Skip to comments.Orlando MERS patient still has fever
Posted on 05/13/2014 12:13:33 PM PDT by Kartographer
Dr. Antonio Crespo says two hospital workers were showing flu-like symptoms after coming into contact with the 44-year-old man. One was cleared, but the other was admitted to the hospital.
About 15 other workers, including two physicians, at Dr. Phillips Hospital, as well as five workers at Orlando Regional Medical Center where the Saudi resident also visited, have been asked to stay home from work for two weeks until they are cleared of having the virus.
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Two of the hospital staff are showing signs of contracting MERS from this guy. However I’ve heard of no efforts to find and check his fellow airplane passengers. No sense in closing the barn door now.
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Not good, at all :(
What’s their saying? Shelter in place?
I posted the story yesterday an I am many others were call for the need of a quarantine. You should have read the FReepers complaining about the loss of income and business as well as the cost of a quarantine. Life is cheap even to some FReepers!
They wait much longer I would stock up on baby wipes and the softest toilet tissue you can buy so it will be nice and clean and fresh when you kiss it goodbye!
So they’ve been asked to stay home from work. Have they been quarantined? Or can they stay home from work and go to their children’s school, the grocery store, the movie theater — vacation time to infect their own family members who go to school and the movies and buy groceries.
Travel to and from Saudi Arabia should be suspended. People from that area should be quarantined until it is certain they don’t have the disease. Ever since AIDS discovery there has been this turn away from practices that might possibly stigmatize and inconvenience the infected. Both healthcare workers and the general public are on their own.
"And I just can't hide it!"
As I posted when many of us called for such a quarantine yesterday, you should have read the FReepers complaining about the loss of income and business as well as the cost of a quarantine. Life is cheap even to some FReepers!
All I can say for those who think quarantine is too high a price, imagine the price your company could pay if an employee comes back and infects and kills an infant. If the parents of that child can trace the infection back to your employee, the price of quarantine will look like petty cash compared to what you could lose in lawyers’ fees, lawsuit claims, reputation and time.
Then, I realize some people don’t bother to think about that.
Something seems very fishy about this.
From a link on the above article, look at his around-about flight through 4 major airports, as well as reporting to another hospital BEFORE asking for treatment a week after his first symptoms. AND he conveniently had an antibiotic with him from Saudi Arabia. Was he trying to spread it as much as possible????
“The man left Saudi Arabia on April 30 and flew to London, then had connections in Boston and Atlanta before landing at the Orlando International Airport on May 1 to visit family.
Dr. Antonio Crespo, an infectious disease specialist who is treating the man, said the the patient started feeling ill when he landed in London, describing his symptoms as muscle aches.
Crespo said the man took flu medicine and an antibiotic he brought from Saudi Arabia until May 8, when he went to Dr. Phillips Hospital.
Anyone know what other countries are doing with sickly (or not) Saudi passengers? Just curious if other countries have suspended incoming flights, or anything else, to deal with this.
I thought it was hard to get?
Theres really no liability in that. Do you see any lawsuits today for people passing the flu around.
Some yesterday were also saying you had to get it from a camel, that it wasn't passing person to person.
When I posted it was in the Philippines, someone posted asking how it got there as the Philippines doesn't have any camels. Sometimes, Kart, you can't win.
I think it was back when SARS was here that all planes from overseas were checking passengers for fever and any who had fever were quarantined in a medical facility until they could be checked out. That may have been something other than SARS, but I think it was SARS when that happened. At any rate, those checks have been made in the past.
My husband and I were on a plane from Hong Kong to Tokyo to get back to the US. We were in one of the three seat sections where windows are. The man sitting by the window began to have difficulty breathing. There was a doctor on the plane and we put the sick guy in the aisle seat with my husband next to him and he held the oxygen mask on this man until we got to Tokyo. The doctor said he didn't know what was wrong with this man but it could be a heart attack.
Serious flues, like H1N1, come from mainland China and Hong Kong. If that man had any of those, I feel sure we would have caught it. When we landed in Tokyo, everyone had to remain seated and Japanese medical people came on board and got the man out. That man was in the same group we were visiting Hong Kong. He was not working for that company, but was a guest an employee brought with him.
Since he was part of the group, we learned later he had gotten sick in Hong Kong, don't know what the illness was, went to a doctor and was having a reaction to the medicine he took from the doctor. At the time, he did not seem to be sick with flu, didn't have fever, no coughing, sneezing, just trouble breathing.
We were lucky that time. When you take a seat on a plane, you don't know what will be sitting next to you.
What’s the death of a few people compared to the bottom line? Times are hard. (sarc)
Yes knowingly letting a sick person off a plane from a outbreak country could be an opening.
That wasn’t my point but thanks for the vote of confidence.
You can’t be sued if your employee makes someone else sick in most cases. Unless your employee knew he had MERS and you knew he had MERS and assigned him to a task likely to cause others to catch it. The medical community will say it is unlikely to spread without close physical contact (or drinking camel urine) but these two cases seem to challenge that theory.
Companies in the world trade center make the same call before 9/11 and some companies ceased to exist.
Flu kills thousands of people every year. How many lawsuits do you see from it?
Relax. Not only is MERS readily treated with supportive care, but as a rule, emerging pathogens rapidly diminish in virulence as they are transmitted from one patient to another and get further away from their natural reservoirs. MERS seems to be following that course, and like SARS, it will almost certainly soon be of minimal concern except to specialists.
So a a plane coming from Saudi has a sick passenger. He gets off the plane and no one notifies TSA or CDC that they had a sick passenger on board?
And employee calls the office he’s in Saudi and is ill and has decide to come home early from his business trip and all the company does is say OK?
If it does, but what if it follows the course of say of the Spanish Flu and even say it only infects 1% of the population what happens to the healthcare system when 1% of 320 million people become ill?
Oh yes don’t forget they said it wasn’t easily transmitted either.
You sure about that?
BARCELONA, Spain A team from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) just back from Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, reports that there appears to be no change in either the virulence of Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) or its transmissibility.
24th European Congress of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases (ECCMID). Presented May 11, 2014.
Advances in vaccines and antiviral drugs offer the prospect of more effective control of viruses in the future. Recombinant DNA technologies will lead to new vaccines and even the ability to develop a vaccine for mass immunization during a pandemic.
Its nice to be sure, but I am dubious on anyone, who’s outlook depends on ‘luck’.
As I pointed out if it just becomes infectious enough to spread to 1% of our population do you really think that they can come up with enough vaccine and enought healthcare support in such a short period of time to even put a dent in what would happen?
MERS, which, like SARS is a corona virus, seems to have a similar limited person to person transmissibility. Given that camels seem to be a natural reservoir for the MERS virus, the disease is unlikely to be much of a menace outside of the Mideast.
See my comment at post #34.
The viral threat that haunts the experts is influenza, a proven mass killer that remains much with us and has a distressing capacity for rapid mutation. MERS is almost certain to be a passing novelty.
That is good news because it indicates that the virus has not changed its nature. As the article explained, the recent spike in the number of MERS in the past 3 weeks was due to a seasonal increase in primary cases and to secondary cases caused by in-hospital transmission. The Saudis need to improve the adherence of their medical personnel to infection control protocols.
3rd case, from exposure to the second case. Sure seems to transmit easily.
Seems that way to me as well.
I sometimes wonder how many Government ‘disinformation’ agents peruse FR?
And just how many people have those airplane passengers been around in the past 12 days, huh? Notice the Health Dept. didn't want to risk their employees so sent a letter which may or may not be delivered and may or may not be opened but hey, like cops, the gov workers all went home safe that night.
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