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Ukraine in "Undeclared War" with Russia says Defense Minister
Townhall.com ^ | May 14, 2014 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 05/14/2014 11:08:52 AM PDT by Kaslin

The civil war in Ukraine took a bloody turn for the worse today as separatists killed six Ukrainian soldiers and wounded eight others in an ambush near Kramatorsk in the Donetsk region.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Russia
KEYWORDS: ukraine

1 posted on 05/14/2014 11:08:52 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Russia is waging war on Ukraine. That much is obvious.


2 posted on 05/14/2014 11:13:48 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Kaslin

Actually, Ukraine is in a US-Sponsored War with itself.

Putin is reacting to events, not creating them. That he has outmaneuvered the incompetents in the White Hut at every turn, shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention for the last 6 years.

If we hadn’t financed the most Radical elements in Ukraine, and encouraging them to overthrow the elected government, a Ukrainian Flag would still be flying over Crimea, and people wouldn’t be dying in a civil war.

Russia warned LONG AGO that they would never allow Crimea to fall under western control.

RIA Novosti: Secret Cable Reveals Russia Warned US in 2008 Meddling in Ukraine Could Split Country
http://russialist.org/ria-novosti-secret-cable-reveals-russia-warned-us-in-2008-meddling-in-ukraine-could-split-country/


3 posted on 05/14/2014 11:20:02 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: GeronL
Russia is waging war on Ukraine. That much is obvious.

And the US just sits on its ars and King Obama hasn't a damn clue what to do. America has turned into the most useless Country on the globe because it is the most powerful and has done nothing right during King Obama communists club. The first big mistake was reneging on air defence for Ukraine.

4 posted on 05/14/2014 11:22:56 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Logical me

I think Obama not only doesn’t have a clue, but that he and Putin share so many goals. The US becoming a useless third rate power is one big one.


5 posted on 05/14/2014 11:24:22 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Sure is. And you watch, the front is going to expand exponentially. By the end folks will have seen the light. It will be too late to be resolved peaceably by then.

We either abdicate Europe, or we confront the wombats in Moscow.


6 posted on 05/14/2014 11:24:41 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

What country will be next? Moldova? Georgia, again? the Baltics?


7 posted on 05/14/2014 11:26:11 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Wherever the location of the next country, you can rest easy knowing that it will be the USA’s, and not Russia’s, fault.


8 posted on 05/14/2014 11:28:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GeronL

If you look at the assault on the U. S. right now, it’s a perfect storm.

Russia and China in concert...
Russia invading it’s neighbors...
Mexico, Central and South American nations invading the U. S...
The culture wars in the U. S...
The indoctrination of our kids in the public schools and universities...
The Islamification of the U. S...
The assault on Christian religion in the U. S...
The assault on Conservatives in the U. S...
The assault on Whites in the U. S...

Man, this has got to stop. If we give a damn about our nation, the White populace needs to pull it’s head out, and start objecting to the stealing of our nation.


9 posted on 05/14/2014 11:28:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: 1rudeboy

LOL, you and I have disagreed quite often here.

On this one, you’re dead on target IMO.


10 posted on 05/14/2014 11:29:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

exactly


11 posted on 05/14/2014 11:33:32 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Whichever one gives Moscow the slightest excuse.

Honestly, beyond that I don’t know. What I do know is that Putin is in trouble at home, or something else is going on for this guy to operating this way.

It seems as if the SHTF moment has come for him, and he’s trying to stave off public disapproval.


12 posted on 05/14/2014 11:33:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

I guess we shall see.


13 posted on 05/14/2014 11:48:04 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: DoughtyOne

“If you look at the assault on the U. S. right now, it’s a perfect storm.”

You forgot to include China moving on the Spratley’s, by placing a huge oil platform there.

Vietnam and China are nearly at war over it now, and some Chinese factories in Vietnam have been burned by protestors.

Worse yet, the U.S. Mainstream press is pretty much ignoring it.


14 posted on 05/14/2014 11:55:01 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: GeronL

I’m not saying it will be the U.S.’s fault, but you can rest assured there will be a contingent that will see it that way.

That’s my take on it.

Didn’t mean to take sides against you there, if you saw it that way.


15 posted on 05/14/2014 11:55:36 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

There are always the Blame America First people around it seems, on almost every issue.


16 posted on 05/14/2014 11:57:31 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: DoughtyOne

“What I do know is that Putin is in trouble at home,”

A US polling outfit said yesterday that his approval rating in Russia has risen to almost 89%.

“or something else is going on for this guy to operating this way.”

Yeah, there is something going on. It’s called “Obama’s Incompetence”, and Putin has moved to take advantage of it.

That is the difference between a leader that studied Alinsky, and a leader that studied Machiavelli.


