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3 ways America should be more like Canada
Daily Ticker ^ | 5/14/14 | Rick Newman

Posted on 05/14/2014 7:11:52 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue

So for guidance on how to fix America, why not look north to Canada, where the mood is upbeat and life appears to be getting demonstrably better? The New York Times recently reported the Canadian middle class is now the world’s richest, surpassing the U.S. for the first time. In the 2014 “better life index” recently published by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, Canada outscored the United States in 9 of 11 categories, including education, safety and overall life satisfaction

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This has got to be one of the dumbest articles I have ever read.

1) One of the biggest reasons Canada can afford it's $hitty national health plan is because it doesn't have to pay for a national defense. We do that for them. And yes, there health care is garbage. If you're sick, seriously sick, you get help fast. But try sitting for 12 hours on a weekend with a screaming infant on your lap, in a French only speaking ER because your child has an ear infection and your Dr. is nowhere to be found.

2) Immigration? Last time I checked, there wasn't much problem of illegal immigrants sneaking into Canada from the US. What issues do they have there?

3) "With far fewer lending excesses, Canada didn’t really have a housing bust or a credit crisis to recover from."

Are they kidding? I don't think the real estate market in Canada even lends itself to the type of crappy loans our government forced Fannie and Freddie to make in pursuit of the American Dream. Most of the real estate markets in Canada are set near major economic hubs so that people who own homes, actually have the jobs they need to pay for them. Duh...

What a load!

1 posted on 05/14/2014 7:11:52 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Everything you need to know about Canada:

It’s north of North Dakota.


2 posted on 05/14/2014 7:13:09 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Let’s all ask Mark Steyn about Freedom of Speech in Canada. There is NO SUCH THING! You are arrested and severely fined for speaking simple truths.


3 posted on 05/14/2014 7:14:19 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Basically, we need something like the USA right on our borders.


4 posted on 05/14/2014 7:14:20 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: cuban leaf

I would trade Obama for Stephen Harper in a heartbeat.


5 posted on 05/14/2014 7:14:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
You are arrested and severely fined for speaking simple truths.

How is it any different here?

6 posted on 05/14/2014 7:15:13 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cuban leaf

7 posted on 05/14/2014 7:15:14 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: dfwgator

Well, there is that.

Heck, I’d trade Obama for my town’s mayor.


8 posted on 05/14/2014 7:15:45 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: TangledUpInBlue

You put thought into that Tangled... great list. Thanks for sharing.


9 posted on 05/14/2014 7:16:17 AM PDT by GOPJ (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator. - - Freeper Balding_Eagle)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Agree with you....What a barf inducing bit of crapola.


10 posted on 05/14/2014 7:16:43 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: dfwgator

Yes, this is the one thing we can say. When Obama was elected, I said I never thought I’d see the day when Canada’s PM was to the right of the US President. But there you have it.


11 posted on 05/14/2014 7:17:14 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: Edward Teach

Hilarious!


12 posted on 05/14/2014 7:17:25 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: TangledUpInBlue

“””3 ways America should be more like Canada”””

1. More of that Maple Syrup.
2. Excellent big game hunting.
3. Much cooler climate. (ridiculous heat/humidity in the
south)

That’s about it.


13 posted on 05/14/2014 7:18:08 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

I like Harper a lot.....And he does have to work within a lot of constraints imposed by previous Liberal governments, but he is a good man....Can’t say that about many national leaders these days.


14 posted on 05/14/2014 7:18:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GOPJ

Thanks. I have quite a few friends in Canada and none of them have ever extolled the reasons listed in this article as reasons why Canada is great. In fact, some don’t think it is great. (like the guy who chose to come to NY state to get a tonsilectomy because the “fast track” appointment their National Health set for them was 6 months down the road and his daughter could barely swallow.)

This notion that the US is garbage really gets my hackles up. Yes, Obama AND Congress blow. Yes, we have our problems. But if you travel out of the country - and I am fortunate enough to have done so - you will quickly realize how GREAT the US is. I have friends in the Military - been to some amazing places - all say the same exact thing.

