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Florida MERS Patient Visited Two Hospitals
Boston Globe ^ | May 13, 2014 | Chelsea Rice

Posted on 05/15/2014 2:06:02 AM PDT by blueplum

On Tuesday morning in Florida, Orlando Health physicians and a state public health official spoke with reporters about the second MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome) case at Dr. Phillips Hospital, where the patient is currently being treated.

The patient with MERS initially came to Orlando Regional Medical Center to bring a relative in for testing, according to Dr. Ken Michaels, the health system’s medical director for occupational health. The care team admitted him to the hospital on May 8, when Dr. Michaels said the patient came to the emergency room at Dr. Phillips Hospital displaying possible symptoms of pneumonia. (The physicians continued to use the pronoun “he” in the news conference, although neither the patient’s gender or age have been confirmed.)

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It was reported yesterday that the patient flew on May 1 from Saudi Arabia to Orlando, Fla., making stops in London, Boston, and Atlanta before reaching his final destination. The patient is a resident of Saudi Arabia.

The mortality rate from the MERS infection, a coronavirus from the same family as SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome), is 30 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Symptoms of the respiratory infection include coughing, fever, and shortness of breath, which can lead to fatal pneumonia.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: camels; florida; mers; saudi
so was this guy sick and knew it and knew his best chances for survival was in the USA? or does this guy just like to sit around in public places across half the globe on a lark?
1 posted on 05/15/2014 2:06:03 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

Atlanta, London, Boston, Orlando.

Add up the numbers and he likely came in contact with 3,000 people as a minimum with the planes, the airport, the security folks, and the medical staff.

Statistically.....you’d have to figure at least ten got something from him, and they are spreading it currently. Unless luck just happens to occur....I don’t see how you avoid an epidemic on this episode.


2 posted on 05/15/2014 2:21:27 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: blueplum

I have to admit that I don’t think this was random. How many others like him are among us now?


3 posted on 05/15/2014 2:25:12 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: pepsionice

I’m really not a conspiracy-minded guy, but this has the hair on the back of my neck standing up!


4 posted on 05/15/2014 2:27:05 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping!


5 posted on 05/15/2014 2:28:41 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: pepsionice
CDC’s got their work cut out for them - several hours in Orlando General with the relative and those contacts, then 4 hours in the “very crowded” (I read in another article) waiting room of Dr. Phillips Hospital. I wonder if it's a coincidence that the first MERS patient in Indiana (Apr 28) was also a ‘health care worker’ from Saudi? Wonder if they know each other? USA Today reports the Indiana fellow is off oxygen and walking around, so that might be a good sign we have time for a vaccine or discovered a successful treatment regiment. Something seems off, tho.
6 posted on 05/15/2014 2:41:28 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

The connection between the two patients will be discussed at length, I think. They might know each other.

I would comment on this...having read a fair bit over the plague in London (1665). Getting some disease like this doesn’t mean you automatically die. If you have a weakened immune system (especially if you had TB)...your odds of surviving are pretty much zero. That plague in London really cleansed society in England a good bit, and left the strong to carry on for the next couple of centuries. I’ll also point out that various medical treatments discussed in 1665, sold to the public as wonder-drugs....had ZERO effect. Having people around to care for you...ensuring you didn’t get dehydrated, and that you got enough calories to survive each day....probably meant more than any treatment of the time.


7 posted on 05/15/2014 2:49:52 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: blueplum

I just read that this is not as “catchy” as we think.


8 posted on 05/15/2014 2:59:34 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

more info on Indiana fellow, admitted to Community Hospital, Munster, Indiana. ( I had to look up Munster - it’s a bedroom suburb of Chicago)

left Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, on April 24 and took two planes and a bus to travel back to Indiana via London and Chicago.
http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/1st-MERS-virus-case-in-U-S-concerns-California-5452707.php

Florida fellow was employed at a hospital in Jeddah, Saudi.

for now, it’s just kinda odd, I think. If a third one shows up, then more than odd.


