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Russia Will Cut Off US Access to the International Space Station Over Ukraine Sanctions
The Verge ^ | May 13, 2014 | Adriana Jeffries

Posted on 05/13/2014 2:39:47 PM PDT by lbryce

Russia will reject a US request to use the International Space Station after 2020 in retaliation for trade sanctions imposed over Russia's aggressive annexation of Crimea, its deputy prime minister announced today.

The space station is maintained by both American and Russian crews. But because NASA's shuttle program was decommissioned in 2011, the only way to get there is on board Russian spacecraft. The US currently pays Russia $60 million per person to ferry its astronauts to the space station, and had planned to continue working on it until 2024.

"The Russian segment can exist independently from the American one. The US one cannot," Russian deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin said today.

THE US PAYS RUSSIA $60 MILLION PER ASTRONAUT TO GET TO THE ISS

The move comes after NASA announced it was cutting off contact with Russia because of the Ukraine crisis, with the exception of the space station. At the time, critics said the move was a ploy by NASA to get more funding from the US government. Russia's announcement, however, seems genuinely motivated by the Ukraine fallout.

Russia will also bar the US from buying Russian rocket engines that would be used to launch military satellites, Rogozin said.

(Excerpt) Read more at theverge.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: nasa; rd180; russia; sanctions; spaceexploration; spacestation
It was said, we had the shuttle to go to the space station and we had the space station for the shuttle to have somewhere to go. As long as Pan Am would ferry passengers, scientists, astronauts to the space station as gateway to the moon, and on to the lunar colonies the space station served a vital US interest. But now, when we finally did get to realize none of that was ever true, that the shuttle going to the space station was as far as anyone would ever go, disgorge supplies, along with the new team of gravity-defying astronaut-tourists, return the previous team of floating tourists back to Earth, so on and so on, someone must have figured out,well, WHY? So, really as much as a space traveling adventurer I am, none of what is happening is anywhere near what was foretold by Kubrick, so let's such send the giant boondoggle of a white elephant come crashing down on the Kaaba in central Riyadh and be done with it.
1 posted on 05/13/2014 2:39:47 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Some leverage we have. I say the Ruskies are welcome to it. What benefits has the International Space Station brought us other than the experience of constructing large facilities in space? At least when we went to the moon we brought back souvenir rocks.


2 posted on 05/13/2014 2:44:06 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: lbryce

What difference does it make? 0bama applauds everything Putin does, and 0bama has seen to it that we have no contingency plan for getting to the space station. Oh yeah, SpaceX? What if the Russian astronauts aboard the ISS let the Americans leave the ISS but follow orders NOT to allow Americans in? Then what?


4 posted on 05/13/2014 2:45:27 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: lbryce

Russia holds all the cards on this one.

I do note the date is “After 2020” which is 6 years out and plenty of time to negotiate.

We can always accelerate the human transport development on the SpaceX Dragon Capsule.


5 posted on 05/13/2014 2:46:31 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: lbryce

Shoot the damn thing down then! That will show them.


6 posted on 05/13/2014 2:47:37 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: lbryce

Fine.

All the major life support modules on the International Space Station were built by the US and is control and regulated by ground stations based in the US.

So you Russkie kick us off, then Commie Scum freeze and breath vacuum.


7 posted on 05/13/2014 2:50:26 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: lbryce

Aren’t these situations covered in some sort of contract, before we become totally dependent on someone?

I would never have thought we were just winging it in space, and that we could be switched off at Russia’s whim, if something international came up.


8 posted on 05/13/2014 2:51:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: lbryce

having a US paid for space station with no way to get there is like building a mansion on an island without a boat.

Yes the US is that stupid.

One more nail in the coffin.

It is all broken.


9 posted on 05/13/2014 2:54:04 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

10 posted on 05/13/2014 2:54:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: hadaclueonce

bump


11 posted on 05/13/2014 2:55:08 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: DownInFlames

Who didn’t see this coming?


12 posted on 05/13/2014 2:58:12 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: ansel12
sort of contract

No, there is no contract that could or would stand up to an aggressive international foe. This is why Teddy Roosevelt would say, 'Talk softly but carry a big stick'. It ultimately comes down to the, 'Big Stick'.
13 posted on 05/13/2014 3:06:13 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: lbryce

The Gemini space missions took about 18 months from approval to first flight. All we need now is a man rated Dragon capsule and some engine replacements. Not a big deal. Also, NASA already has a contract with Bigelow Aerospace for a new crewed module. It is going to be attached to the ISS, but is designed to be a free floating station. Just put the Bigelow module in orbit, and we have a new space station.