/rant (which was not, in any way, directed at you.) Whew....I feel (a little) better.


15 posted on 05/14/2014 7:21:50 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
If you're sick, seriously sick, you get help fast.

--you go to the States!

The Mexicans don't want to learn French, so they stay here...

The money quote:

"In Canada, the banking system was not used as a means of channeling subsidized credit to a favored political constituency, so there was no need to tolerate instability."

Hmmmm. How to engage that in PC talk?

Redlined neighborhoods were redlined for a reason, and it was not racial, even if those demographics coincided.

Had the Government not forced the banks to make loans in those areas, there would have been far less need for any bailouts.

16 posted on 05/14/2014 7:22:01 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Let’s all ask Mark Steyn about Freedom of Speech in Canada. There is NO SUCH THING! You are arrested and severely fined for speaking simple truths.”

Those truths you speak of are actually anything non-Politically Correct™.

You can speak out and voice opinions against conservatives, Christians, white people, etc.
Just don’t voice opinions against minorities, gays, muslims, etc. That would be Hate Speech©.


17 posted on 05/14/2014 7:22:30 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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18 posted on 05/14/2014 7:22:59 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dfwgator
I would trade Obama for Stephen Harper in a heartbeat.

Who wouldn't you trade for Obama?

19 posted on 05/14/2014 7:23:17 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: null and void
Who wouldn't you trade for Obama?

Give me a few minutes, I'll think of something.

20 posted on 05/14/2014 7:23:57 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: envisio

Vermont has maple syrup and so does New Hampshire. You can cross of #1 :)


21 posted on 05/14/2014 7:24:24 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: envisio

Tim Hortons....


22 posted on 05/14/2014 7:24:25 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: null and void

Poutine.


23 posted on 05/14/2014 7:25:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

No fair picking Idi Amin or Pol Pot. The trade has to be for someone actually alive.


24 posted on 05/14/2014 7:26:36 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: null and void

Man, you’re making this real hard, aren’t you?


25 posted on 05/14/2014 7:27:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TangledUpInBlue
This article is off base on a lot of things, but not necessarily the way you think about it.

1. One of the biggest reasons Canada can afford its national health plan is that it doesn't provide very much health care at all (in comparison to the U.S.). It's easier to get a CAT scan for your pet than for yourself, for example. If that's fine by them, that's fine by me.

2. There's a remarkable reason why Canada's military expenditures is so low, and this is something that ought to resonate with conservatives here in the U.S.: Canada's federal government has very little power. Amazing at it may seem, Canada actually functions today a lot like the U.S. probably would have ended up if the Confederacy had won the Civil War. Most of the political power is vested in the provincial governments (the provinces run their own health care systems, for example), and for most Canadians, Ottawa is just a nice city on the banks of the Ottawa River with lots of British architecture.

3. The point about the housing bubble is right on. Canada has strict lending standards and a very heavily regulated banking system. Canada also doesn't have the mortgage interest tax deduction, which means homeowners aren't given a major tax incentive to borrow as much money as possible against their homes.

26 posted on 05/14/2014 7:28:27 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: TangledUpInBlue

In Canada as I understand it mortgages must be re done every 5 years!!! I lived in Canada for 3 years...don’t get me started


27 posted on 05/14/2014 7:28:48 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Alberta's Child

And Canada doesn’t exactly have nearly as many of the “Gibsmedat” crowd as here in the US.


28 posted on 05/14/2014 7:29:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

True, but they have more than you might think. Up there, the “gibsmedat” crowd consists mainly of aboriginal tribes. And the folks in Quebec aren’t full-fledged welfare cases, but they are willing to accept a heavy dose of Marxism to prop up their standard of living.


29 posted on 05/14/2014 7:32:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: goodnesswins

That’s another good point. There’s no such thing as a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage in Canada. Between that and the lack of tax deductibility for mortgage interest, Canadian homeowners have a very strong incentive to pay off their mortgages as quickly as possible.


