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Judge Rules 13-Year-Old Can Abort Her 30-Week-Old Unborn Baby (UK)
Life News ^ | May 14, 2014 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 05/14/2014 3:10:44 PM PDT by NYer

A judge in England this week ruled that a pregnant 13-year-old girl can have an abortion, even though she is 30-weeks along.

Justice Mostyn ruled she was capable of making decision after the girl, known only as “A” in court documents, said she was not ready to have a baby. She was 21 weeks pregnant when the case went before the High Court in mid-March, making it so her unborn child is roughly 30-weeks-old now.

teengirl2The teenager, who lives with her parents, only realized she was pregnant when her grandmother spotted her growing bump and took her for medical tests, the London Daily Mail newspaper reported.

The abortion comes as, in the United States, a new report from the Guttmacher Institute finds teenage abortion rates are down to their lowest levels since 1988, a drop of 66 percent from that peak.

Here is more from the report:

The schoolgirl – who can be identified only as ‘A’ – is believed to have thought she had been gaining a little weight for other reasons.

A scan at a local hospital confirmed she was pregnant but the devastated girl said she was not ready to start a family at such a young age and wanted to have a termination.

The girl was 21 weeks pregnant when the case went before the High Court as an emergency hearing in mid-March.

The local authority, which is in the North of England, was forced to seek a declaration that the child had the capacity to make the abortion decision herself.

This was required to ensure that doctors and hospital trusts could not be sued if they carried out the medical procedure.

If the girl was not capable of fully understanding the situation, the local authority would be allowed to terminate the pregnancy if doctors believed it was in her best interests.

He said this was the case even if it might lead her to take steps ‘wholly contrary to her best interests’.

He said girl A was interviewed by a consultant psychiatrist who concluded very clearly that she had ‘a very clear understanding of her position and of the options that were available to her.

‘Those options namely continuance of the pregnancy, or its termination, were discussed.’

Mr Justice Mostyn said the law allowed a child aged under 16 to be given contraception if they had ‘sufficient understanding and intelligence’

The psychiatrist said that although A was ‘softly spoken’ she was able to explain to him that her wish was to terminate the pregnancy as ‘she felt that she could not cope with its continuance and it would stress her to a considerable degree.’



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1 posted on 05/14/2014 3:10:44 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Geez, my kid was born early at 29 weeks, and is doing great, that is truly terrible.


2 posted on 05/14/2014 3:12:32 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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To: little jeremiah; narses
A scan at a local hospital confirmed she was pregnant but the devastated girl said she was not ready to start a family at such a young age and wanted to have a termination.

She felt she was ready for sex, though, and that comes with consequences. If you're old enough to have sex, you are old enough to take responsibility for your actions!

Ping!

3 posted on 05/14/2014 3:12:32 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Feminists claim that men objectify women, yet abortionists (and their defenders) objectify the baby into something that is “not human” and “not deserving of basic rights”.


4 posted on 05/14/2014 3:12:55 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: NYer

Getting the baby out alive or dead isn’t going to be easy for a 13 y.o.

If she NEEDS to have the baby out, a 30 premature baby. has something like a 98% chance of survival. It’s obscene to order its death.


5 posted on 05/14/2014 3:13:37 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: NYer

If you are old enough for sex you are ready to have kids and get a job and rent an apartment to support them!


6 posted on 05/14/2014 3:15:42 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: NYer

Oh, are they forgetting something? Uhmm. Like how ( when, where and by whom) did the girl ‘get fertilized’ in the first place? The girl who was complimented for ‘being quite aware of her situation’, OK, so has she had Sex Education in school yet?
Does she know she can always say no?


7 posted on 05/14/2014 3:16:52 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: heartwood

Guess adoption wasn’t pushed as an alternative...she has carried the baby this long, why not allow adoption. I can’t even imagine the pain this baby is going to go through when they do the abortion.


8 posted on 05/14/2014 3:18:12 PM PDT by Engedi
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To: NYer
Is she ready to live with the fact that she will have had a viable human child-her own child-ripped apart inside her body when she could just induce labor early and let the poor child live? A parent I know once said that teenagers are “brain dead” until they're about 20. This one certainly lacks an understanding of basic facts of life.
9 posted on 05/14/2014 3:18:46 PM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Missouri gal
This is completely ridiculous. Adoption, not abortion, is the best for ALL concerned. She's already carried the kid for 30 weeks, fer godsake.
10 posted on 05/14/2014 3:21:13 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Missouri gal

I doubt that anyone has even brought it up. Someday she is going to realize what she did. It’s going to be brutal.


