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In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia
The Guardian ^ | May 13, 2014 | John Pilger

Posted on 05/14/2014 10:49:48 AM PDT by wetphoenix

Washington's role in Ukraine, and its backing for the regime's neo-Nazis, has huge implications for the rest of the world.

Why do we tolerate the threat of another world war in our name? Why do we allow lies that justify this risk? The scale of our indoctrination, wrote Harold Pinter, is a "brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis", as if the truth "never happened even while it was happening".

Every year the American historian William Blum publishes his "updated summary of the record of US foreign policy" which shows that, since 1945, the US has tried to overthrow more than 50 governments, many of them democratically elected; grossly interfered in elections in 30 countries; bombed the civilian populations of 30 countries; used chemical and biological weapons; and attempted to assassinate foreign leaders.

In many cases Britain has been a collaborator. The degree of human suffering, let alone criminality, is little acknowledged in the west, despite the presence of the world's most advanced communications and nominally most free journalism. That the most numerous victims of terrorism – "our" terrorism – are Muslims, is unsayable. That extreme jihadism, which led to 9/11, was nurtured as a weapon of Anglo-American policy (Operation Cyclone in Afghanistan) is suppressed. In April the US state department noted that, following Nato's campaign in 2011, "Libya has become a terrorist safe haven".

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia
KEYWORDS: kerry; obama; putin; ukraine

1 posted on 05/14/2014 10:49:48 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Never mind that over that period of time nobody else lifted a finger to help stave off problems around the planet. So while they all sat on their hands, we did the heavy lifting.

Now they carp.

Yes, well, it looks as if the planet will get to see what natural selection provides once the Great Satan (the U.S.) withdraws from being the world’s police agency.

Enjoy folks...


2 posted on 05/14/2014 10:57:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: wetphoenix

You live in Russia don’t you?

You only signed up recently to represent and present, Russian propaganda in regards to this Russian operation, it seems.


3 posted on 05/14/2014 11:06:02 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: wetphoenix

Give The Guardian high marks for consistencey. This is the same article they wrote about Bush and Iraq with “Obama” substituted for “Bush.” It would be nice to hear how US Libs explain how it is that the British Left sees Obama as a bloodthirsty warmonger just like Bush.


4 posted on 05/14/2014 11:06:43 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: wetphoenix
In April the US state department noted that, following Nato's campaign in 2011, "Libya has become a terrorist safe haven".

and now

Where next?

5 posted on 05/14/2014 11:07:07 AM PDT by McGruff (#BringBackOurJobs)
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To: ansel12

Since when The Guardian is a Russian propaganda?


6 posted on 05/14/2014 11:07:17 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Earth to Guardiandorks...did you not think electing this mega cretin was a good thing for the U.S.?

After all, he had such great accomplishments...such as...er....uh.....ummmmm.....

Face it, losers, we picked a walking anus, you liked him, and we’re all suffering the consequences.


7 posted on 05/14/2014 11:15:05 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: wetphoenix

I described you, not the Guardian.


8 posted on 05/14/2014 11:21:41 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

In fact it seems to me like your response at posting this article.


9 posted on 05/14/2014 11:23:44 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: DoughtyOne
Yes, well, it looks as if the planet will get to see what natural selection provides once the Great Satan (the U.S.) withdraws from being the world’s police agency.

This person should be president of the Blame America First Committee!

Idiots like this seem to forget that when all the sh...tuff is happening around the world, everyone looks to the US and says, "Do something!" Then, when we do something (often the wrong something) or we do nothing, and either way excrement hits the rotating air circulator, the world looks at the US and says, "Why did you do that?"

These Richard-Heads need to lead, follow, or get out of the way! And regardless of the above choice, JUST SHUT UP!
10 posted on 05/14/2014 11:25:56 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: ExTxMarine

Exactly right.


11 posted on 05/14/2014 11:30:47 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: wetphoenix

In fact, outside of your work for Russian propaganda, you don’t seem to have any reason for having joined FR, or any interest in it.

There was a report that you people existed and were working the internet and forums, you seem evidence of that.


12 posted on 05/14/2014 11:51:35 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

In fact I have interest. What exactly do you want to discuss?


13 posted on 05/14/2014 12:01:46 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Too bad your sign up and posting history, shows the truth of the matter.

There is no more obvious propagandist on FR, than yourself.

In your case it is unique, because it involves selling the interests of a foreign government.


14 posted on 05/14/2014 12:08:38 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

So, you don’t want to talk to me?


15 posted on 05/14/2014 12:11:24 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

At least you are comfortable in your work.


16 posted on 05/14/2014 12:14:14 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

You are so fast jumping to a conclusions.
I guess the main reason why you dislike me is that some people think that only their opinion is correct and anyone who disagree has to shut up or die.
Yet they think they are pro-freedom and conservative.
To me, their major problem is that they won’t see a real tyranny facing them a few inches ahead.


17 posted on 05/14/2014 12:20:59 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: ExTxMarine
This person should be president of the Blame America First Committee!

Can we compromise on a Blame Washington DC First committee? Those clowns there are the ones calling the shots. That sess pool isn't "America" and none of them have spoken for me in decades. That's who I blame.