14 posted on 05/13/2014 3:06:32 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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15 posted on 05/13/2014 3:06:50 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ansel12

Contracts???? If the Russians won’t transport US astronauts back and forth, that’s it. Fini. What are you going to do? Sue them?


16 posted on 05/13/2014 3:08:41 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: dfwgator

I’m confused who you are calling a commie bastard.


17 posted on 05/13/2014 3:10:42 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: PanzerKardinal

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/22/world/international-space-station-fast-facts/index.html


18 posted on 05/13/2014 3:12:33 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Vince Ferrer

“The Gemini space missions took about 18 months from approval to first flight.”

Sorry, that was another era and another America.

Today they Gemini program wouldn’t even be approved. Every space capsule design would have to be large enough for one woman, one minority, one gay, one transgendered - and probably one white male just to operate all those silly knobs and switch things.


19 posted on 05/13/2014 3:15:49 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: lbryce
HaHaHa! Don't these Russkies know NASA is still on the job and we have our own well developed space program? After all, we were the first ones on the moon!

Oh, wait...

Who did you say is handling our Muslim Outreach Program again? What has that got to do with anything!!??

20 posted on 05/13/2014 3:17:02 PM PDT by Gritty (Climate hysterics shriek on. Loud and apocalyptic is the only setting on the machine.-Mark Steyn)
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To: lbryce

China will have its own space station 2020.

If want to control space you need facilities there.


21 posted on 05/13/2014 3:21:07 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: I cannot think of a name

“large enough for one woman, one minority, one gay, one transgendered - and probably one white male just to operate all those silly knobs and switch things.”

Could you combine the first 4?


22 posted on 05/13/2014 3:28:06 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: Scrambler Bob

“Could you combine the first 4?”

You must be planning a really big rocket if you are going to take Oprah along!


23 posted on 05/13/2014 3:33:43 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Procyon

I say we respond “Dear Vlad, we have decided to decommission the ISP in 2020 when you hear the ticking you will have............


24 posted on 05/13/2014 3:39:18 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Procyon

“Nice space station, if you can keep it.”


25 posted on 05/13/2014 3:41:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Sure, contracts, international agreements, assurances that an agreement on a long term item won’t be used or disrupted by being used as manipulation.

We are not at war.


26 posted on 05/13/2014 4:35:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Seriously?


27 posted on 05/13/2014 5:50:05 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Sure, some long term obligations continue, even when countries are angry at each other.


28 posted on 05/13/2014 5:53:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Tell that to the Russians.


29 posted on 05/13/2014 6:20:40 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Tell them what? I was asking whether we had that sort of agreement before we started depending on them, or not.


30 posted on 05/13/2014 6:34:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Whether such an agreement exists or not is a moot point. If it exists the Russians just tore it up and burned the pieces.


31 posted on 05/13/2014 6:48:11 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Former Proud Canadian

It isn’t moot at all, let’s find out if there is one, before you decide that the Russians broke it.


32 posted on 05/13/2014 7:05:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: lbryce
>>>>>Russia will also bar the US from buying Russian rocket engines that would be used to launch military satellites, Rogozin said.<<<<<<

Time to watch BA and LMT shares...

33 posted on 05/13/2014 7:12:36 PM PDT by DTA
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To: Procyon
>>>>>>At least when we went to the moon we brought back souvenir rocks.<<<<<<

Like Navajo souvenirs made in China, Moon souvenir rocks were from somewhere else

34 posted on 05/13/2014 7:20:47 PM PDT by DTA
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> The US currently pays Russia $60 million per person to ferry its astronauts to the space station, and had planned to continue working on it until 2024.

Yeah, that’ll teach us, huh? Heh.

Thanks lbryce.


35 posted on 05/14/2014 3:58:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: lbryce

Welcome to MIR II or Salyut 8. B-P Thank you, Obongo. B-(


36 posted on 05/14/2014 2:35:12 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: I cannot think of a name; Vince Ferrer

Yeah, I think the docking hatched used for the Shuttle were the same as for Apollo. I’d say we need to bring back Apollo, but as you put it, it was “another America” that built it, man-rated it and improved it.


37 posted on 05/14/2014 2:36:52 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: lbryce

I guess Wolowitz won’t be going back there anytime soon.


38 posted on 05/14/2014 2:50:47 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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