11 posted on 05/14/2014 3:21:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: NYer

“She felt she was ready for sex, though, and that comes with consequences. If you’re old enough to have sex, you are old enough to take responsibility for your actions!”

Easy for the males to say!

A friend’s wife tried to explain the child birthing experience to me as the following: “Just take your upper lip and stretch it over your head.”

Since then, I have been somewhat unwilling to tell a female what to do regarding child bearing.

YMMV


12 posted on 05/14/2014 3:22:43 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: GladesGuru

So murdering a child to avoid the pain, however severe, is fine?


13 posted on 05/14/2014 3:28:42 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Discarded fetuses for power? Hitler may have lost the battle, but he won the war.")
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To: aynrandfreak

A 30 week old child is viable virtually always.

That’s the threshold for lung capability without having to be intubated with artificial surfactant.

What this stinking “judge” just ordered is a murder.

The child could be delivered by C section, brought to term in a NICU - as you know - and be adopted by some people who aren’t murderers.

May they all roast in Hell if they do this.


14 posted on 05/14/2014 3:32:02 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: GladesGuru

Blame Eve. Millions of women have children all around the world. They survive. Stupid comment.


15 posted on 05/14/2014 3:32:15 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: NYer

American liberals, who are always holding up Europe as an example we should be imitating, somehow forget to mention that most if not all European countries have abortion laws that are more restrictive than ours.


16 posted on 05/14/2014 3:33:50 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: NYer
Studies Find Abortions Have Long-Term Effects

An Unexpected Correlation: The Legacy of Abortion

Study: Previous Abortions Linked With Pre-Term Birth and Cerebral Palsy

American Psychological Association Ignores Abortion-Depression Link

Study finds depression suffered by 80% of women who abort

Post-Abortion Counselor Confirms Abortions Cause Women Mental Health Issues

Abortion and Premature Birth Link Confirmed in New Study

Spanish Medical Expert: Damage to Women Caused by Abortion is Scientifically Proven

Science Catches Up with Religion Researchers prove fetuses have memories, know mothers’ voices..

Women Need More Mental Health Treatment After Abortion, New Study Finds

Teens Cope With Unwanted Pregnancies Better Than Abortions, Study Shows

New Study: Top Reason for Women's Abortions is No Supportive Partner, Father

New Study: Direct Link Between Abortion and Mental Health Problems

Researcher: Johns Hopkins Paper Biased on Abortion-Mental Health Issues

Abortion Linked to Higher Rates of Child Abuse, Study Finds

Women Want to Know of Abortion Risks Beforehand, New Survey Shows

Recent Poll Reveals Most Americans Think Abortion Hurts Women

Planned Parenthood Misleads Women on Abortion's Mental Health Risks

Study: Abortions Cause Future Relationship Problems, More Domestic Violence

17 posted on 05/14/2014 3:34:14 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: GladesGuru; NYer

The abortion is painful for the baby. Kinda like having your brain sucked out.


18 posted on 05/14/2014 3:36:30 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: NYer
She was 21 weeks pregnant when the case went before the High Court in mid-March, making it so her unborn child is roughly 30-weeks-old now.

I'm disgusted that the judge wants to kill the baby. I am almost as disgusted that it took nine weeks for the judge to reach that decision - thoughtful is nice but some decisions should be quick, particularly if they are already made. I am also quite disgusted that no one in the UK is asking who got this little girl pregnant and how to protect her from him in the future. All in all, this is not a high point for UK parenting, courts, or medicine.

19 posted on 05/14/2014 3:39:05 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: GladesGuru
I believe that there are many reports of women stating that passing a kidney stone was worse than giving birth. If that is the case, then men are on par with women's physical, painful experiences.

IMHO.

20 posted on 05/14/2014 3:39:24 PM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: NYer

Couldn’t the same reasoning be used to give a green light to infanticide? Which this pretty much is, I admit.


21 posted on 05/14/2014 3:40:51 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Pollster1

exactly. Who got her pregnant? How? Where were the parents?

