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Public School Teacher To North Carolina Senate: 'I Am Embarrassed To Confess: I Am A Teacher'
BI ^ | 5-14-2014 | Caroline Moss

Posted on 05/14/2014 6:47:00 AM PDT by blam

Public School Teacher To North Carolina Senate: 'I Am Embarrassed To Confess: I Am A Teacher'

Caroline Moss

“I am embarrassed to confess: I am a teacher.”

That was the subject line of an email Sarah Wiles, a science teacher in Charlotte, North Carolina, sent to all 170 members of the North Carolina General Assembly last week.

Wiles talked about her concerns that teachers were not being paid enough. She says she personally has only seen a pay increase once in six years, even though she says she loves her students and has always gone above and beyond to do her job well.

"I am also sick and tired of politicians making my profession the center of attention and paying it lip-service by visiting a school, kneeling next to a child, shaking my hand and thanking me, telling the nightly news that I deserve a raise," she wrote.

In short, she feels like the state doesn't care about educators like herself, and is embarrassed for and by her politicians. (You can read her full email below.)

On Monday morning, North Carolina Sen. David Curtis (R) hit "reply all" and sent a message back.

The email basically says since she's so ashamed to be a teacher, she might as well get a new job.

In his email, he offers Wiles four suggestions for what she should tell her potential new private sector employer, including asking for eight weeks paid vacation per year because that's what taxpayers gave her. (He is misinformed, as teachers are not paid for the summer months when school is not in session, leaving many teachers working summer jobs to make ends meet.)

Though he does say at the end of his email that he supports pay raises for teachers, it was a pretty harsh reply.

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1 posted on 05/14/2014 6:47:00 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
He is misinformed, as teachers are not paid for the summer months when school is not in session, leaving many teachers working summer jobs to make ends meet.

Semantics. You can just as easily conclude the salary they're paid is for the entire year, and not just nine months. I'm sure there are different districts that spread the pay over the entire year rather than simply the time school is in session.
2 posted on 05/14/2014 6:50:48 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: blam

So I noticed you took it on yourself to add the part about not being paid 8 weeks vacation every year. First, you are wrong….they are paid an annual salary, it just all comes in 44 weeks not 52. They are then allowed 8-9 weeks a year where they can supplement their income, which is fine.

But i sense a liberal agenda on your part….wondering what it was.


3 posted on 05/14/2014 6:51:09 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: blam

Perhaps school districts in NC don’t pay their teachers through the summer months but here in Ohio, they get paid every month of the year. Yes, some teachers do get summer jobs to supplement their income, but get that check every two weeks year round and I am related to several who like to brag about getting that check while laying around their own in ground pools.


4 posted on 05/14/2014 6:51:16 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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5 posted on 05/14/2014 6:51:45 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: blam

I’m not a teacher but I’m embarrassed that I’m not being paid enough money too.


6 posted on 05/14/2014 6:51:53 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: blam

I’d be interested to know what the pay scale is for teachers in NC.

Here in PA, they have nothing to complain about (but they do anyway). In some districts locally, even some music and PE teachers make upward of $90K for their 9-months of work, depending on their level of tenure and education.


7 posted on 05/14/2014 6:52:48 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: blam
First, it is a fallacy to claim that teachers "aren't paid" for the summer months. In most cases, they can opt to receive their salary over 9 or 12 months, but they still get a full year's salary.

Second, I wonder if this teacher has any idea how much her school superintendent and other administrative employees make.

8 posted on 05/14/2014 6:54:47 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwellou)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

It’s real easy to see if teachers are over paid, under paid, or paid about the right amount.

Simply find out if there is a waiting list to be hired, or a waiting list of unfilled positions. We all know the answer……teachers are way over paid by market principles.


9 posted on 05/14/2014 6:55:54 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: blam
I am married to a retired teacher. Yes, she did work hard. Yes, making lesson plans for the next week took up most of her Saturdays during the school year.

But, there was a lot of B.S. that she had to put up with. Why, because education in this country has lost its way.

I used to tell her, when she was exacerbated that any organization is only as good as its leadership is good, and the people in it can only be as good as the leadership allows them to be good.

IMHO. Leadership is the problem. Look at our government and its leaders. A sorry bunch that has created a sorry mess.

10 posted on 05/14/2014 6:57:25 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Wiser now

Where I live, I believe the teachers are given the option of collecting their annual salary during the 9 months of school, or having it broken up into equal payments all year. Either way, good luck telling a private employer you don’t want to work during the summer months...


