have a soul.

(2) The Church does not baptize "dogs and cats" - but it does bless them, just as it blesses homes and churches.

19 posted on 05/13/2014 9:46:03 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: sickoflibs

Pretty soon this Jesuit will be twerking with Molly Syrus


20 posted on 05/13/2014 9:47:19 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: marthemaria
The X-Files pope.
21 posted on 05/13/2014 9:48:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: sickoflibs; MHGinTN

You both have answered in a similar manner and in a way I think Is not relevant to the premise.

Obviously we’d be talking about human type beings created in God’s image.

The premise is they asked to be baptized.

I don’t think a goat would be asking that.


22 posted on 05/13/2014 9:48:54 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: sickoflibs

Neither do I…and honestly I doubt the Pope sees it happening either. Remember that just as with previous popes and Christ himself, the doubters and evildoers are always looking for ways to “trip him up” when it comes to matters of Catholic doctrine. The church teaches it will not deny baptism to anyone who seeks it, even I suppose including little green men from mars….should they desire it.


23 posted on 05/13/2014 9:49:19 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: wideawake

Does that mean that those people that do not recognize a need for salvation and humbly ask for baptism, do not have souls?


24 posted on 05/13/2014 9:52:43 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: DManA; Para-Ord.45; ifinnegan; MHGinTN; longfellowsmuse

Yep, this is pretty dumb talk,

I suspect this has to do with immigrants and illegal immigrants and race and not about aliens from space.

Next he will be saying that he would tell us to put poor space aliens on welfare and food stamps.


25 posted on 05/13/2014 9:53:12 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'I never said that you can keep your doctor . Republicans lie about me ')
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To: marthemaria

Calling occupants of interplanetary craft.


26 posted on 05/13/2014 9:53:25 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (I am proud of what America USED TO BE.)
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To: ifinnegan

Well, if Coco the language using Gorilla asked, should she be baptized too, by The Pope?


27 posted on 05/13/2014 9:54:02 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: ifinnegan

What about a talking ass?


28 posted on 05/13/2014 9:54:37 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: redhawk.44mag
Does that mean that those people that do not recognize a need for salvation and humbly ask for baptism, do not have souls?

Not at all.

All sergeants are soldiers, but not all soldiers are sergeants.

29 posted on 05/13/2014 9:55:31 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: marthemaria

Is this some sort of joke? Christ was both fully man and fully God. Man = human. And he died for humans.

Now, I suppose if martians were human beings like us, we could treat them sort of like “found” humans as we discovered them in the americas many centuries ago. But the hypothetical is absurd on the face of it. Jesus is about earth, regarding salvation. And baptism is about salvation.


30 posted on 05/13/2014 9:56:20 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: DManA; Para-Ord.45; ifinnegan; MHGinTN; longfellowsmuse

According to above he calls space aliens ‘green humans’,.

Definitely about race and immigration.

Also reminds me of two Lost in Space episodes about that green alien gal following Dr Smith around causing him trouble,

in the first one (in black and white) she ate up all their fuel.


31 posted on 05/13/2014 9:56:45 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'I never said that you can keep your doctor . Republicans lie about me ')
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To: ifinnegan

But if there were to be aliens, God is God in their world as well.


Yes, but Jesus is not their savior. Actually, a children’s book, A Wrinkle in Time discusses this concept.


32 posted on 05/13/2014 9:57:17 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: marthemaria
any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul.

A truly bizarre statement. Do they baptize dogs now?

33 posted on 05/13/2014 9:57:30 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

At least they didn’t ask “boxers or briefs?”


34 posted on 05/13/2014 9:57:59 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: wideawake

Don’t know how that relates, but it sounds good. thanx


35 posted on 05/13/2014 9:58:14 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: sickoflibs

The conflation of soul and spirit serves to keep the confusion alive. The soul is not the same as the spirit. It is the spirit which gives spiritual discernment to the behavior mechanism, the soul. If the devil asks for baptism, THEN I could see a controversy. But to move the goalposts the way this absurd question does, well, it makes a mockery of The Grace of God in Christ. If there is no spirit int he soul of aliens, ought we pray that God breathe into them also a spirit of life for the biologically alive soul?


36 posted on 05/13/2014 9:58:14 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: cuban leaf

A childrens’ book, is how you back that up?


37 posted on 05/13/2014 10:00:01 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: marthemaria

The Big Question! - Obviously these aliens are very rich to afford interstellar travel. Would the Pope call on the Aliens to redistribute wealth to the poor earthlings?


38 posted on 05/13/2014 10:00:22 AM PDT by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: ifinnegan

Obviously we’d be talking about human type beings created in God’s image.


Remove the word “type” and I’d come a bit closer to that. However, I’m not sure, but I believe the whole salvation message ends where the earth ends. It is for humans on earth. Descendents of Adam and Eve. Anything else would be scope creep.


39 posted on 05/13/2014 10:00:41 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: marthemaria

Heck, I would baptize an alien if he asked me to!


40 posted on 05/13/2014 10:03:15 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: redhawk.44mag

A childrens’ book, is how you back that up?


Not at all. But it explains the concept easily. The bible covers it thusly: Through one man (Adam) sin entered the earth and through one man (Jesus) we may be saved.

This has no application to someone not of this earth.


41 posted on 05/13/2014 10:03:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: marthemaria

Does Francis speak Martian?


42 posted on 05/13/2014 10:04:46 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: cuban leaf

Doesn’t that part of the bible just cover earth?


43 posted on 05/13/2014 10:05:05 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: marthemaria

I think we should call Benedict XVI back from retirement.


44 posted on 05/13/2014 10:07:29 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: docbnj

Don’t speak with such certainty about things like that. It sounds too much like the government officials who wanted to shut down the Patent Office after the Steam Engine was invented, since they thought everything that could be invented already was.

What we DON’T know about space travel is probably enormous compared to what we do know.

And the math for gravitational travel (instantaneous point to point) does exist. Wormholes are more than a theoretical construct.

We just don’t know how to make and control them yet

[But I am biased- I believe Bob Lazaar’s story about the gravitational drives on the alien spacecraft he worked on at Groom Lake (Area 51)]


45 posted on 05/13/2014 10:07:43 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: marthemaria
"Pope Francis would absolutely baptize an alien from Mars, if one showed up at the Vatican and asked for it."

Well, he is, after all, infallible....

46 posted on 05/13/2014 10:08:28 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: marthemaria

I wish they’d stop repeating parts of his daily homily as something important. It is, but no more than any other priest’s homilies.


47 posted on 05/13/2014 10:08:55 AM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: sickoflibs

I would not automatically assume that the Pope’s words have a political agenda regarding this silly line of questioning. Remember his words are translated into English by journalists…

Also, everyone on planet Earth can be baptized into the Catholic church regardless of race or country…I assume that you are not insinuating that people of certain races shouldn’t be baptized.


48 posted on 05/13/2014 10:10:36 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: marthemaria

I am in disagreement with Pope Francis’ Socialism, but on other issues, he has a bit of real world about him.


49 posted on 05/13/2014 10:12:26 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: marthemaria
Without diocese records of the parents' baptisms? No baptism classes for the parents? No declaration of Godparents? The parents' "standing" in the parish?

Everything is easier for aliens than for my own kids.

50 posted on 05/13/2014 10:12:42 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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