Then again, it comes from a country where Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are allowed sex in the tents/camps.


22 posted on 05/14/2014 3:41:54 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: NYer

Sorry. I thought this thread said 30 year old. In which case the 30 year old would be able to say “Wait a minute Mum.” But at 30 weeks all the kid is able to say is “ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...................................


23 posted on 05/14/2014 3:44:34 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: NYer

This girl will undergo virtually the same “procedure” physically whether the baby is allowed to live or not. Only the most sadistic and unethical medical doctor could perform this heinous act on a 30 wk gestation child. May God have mercy on the souls of the judge and whoever pursues this clear cut case of infantacide!


24 posted on 05/14/2014 3:45:20 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: lastchance

If she were depressed and wanted suicide she would probably be allowed doctors to assist. Europe is as crazy as the left is here.


25 posted on 05/14/2014 3:45:53 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GladesGuru

Please don’t get yourself zotted after well over a decade on FR by going soft on abortion.

This forum is for informing, discussing, sharing, and even debating between conservatives. It is not a place where liberals get to debate conservatives. And being pro-life is a non-negotiable part of conservatism.

If you are on the fence on abortion, I suggest that you avoid conversations on this subject or find another forum, because this forum is 100% pro-life, period.

By the way, the pro-life movement consists of millions of women as well as men. It has nothing to do with men telling women what to do with their body. That is one of many lies that contributes to our global abortion problem. Being pro-life is about basic morality, humanity and decency.


26 posted on 05/14/2014 3:47:20 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Starstruck

At thirty weeks that alive child has been proven to be able to learn. This young devil is committing murder with the help of the state run healthcare system, because ‘the state doesn’t want to be punished a baby to take care of.’ The UK is in full rot mode.


27 posted on 05/14/2014 3:47:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: GladesGuru
Abortion at 30 weeks is far more traumatic, on every level, than childbirth. What do you think crushing that baby's head is going to be like? Dragging out the long lones, the thighs, the rib cage? And can they conceal from this child forever what butchery they have done inside her body?

She's being set up for lifelong emotional and physical suffering.

Not therapuetic. Not at all. For anyone.

28 posted on 05/14/2014 3:52:50 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I set before you this day Life and Death, a Blessing and a Curse.")
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To: MHGinTN
This young devil is committing murder with the help of the state run healthcare system,

I agree with you and all I can do is paraphrase my last post "Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa........................................"

29 posted on 05/14/2014 3:59:20 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: NYer

Sigh....I spent countless night shifts as a NICU nurse trying to help premature babies cling to life. 24-weekers were a challenge. 30-weekers were a piece of cake; they almost always survived. What a waste of human life.


30 posted on 05/14/2014 4:19:14 PM PDT by Wage Slave
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She is not ready to be a parent... THEN YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE SEX!!!!!!! the baby is not yours, it is a special person.


31 posted on 05/14/2014 4:27:16 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: NYer

One cna only note that there is no MENTION of a father
in this story. Having sex with a 13 year old or maybe
even younger is generally frowned upon. Does he have
any interest in the blob or fetus as it’s mismaned?
( I usually call it a baby, but that’s just me.)


32 posted on 05/14/2014 4:40:30 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: GladesGuru
"Since then, I have been somewhat unwilling to tell a female what to do regarding child bearing."

Yet what the baby suffers is far worse---dismemberment and death. Never lose sight of that.

33 posted on 05/14/2014 5:11:28 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Thommas

~I believe that there are many reports of women stating that passing a kidney stone was worse than giving birth. If that is the case, then men are on par with women’s physical, painful experiences.~

But..but...There is no CHOICE when you are passing a kidney stone! Hmmm? /s


34 posted on 05/14/2014 5:21:55 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: ExCTCitizen; All

We know next to nothing about the circumstances surrounding this pregnancy. This girl may be mentally challenged. She may have been molested by a stranger or a member of her own family. Even IF she willingly consented, a 13 yr old is not mature enough to make such a choice, i.e. statutory rape. I think it’s short-sighted and a little naive not to think she’s being very firmly pushed into an act of which consequences she cannot possibly understand.


35 posted on 05/14/2014 5:32:55 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: Wage Slave

My mother was a NICU nurse in an urban hospital — I can remember the stress she went through. It has to be one of the toughest jobs out there, not only the work itself but knowing some of the lowlifes that you have to hand over the precious baby to, eventually. God bless you.