30 posted on 05/14/2014 7:33:51 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

Well at least they won’t physically attack you.


31 posted on 05/14/2014 7:33:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I would trade Obama for 17 trillion dollars—oops, already been done.


32 posted on 05/14/2014 7:35:03 AM PDT by the anti-mahdi
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To: dfwgator

That’s because most tribal reservations are in areas of Canada where citizens are more likely to own firearms.


33 posted on 05/14/2014 7:36:12 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

Your point 1 is very well taken. When I want to piss off my Canadian friends I tell them of the time I hurt my knee playing hockey.

1) Made appointment at 5PM for the next morning, 8AM.

2) Got examined by an Orthopedist - the Dr. for the NY Jets no less - and also got an X-Ray and MRI done, THAT DAY.

3) Was back at work by 11AM.

That pretty much sends them over the edge. :)


34 posted on 05/14/2014 7:38:53 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
2) Immigration? Last time I checked, there wasn't much problem of illegal immigrants sneaking into Canada from the US. What issues do they have there?

You are confusing illegal immigration with legal immigration. Canada has a far superior system of legal immigration. Unfortunately, the author conflates the US guest worker programs with permanent legal immigration. Here is what he said:

But the whole issue of immigration is far less politicized, and there’s a broad understanding that skilled foreign workers help the economy. Canada actually recruits immigrants, part of a deliberate effort to attract talented foreigners most likely to contribute to economic growth. In the United States, the quota for skilled immigrants is far below the number U.S. firms would hire if they could get them. Despite appeals from many businesses, Congress is paralyzed on reforms that would let more skilled immigrants in, partly because that issue gets conflated with separate reforms aimed at stemming the flow of unskilled illegals.

Canada has a merit based system for permanent legal immigration. We have a kinship system for the 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants who enter annually. An estimated 12% of legal immigrants are merit based--the rest is based on sponsorship from family members, i.e, chain migration. 20% of legal permanent immigrants lack even a high school degree. 87% of them are minorities as classified by the USG.

We bring in 650,000 guest workers a year on temporary work visas. We would not need most guest worker programs if we went to a merit based immigration system.

The vast majority of US legal immigrants come from the Third World. They are changing this country demographically and electorally. Immigrants and minorities vote more than two to one Democrat. In 1970 one in 21 in this country was foreign born; today it is one in 8, the highest in 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history. Since 1990 over 25 million legal immigrants have entered the US during the two highest decades of immigration in US history.

The current breakdown in Canada is

76.7% European

14.2% Asian

4.3% Aboriginal

2.9% Black

1.2% Latin American

0.5% Multiracial

0.3% Other

35 posted on 05/14/2014 7:40:44 AM PDT by kabar
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To: TangledUpInBlue; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
This author is clueless. Even his analysis of our banking system is only half-right; the reason we had no financial crisis is the conservative banking culture here.

To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

36 posted on 05/14/2014 7:42:19 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

I do enjoy being in Canada when I am there, and it has a lot to commend it. But Canada does not have many of the problems the US has. The ethnic make-up is not as varied. The population is much smaller. On the other hand, the taxes are high (something the lib writer I am sure approves of) and everything - and I mean everything - is more expensive.


37 posted on 05/14/2014 7:43:30 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: cuban leaf

Actually, I’m well south of ND. The latitude here is the same as southern Oregon. Crossing the border into Detroit means going northwest.


38 posted on 05/14/2014 7:44:04 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Yes and they forgot to mention that Canada only has about a 39 million population so its a little easier to administer a national health program.

They don’t have 20 million illegal unskilled Mexicans sucking off the welfare system and clogging the schools with their kids while they pay no taxes to help support it.

I especially love the part of the article where the guy says the US probably won’t be adopting a Parliamentary style of govt anytime soon. Duh. We have a little thing called the Constitution to abide by.

I have to say though that the guy is right about Canadian debt. They also handle their banking system better.