11 posted on 05/14/2014 6:57:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: blam

Considering the quality of the ‘product’ teachers produce; I would argue that they are way OVERPAID.


12 posted on 05/14/2014 6:58:31 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Parmy

another problem is the whole concept of a government run school sytem to begin with. There’s a lot of other ways to do this, and they are all better than a government system.


13 posted on 05/14/2014 6:58:42 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: blam
Boo Hoo. Get a new job and see what the real world is like.

In Texas the average teacher salary is well over 40K per year BUT as a teacher they only have to work about 9 months to earn that salary. They also get retirement benefits far in excess of nearly anything in the private sector. Most in the private sector can't imagine having a "pension" of any kind.

I sick of hearing this poor teacher crap. try getting a job in the real world where they tax your income away to pay for people who complain about having to work 9 months out of the year.

We need to get rid of government run education. Move all schools to the private sector.

14 posted on 05/14/2014 7:00:34 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Parmy

No disrespect, but is she working hard now? I imagine shes still being paid. And how hard did she work in June and July?

Just sayin…...


15 posted on 05/14/2014 7:03:59 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: blam
Teachers get 8 weeks off in the summer, but 2 or 3 weeks off during the year as well.

They also get 2 or 3 hours off each day compared to other workers.

They also get full benefits, as if they worked full hours.

They are also employees for life in many jurisdictions, as long as they can manage not to disrobe around their students - a stricture that seems increasingly difficult for teachers to handle.

And, yes, we've all heard "But I work extra hours on my lesson plans!" and "I went out and bought markers and construction paper for my kids because the mean taxpayers don't want learning to be fun!" etc., etc.

99% of teachers are time serving robots by the time they get tenure.

16 posted on 05/14/2014 7:05:58 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I’m a public HS baseball coach who, maybe, gets a new fungo bat every season.

‘Greatest job I ever had.


17 posted on 05/14/2014 7:07:10 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: blam

I’m embarrassed that you are a teacher, as well...............


18 posted on 05/14/2014 7:07:39 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: onedoug

When I was in HS, we had sports equipment that dated back to the 30’s..................No one complained................


19 posted on 05/14/2014 7:09:13 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: onedoug

BTW, what's a 'Fungo Bat'? a new species?..................

20 posted on 05/14/2014 7:11:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Your point? I said a ‘former teacher’.


21 posted on 05/14/2014 7:12:39 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Parmy

My point is that all non teachers are likely to have to work hard 12 months a year - and no tax payer funded retirement afterwards. You can take this personally if you want to, but my point is that teaching is a realtively over paid gig remains - and it’s clearly true in the general, if not in every specific case.

And there’s nothing you can say to disupute that.


22 posted on 05/14/2014 7:16:28 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: blam

>>(He is misinformed, as teachers are not paid for the summer months when school is not in session, leaving many teachers working summer jobs to make ends meet.)

BULLS***. You can’t get a 10-month salary anymore because too many teachers wouldn’t save for their summer vacation and would go moneyless over the summer. EVERY salary is 12-month. You get paid throughout the year, even though you’re not paid for summer months. Your summer job is EXTRA PAY in ADDITION to your monthly paycheck.


23 posted on 05/14/2014 7:18:11 AM PDT by struggle
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To: blam
I was recently at a party and spent considerable time talking to a couple who are recently retired Wisconsin public school teachers. They complained about their pay, their pensions, the lack of public respect for teachers, Scott Walker, and the rest of the usual litany of complaints.

Near the end of the party the wife went on a loud rant about poor pay for "highly educated" teachers and how she had been cheated by the system. So I asked her: "If teaching was such a bad deal and money was so important, why didn't you find a different career?" She then finally shut up.

24 posted on 05/14/2014 7:19:32 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: andyk
I'm sure there are different districts that spread the pay over the entire year rather than simply the time school is in session

My understanding is that you have a choice to be paid on a 9 (10?) month scale, or a 12 month scale. Either way, if their salary is 48K / year, they make ..... 48K / year.

I'd never say that teachers have it easy. However, I'd also say that 1) They have it a whole lot better than they think. and 2) I've never met a teacher who didn't think that they were the most abused, picked-on, trodden-down, underpriviledged, underpaid poor old soul in the world. It must be a job qualification, or something.

Frankly, I agree with the represenative: If they hate their job, they can find a new one.

25 posted on 05/14/2014 7:20:26 AM PDT by wbill
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To: blam

I’m embarrassed to be a taxpayer paying these teachers a salary.