18 posted on 05/14/2014 12:21:10 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: wetphoenix
There will be no war with Russia. Sorry to say it, but the US is no longer capable of fighting a large scale war on the scale of WW2. We would never be able to mobilize enough men to fight. Too many minorities in the country. Each one unwilling to fight for the US. Most of them would rather break off and fight for an independent state within the US.
Even if Russia were gassing the Ukrainians, nothing would be done about it. Look at North Korea. Everybody knows what goes on there but it continues. Look at Islam. Nobody cares if they kill non Muslims by the hundreds.
19 posted on 05/14/2014 12:27:04 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: wetphoenix

Actually, I spotted you pretty early as a professional, who signed up here to work the forum.


20 posted on 05/14/2014 12:34:21 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Dallas59

We are NATO, if NATO has to fight Russia, Russian won’t fair well.


21 posted on 05/14/2014 12:35:44 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

You are dead wrong, ansel12. If I was a professional you wouldn’t ‘spot’ me.


22 posted on 05/14/2014 12:36:54 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: ansel12

~We are NATO, if NATO has to fight Russia, Russian won’t fair well.~

Why won’t you grab a rifle, pick Juan McCain for air support and go there?


23 posted on 05/14/2014 12:38:13 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

I’ve done my part as part of the NATO forces defending against your side.

Will you be grabbing a rifle against NATO?


24 posted on 05/14/2014 12:52:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

I would grab my rifle against anyone who dare to hurt me badly. I don’t see NATO a threat like this right now.


25 posted on 05/14/2014 12:55:35 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

No one is out to hurt you, are you already a veteran of the Russian or Soviet military?


26 posted on 05/14/2014 1:05:58 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

~No one is out to hurt you~

Good, I hope so.

~are you already a veteran of the Russian or Soviet military?~

Am I under interrogation? I know how to use a gun if it is what you ask me. It doesn’t mean I’m going to shoot you.


27 posted on 05/14/2014 1:10:12 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

What do you mean if that is what I asked you, you know what I asked you.

“are you already a veteran of the Russian or Soviet military?”

Are you in right now?


28 posted on 05/14/2014 1:14:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

I’m not in.


29 posted on 05/14/2014 1:16:20 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Interesting, did you serve in the Soviet military, or after that evil and wicked empire was brought down?


30 posted on 05/14/2014 1:18:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Don’t you think you are ‘slightly’ off-topic?


31 posted on 05/14/2014 1:21:16 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Not at all, your service to the Soviet Empire is relevant, your service to the Russian military is relevant.


32 posted on 05/14/2014 1:23:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

I’m too young to be a Cold Warrior and I don’t remember much from before the Wall fell. Nothing which is worth a bit for sure.
Also I was hanging around Americans a lot as a teen and I have an idea about classic values. That is a primary reason why I’m interested in conservatism and this website.


33 posted on 05/14/2014 1:41:11 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

So your military service was post Soviet, if you were seeing American tourists, then you must be from one of the major cities, your English is very good, did you learn that while working in the Russian military, or government?


34 posted on 05/14/2014 1:54:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Why tourists? There are a number of professors, priests, businessmen and military from UK and US in Russia. As for English I’ve learnt it in a public school.


35 posted on 05/14/2014 1:59:23 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

What did your dad do that as a teen you were hanging out with UK and American professors and military, Priests, and businessmen?


36 posted on 05/14/2014 2:08:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

He was a construction engineer, designing industrial buildings. Does it really matter?:-)


37 posted on 05/14/2014 2:17:00 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix
I was hanging around Americans a lot as a teen and I have an idea about classic values.

Just curious of what the conditions were, and in what city, since you say you weren't speaking of tourists, and instead meant to say that as a teen you were hanging out with UK and American military and Priests, and Professors, and businessmen.

38 posted on 05/14/2014 2:22:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

There is some misunderstanding I think.
Back when US consulates has run a lot of programs around Russia. These people were visiting schools, colleges. If you liked it you could go to consulate proper for their classes, seminars etc.
It was a long time ago. I wouldn’t recomend one to visit US consulate now. At the time they taught about God, rule of law, checks and ballances, free enterprise etc.
Today, they would probably push for muslim outreach, abortion and gay pride.


39 posted on 05/14/2014 2:32:18 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Which Russian president(s) was your military service under, did you do Army, or Navy, or what?


40 posted on 05/14/2014 2:37:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Enough, ansel:) Have a nice day!


41 posted on 05/14/2014 2:40:45 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Seriously, that is your cut off point, letting us know who was the Russian president during your military service?

No one hides that.


42 posted on 05/14/2014 2:50:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Who was a president when you served?:) I guess you can legally tell me your full name, rank and regiment too, ansel.


43 posted on 05/14/2014 3:01:04 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

I have never seen anyone hesitate to mention who was president(s) when they served, there is nothing personal at all about it.


44 posted on 05/14/2014 3:08:33 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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And then circled that tree. And then circled that tree. And then... ad infinitum.


45 posted on 05/14/2014 3:12:26 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: ansel12

I don’t know why are you so sure that I’m a vet to start with. I also answered a lot of your questions and yours none of mine.


46 posted on 05/14/2014 3:12:38 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

One thing that you have made clear, is that you served, you have made it clear of when you did not serve, and that you are not now serving, but you have made it clear that you have served.

You just froze at saying who you served under, of the post empire leaders.


47 posted on 05/14/2014 3:27:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: wetphoenix
I also answered a lot of your questions and yours none of mine.

You're catching on...

48 posted on 05/14/2014 3:50:34 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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