39 posted on 05/14/2014 7:46:25 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
1) One of the biggest reasons Canada can afford it's [expletive deleted] national health plan is because it doesn't have to pay for a national defense.

So much depends on where you are. A growing oil area (Alberta, Sask.) doesn't have nearly enough doctors. And God help you if you don't agree 100% of what the doctor wants you to do.
The worst thing to me about the nationalized health care is the way it warps the thinking of even otherwise conservative citizens (subjects)? Even those who lived and thrived before the socialization are afraid of seeing it go, like the U.S. with Social Security.

2) Immigration? Last time I checked, there wasn't much problem of illegal immigrants sneaking into Canada from the US. What issues do they have there?

It is pretty easy (compared to the U.S.) to buy your way into Canada (landed immigrant). They don't have the RFK designed quota system we have. There are plenty (not, of course, as many as here) who come from Mexico and below. My Canadian wife's family knew one man who feared for his life in El Salvador and made his way all the way up on land. Asians (Indians and Far East) aplenty. They don't really assimilate, but mostly aren't big on crime, either.

3) "With far fewer lending excesses, Canada didn’t really have a housing bust or a credit crisis to recover from."

Yeah, it's hard to find a standard 30 year mortgage in Canada, and rates are generally higher than here, as are housing prices. You have maybe half a dozen real banks. That said, they really DIDN'T have a housing bubble or collapse, and no one was playing funny games with derivatives etc. That may not be a bad thing. No collapse means no taxpayer subsidized bailout. Net plus in my book.


40 posted on 05/14/2014 7:46:38 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

from the article:

There’s less hostility toward immigrants. Canada, like the United States, has limits on the number of foreigners it allows into the country to work. But the whole issue of immigration is far less politicized, and there’s a broad understanding that skilled foreign workers help the economy.

Canada actually recruits immigrants, part of a deliberate effort to attract talented foreigners most likely to contribute to economic growth. In the United States, the quota for skilled immigrants is far below the number U.S. firms would hire if they could get them. Despite appeals from many businesses,

Congress is paralyzed on reforms that would let more skilled immigrants in, partly because that issue gets conflated with separate reforms aimed at stemming the flow of unskilled illegals.


41 posted on 05/14/2014 7:48:07 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Dr. Sivana

Canada has mostly disavowed the black ghetto culture.


42 posted on 05/14/2014 7:49:11 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: TangledUpInBlue

4. Get Rid of Justin Bieber.


43 posted on 05/14/2014 7:51:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: null and void

I think Robert Mugabe is still alive and the clown who succeeded the dead guy in Venezuela too.


44 posted on 05/14/2014 7:52:08 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue
Canada has mostly disavowed the black ghetto culture.

Properly put. While Canada certainly doesn't have the number of black people as the U.S., I have found the big problems in the to be related to the urban areas and the hip-hop/drug/gang anti-culture. Every time I travel through non-urban Georgia, I find that everybody, black and white, are more polite, markedly so, than their northeastern counterparts, especially in convenience stores, restaurants, etc.
45 posted on 05/14/2014 7:54:04 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: staytrue

Hmmmmm. Didn’t Mugabe make everyone in Zimbabwe a multimillionaire?


46 posted on 05/14/2014 7:54:39 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

We have about 45 million foreign born in the US, which is bigger than the entire population of Canada.


47 posted on 05/14/2014 7:54:54 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“14.2% Asian

4.3% Aboriginal

2.9% Black “

I think if you flip Asian and Black, you pretty much get the USA numbers. And if you look at the all black areas of the USA vs. the all asian areas of Canada, you might see the reason Canada does better.


48 posted on 05/14/2014 7:55:24 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: null and void

I think Mugabe made every one a multi quadrillionaire.


49 posted on 05/14/2014 7:56:08 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Dr. Sivana

I’m afraid though our black ghetto culture has spread around the Globe, I was shocked how much of it I saw in Europe.


50 posted on 05/14/2014 7:56:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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