36 posted on 05/14/2014 5:36:30 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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There will be two victims, the baby and the mother who is being influenced to kill her baby.

37 posted on 05/14/2014 5:39:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: workerbee

she’s being very firmly pushed into an act of which consequences she cannot possibly understand.


I am sure she is being very firmly pushed into this. Imagine if her parents, or other older relatives, or a charitable institution of some kind, or church, offered to help her with everything, guide her through the birth, and told her “We can find loving parents who will raise your baby so you will know that your child is being well raised.” Just imagine if she was given that choice.

I doubt she was.


38 posted on 05/14/2014 5:42:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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If she can have sex, she is ready to be a parent. Should she? No...


39 posted on 05/14/2014 5:43:10 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: NYer

If she wasn’t ready to start a family, she shouldn’t be doing what it takes to start one.

So where’s the fallout for a 13 year old having sex?


40 posted on 05/14/2014 5:43:35 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: GladesGuru
“She felt she was ready for sex, though, and that comes with consequences. If you’re old enough to have sex, you are old enough to take responsibility for your actions!”

Easy for the males to say! A friend’s wife tried to explain the child birthing experience to me as the following: “Just take your upper lip and stretch it over your head.” Since then, I have been somewhat unwilling to tell a female what to do regarding child bearing.

Well, I'm female and I'll say that too.

If she's old enough to have sex, she's old enough to take responsibility for her actions.

41 posted on 05/14/2014 5:46:34 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: ExCTCitizen
If she can have sex, she is ready to be a parent.

There are 30 yrs old who can have sex who aren't "ready" to be a parent.

How you so facilely exempt everyone who should be looking out for the welfare of this 13 yr old girl (13!!!) is beyond me; those with your attitude do much damage to the pro-life movement

42 posted on 05/14/2014 5:54:14 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: GladesGuru
A friend’s wife tried to explain the child birthing experience to me as the following: “Just take your upper lip and stretch it over your head.”

That's an old Bill Cosby joke. It's hardly a good excuse for murder.



43 posted on 05/14/2014 5:54:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: workerbee; ExCTCitizen

The 13 yr old made some very bad choices. How is murdering a baby going to change that? She’s obviously sexually aware and it doesn’t say she was raped. So murdering her child for the sake of convenience is “pro-life”? Nope.


44 posted on 05/14/2014 6:06:57 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: workerbee

Read the story, the psychiatrist said ‘Those options namely continuance of the pregnancy, or its termination, were discussed.’ Well, like some posters have said, the baby could have been delivered alive and placed for adoption. Even better, she could have continued the pregnancy and THEN put the baby up for adoption. It doesn’t sound like she was offered those alternatives, it was more like “you terminate the pregnancy or are stuck for life with a baby”. I hope there’s a very hot place in hell for people like that.


45 posted on 05/14/2014 6:11:25 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: DJ MacWoW

See #35. We have no idea what the actual circumstances of this pregnancy are. And where did I say I want the murder to take place? Hardly.


46 posted on 05/14/2014 6:13:55 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: NYer

It takes two... Who was the male? An adult? A 12-year old?


47 posted on 05/14/2014 6:20:33 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: workerbee
I did see it. If this had anything to do with rape that would have been stated to the court. It wasn't. The baby is being killed because" ‘she felt that she could not cope with its continuance and it would stress her to a considerable degree.’

And she isn't "mentally challenged" : If the girl was not capable of fully understanding the situation, the local authority would be allowed to terminate the pregnancy if doctors believed it was in her best interests.

He said girl A was interviewed by a consultant psychiatrist who concluded very clearly that she had ‘a very clear understanding of her position

48 posted on 05/14/2014 6:22:39 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: heartwood

Exactly...,c-section makes the most sense & there is no reason to execute the child


49 posted on 05/14/2014 6:26:16 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: workerbee
And where did I say I want the murder to take place? Hardly.

Btw, it certainly sounded like it in Post 42

How you so facilely exempt everyone who should be looking out for the welfare of this 13 yr old girl (13!!!) is beyond me; those with your attitude do much damage to the pro-life movement

50 posted on 05/14/2014 6:26:20 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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