17 posted on 05/14/2014 11:58:06 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

I agree with that.

We financed the whole thing too.

We jumped China ahead fifty years in the last 15.

Now our kids will pay for it dearly.

At least some people made money off this. A.H.s


18 posted on 05/14/2014 12:00:16 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: GeronL

Particularly with regard to this issue.


19 posted on 05/14/2014 12:00:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: tcrlaf

Yes, his polling figures do seem to be good at home. That’s my point. He has played the nationalism card to great advantage.

What was looming that he felt he needed to?

We both know Obama is an idiot. That still doesn’t give Russia cause to invade a nation that was no possible threat to it.


20 posted on 05/14/2014 12:02:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: GeronL
Russia is waging war on Ukraine. That much is obvious.

If it were, GeronL, not a scorched stone of Ukraine's fine house would be standing. Ukraine is tempting Russia to sweep into the eastern oblasts.

21 posted on 05/14/2014 12:18:38 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: DoughtyOne
We both know Obama is an idiot. That still doesn’t give Russia cause to invade a nation that was no possible threat to it.

Ukraine is not a threat to Russia, but NATO in Crimea or Ukraine would be a huge threat to Russia. Russia is protecting itself in the Black Sea, and it's tough to live on the frontier of a major power. Ask Mexico. That's just the way it is.

22 posted on 05/14/2014 12:24:14 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

Why would it be a bigger threat to Russia to have NATO on it’s doorstep, then it would be a threat to the Ukraine having Russia on it’s doorstep?


23 posted on 05/14/2014 12:29:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

It will stop-—November—Vote like its the last time you may get a chance to Vote (it might be). Lets change things—VOW never vote for a person with a “D” behind their name.


24 posted on 05/14/2014 1:30:01 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Good point, but I suggest we expand that to people who deserve to have a 'D" after their name too.


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25 posted on 05/14/2014 1:32:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Why would it be a bigger threat to Russia to have NATO on it’s doorstep, then it would be a threat to the Ukraine having Russia on it’s doorstep?

Ukraine is just a bit player on the frontier between Russia and the EU, and is merely the venue and proxy for the real contenders. Ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union, NATO has expanded eastward to encompass frontier countries that once formed a buffer between Russia and Germany. That is a very real threat Russia, which is not going to allow the West to advance closer to its southern borders along the Black Sea. If the shoe was on the other foot, we would have invaded two months ago.

26 posted on 05/14/2014 1:47:55 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

Look, I think that’s a reasoned response. I still don’t think the E.U. or the U.S. is as likely to invade and try to occupy parts of Russia.

Could I say the same about Russia in Mexico? Not hardly. Russia would be doing it’s best to destabilize the U. S. on it’s own soil.

I don’t see the E.U. or the U.S. desiring to do that to Russia.


27 posted on 05/14/2014 1:53:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

The EU is intent of dominating Russia, first economically and then as logic dictates, militarily. The greatest threat to peace in the coming decade is the soon-to-be-unchecked bureaucratic monster in Brussels.


28 posted on 05/14/2014 2:13:13 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine
The EU is intent of dominating Russia, first economically and then as logic dictates, militarily. The greatest threat to peace in the coming decade is the soon-to-be-unchecked bureaucratic monster in Brussels.

Brussels may become a bureaucratic monster.  I'm not convinced that has to be a real negative for Russia.

Europe does a lot of business with China.  Why would Russia have to be any different?

If Russia behaves as a good neighbor, the trade between the two entities should be robust and productive.

Russia needs to get over the militaristic response to everything.  Nobody has grand designs on Russia, unless it's Russia's new bet ally ever China..

29 posted on 05/14/2014 2:20:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Kaslin
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30 posted on 05/14/2014 3:33:22 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: DoughtyOne
Russia needs to get over the militaristic response to everything. Nobody has grand designs on Russia, unless it's Russia's new bet ally ever China.

Nobody is more militaristic than a dominant European power, so keep your eyes on the EU. After Brussels takes control of the armed forces of its formerly-sovereign member nations, we'll see what a 21st Century fascist state looks like. There is a reason Brussels pressed EU and NATO expansion all the way to Russia's borders, and it has nothing to do with friendship and trade. Buffers help prevent wars from starting, and the old frontier buffers are gone.

I wouldn't be lulled into thinking that militarism is a thing of the past. Trade is as old as warfare; if trade could make great wars obsolete, it would have done so long ago. Things change, and they can turn on a dime. Human nature has not changed one bit.

31 posted on 05/14/2014 6:20:47 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

I agree in part. We’ll see what Brussels governance bring forth. You may be right. No, it’s never been my contention that trade would stave off a war. Germany was getting fairly good trade prior to WWII. Didn’t stop them.


32 posted on 05/14/2014 6:25:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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