26 posted on 05/14/2014 7:24:22 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: blam
Wiles talked about her concerns that teachers were not being paid enough

I think it's horrible how this poor woman was drafted and forced to go to a college and get a degree in "education" and made to labor away in a job that doesn't pay her what she thinks she is worth. It is an outrage that this kind of forced servitude at the barrel of a gun exists in the 21st century!

27 posted on 05/14/2014 7:29:08 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: blam

I live in NC and I am embarrassed by the poor quality of public education in the county where I live. It’s a poor, rural county, ranks extremely low in the state for test scores but our superintendant is one of the highest paid.


28 posted on 05/14/2014 7:41:36 AM PDT by kalee
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Well, while my wife was a teacher, she fully understood the other side. Especially since I worked in agriculture as a salaried, management person. For your information that meant long hours, when necessary. Weekends, when necessary (frost control, harvest, etc.). Going for years without pay increases.

Understand, I am not complaining because I enjoyed it. I am 71, now, and retired. We saved our money, over the years. We were Dave Ramsey's before Dave Ramsey was. We are very comfortable in our retirement.

So, we have lived both sides of the fence, so-to-speak.

You are not telling me anything I don't already know or have experienced.

29 posted on 05/14/2014 7:42:42 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: blam

‘Passing the trash’


Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.

“They might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated,” says Charol Shakeshaft, a leading expert in teacher sex abuse who heads the educational leadership department at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”

Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore.

School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.


30 posted on 05/14/2014 7:42:42 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: blam

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests

 


31 posted on 05/14/2014 7:44:37 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Parmy

not surprising, and again, nothing personal, just using your words to demonstrate the truth of what my bigger point is…..so only bouncing off your example, not making an example of your wife.


32 posted on 05/14/2014 7:45:59 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: wideawake

Teacher's Advocacy of Pedophilia Raises Legal Questions

Teachers and Pedophilia - In YOUR Backyard

Washington Post -- D.C. school officials reported 220 abuse allegations against teachers

Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY

 

Former Manassas teacher to get 25-year term in child-porn case

 


33 posted on 05/14/2014 7:47:04 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: struggle

I know a lot of teachers who refuse to get a job in the summer so they can complain about their pay.

They get three weeks off at Christmas and summers off. Pretty sweet deal.


34 posted on 05/14/2014 7:48:47 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I fail to see your logic at all. Yes, you are bouncing.


35 posted on 05/14/2014 7:52:05 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: blam

In my wife’s school district every year they have 500 or so applicants for 60 or so open teaching positions. I would invite any teacher who feels underpaid to change careers and get the salary he or she “deserves.” I am sure that the district could easily replace a teacher with one of the 440 other applicants who apparently find the pay acceptable.


36 posted on 05/14/2014 7:53:31 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Parmy

Okay fine: then I’l use you as an example. You tried to defend teacher pay by saying your wife worked hard.

So when I asked how hard she worked in July? Crickets from you.
When I asked how hard she is working now, while she is being paid of course…crickets from you again.

I was being polite, but I’ll stop. You and your wife are also part of the problem. Maybe you can change from FR to a liberal forum now.

Is the CLARIFYING for you????????


37 posted on 05/14/2014 7:55:31 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Senator_Blutarski

Public school teachers in NJ are among the highest-paid in the nation; the Asbury Park Press released their salaries (as public information) a few years back and I’m sure it helped Christie get elected in a big way. These people work 180 days per year, 6 1/2 hours per day, and once tenured (after two or three years) they can’t collect unemployment because they are considered employed. None of the public school teachers I know have ever worked a summer job, and all of them have employment for life. They are draining taxpayers to pay for their ridiculously high salaries, scamming them with additional “degrees” from diploma mills to drive up their salaries (regardless of whether or not the degree is relevant), and American taxpayers (individual and corporate) are fleeing the state in droves to escape their clutches.

In NJ they have become a class unto themselves, intermarrying or doing so with other public servants (cops, firemen) equally removed from the realities confronting the people they bleed dry for their livelihoods. Oh, and they don’t teach anything either...


38 posted on 05/14/2014 7:55:47 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: RightOnTheBorder
In my wife’s school district every year they have 500 or so applicants for 60 or so open teaching positions.

Proof that teachers are over paid according to reality…..and market principles….

39 posted on 05/14/2014 7:56:32 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: kearnyirish2

so glad you mentioned the cop/firefighter thing too….it’s a huge incestuous robbery scheme.

Just like the family on BLOODS or whatever it’s called, a pretty good drama, but they’re all on the dole.


40 posted on 05/14/2014 7:57:28 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: blam

Interesting comment.


41 posted on 05/14/2014 8:36:46 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

They literally can’t relate to “normal people”; and their sense of entitlement would sicken any taxpayer.


42 posted on 05/14/2014 8:47:14 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: blam

Teachers don’t really work 9 months a year. That’s a bit misleading.

Think of it this way: they work about 180 DAYS a year.

With all the vacations and breaks throughout the school year, the typical teacher only works about 180 days, or 1/2 a year.

1/2 a year!

And they make $40K, $50K, and more. Some of them are even in the $70K range.

Teachers are the most overpaid, under worked people in our society (well, except for school administrators maybe).

And look at the results! The kids haven’t learned a thing in the past 20 years. Scores haven’t improved a wit. Unbelievable.


43 posted on 05/14/2014 8:58:27 AM PDT by Jack023
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To: kearnyirish2

…and yet. so many unthinking taxpayers are all in on every single pay raise and this absurd out of date notion that teachers are underpaid…..it’s that ignorance that sickens me.


44 posted on 05/14/2014 9:00:35 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Jack023

you are 100% right…..and yet, so many are convinced of the opposite.


45 posted on 05/14/2014 9:01:14 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: blam
Across the nation, and in this particular teacher's state, increased teacher pay should take into account improvement in the learning performance of children.

When colleges are forced to provide remedial reading for high school graduates, when some high school graduates cannot read and/or cannot qualify for low-level jobs, and when intellectually advanced students remain unchallenged and/or bored in their classrooms, then the argument of teachers' unions and politicians on behalf of higher teacher pay are weakened.

A favorite quote from several years ago:

"Teaching and learning are so intertwined that it is almost impossible to separate the two. . . . I don't think teaching takes place until learning occurs. . . ." - Sy Fliegel, East Harlem High School

At another time, his words included the observation that, "teaching and learning are inextricably intertwined. . . ."

Wise man, that Sy Fliegel!

46 posted on 05/14/2014 9:06:30 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Senator_Blutarski
And that is the million dollar zing. Why did they become teachers in the first place? If it was to help children, the STFU and teach the children. If you wanted a steady job with no chance of being fired and no performace evals, than STFU and continue what you are doing.

The vast majority of teachers I have met - I do not care if this offends teachers or those related to teachers - are about as dumb as a bunch of rocks. Also extremely bossy and overbearing. They talk to people as if everyone is a child. And get extremely frustrated and upset if people do not follow their instructions, as they are so use to children having to follow their every command.

Thomas Sowell has a great book - Inside American Education - that I am now reading. Copyrighted in 1993, it is very scathing in the chapters about teachers, educators, and those seeking an education degree.

47 posted on 05/14/2014 9:16:36 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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And that is the million dollar zing. Why did they become teachers in the first place? If it was to help children, the STFU and teach the children. If you wanted a steady job with no chance of being fired and no performace evals, than STFU and continue what you are doing.

The vast majority of teachers I have met - I do not care if this offends teachers or those related to teachers - are about as dumb as a bunch of rocks. Also extremely bossy and overbearing. They talk to people as if everyone is a child. And get extremely frustrated and upset if people do not follow their instructions, as they are so use to children having to follow their every command.

I thought that was so on the money it was worth re-posting!!

48 posted on 05/14/2014 9:18:35 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: blam

I was a schoolteacher in NC for five years, and they are among the lowest paid in the country (in the bottom five). I was allowed to be paid for ten months or for twelve months, and took the job because I divorced someone who lived in Europe and wanted to be at home with my young-ish children as much as I could. I never made over $30 K a year, (I haven’t taught for over five years, but it looks like I would now be making $33K in the school district I used to work). For the nightmare of dealing with a lot of troubled kids who we were not allowed to discipline, I decided the compensation wasn’t worth it.

Summers off were great, but I wanted to make money based on how hard I worked, and not just based on how long I worked. Haven’t regretted the decision for a minute.


49 posted on 05/14/2014 9:21:00 AM PDT by Rutabega (If you don't want me in your personal affairs, don't stick your hand out for my help.)
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To: andyk

IMO school should be year around, split into four 12 week quarters with a one week break between each quarter. Kids forget too much over the summer and much of the first weeks of school is spent on review of the previous year. If a holiday falls during a regular school quarter, just give that one day off.

It’s way past time we got serious about education. Glad I’m not in my 40’s and won’t be around to see the uneducated masses that will be attempting to run the country in another 20 years. It’s bad enough now.


50 posted on 05/14/2014 9:26:04 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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