9 posted on 05/15/2014 3:09:09 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: Sacajaweau; pepsionice

that’s a good thing for us. I think pepsionice is right about the level of care making a huge difference in survivability.


10 posted on 05/15/2014 3:13:50 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

Diversity is so grand isn’t it?


11 posted on 05/15/2014 3:19:35 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Jarhead9297

Not quite sure what you mean, but diversity is what keeps diseases like this from running through a population like a wildfire.


12 posted on 05/15/2014 3:43:29 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Sacajaweau

Not many people in the United States go around kissing camels.


13 posted on 05/15/2014 3:47:02 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: blueplum

Is this a biological attack on the U.S.?


14 posted on 05/15/2014 5:27:17 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: blueplum

Important note: the incubation period for MERS-CoV is usually about five days, but can be as long as 14 days.

In practical terms, when someone displays symptoms, it means that every human contact they have had in the last two weeks is at risk, and if they were infected, the clock is running for them to exhibit symptoms.

This is why potentially epidemic causing pathogens needs to be thought of as “coming in waves.” It also means that there are “troughs between the waves” that can last up to two weeks when nobody seems to be sick, and the inclination is to think the danger has passed.

It also indicates to some extent *how* the disease is being passed. If people are exhibiting symptoms sporadically, then they were likely infected one or a few individually. But if a whole bunch of people show symptoms at once, they may have all been infected at the same time.

Then there is as yet little understood phenomenon of individuals who are “super carriers”. Unlike most people, who might infect a few others, super carriers can infect dozens. The classical example is Typhoid Mary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary

And this brings up those who are infected and communicable, but never develop disease symptoms. Because of this they are seldom detected, so are not isolated, and can continue to infect during much of the time others would have been incapacitated with symptoms.


15 posted on 05/15/2014 6:43:52 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: blueplum

Has anyone read or heard any mention about the “families” these two MERS infected health care workers were visiting in the U.S.? The Indiana patient is supposedly a U. S. Citizen. The Orlando patient, a Saudi, was supposedly visiting family.


16 posted on 05/15/2014 6:49:24 AM PDT by wtd
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To: wtd; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; Global2010; ...
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

17 posted on 05/15/2014 7:17:24 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

How many others like him are among us now?

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Yeah, they are probably sending us more human bombs right now. Jihad by viral infection.


18 posted on 05/15/2014 7:32:26 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: ImNotLying

Not many people in the United States go around kissing camels.

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Someone posted an article related to MERS that described how many products used in the ME contain camel urine. This piece also claimed that they actually drink camel urine mixed with camel milk for health reasons.


19 posted on 05/15/2014 7:35:44 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

This is real peachy. Thanks for the ping Joe!


20 posted on 05/15/2014 7:52:39 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Yep, bio warfare without costing more than some plane tickets. Bio warfare like this (not saying this guy is, but as an example of simple bio terror) has been going on for centuries if not thousands of years. Example, Revolutionary War and smallpox. Brits infected Revolutionary troops.

“...There is no proof that anyone attempted to spread disease among the enemy troops during the American Revolutionary War, but there is a plenitude of circumstantial evidence. Almost from the beginning, Americans suspected the British were trying to infect their army with smallpox. Just before Virginia’s last royal governor, Lord Dunmore, departed from his base at Norfolk in 1776, the Virginia Gazette reported that his lordship had infected two slaves who had joined his forces and sent them ashore in order to spread smallpox, “but it was happily prevented.”
Report of failed smallpox plan

The Virginia Gazette reported the failed smallpox plot of Lord Dunmore.

Most British troops had been inoculated or had had the smallpox and were immune. In Europe smallpox was endemic, almost always present. Nearly everyone had been exposed to the disease from an early age, so most of the adult population had antibodies that protected it.

Most American soldiers, on the other hand, were susceptible. Because of less dense population, Americans often reached adulthood without coming into contact with the smallpox virus, and had no immunity. Some suffered inoculation, a procedure which usually produced a milder infection, but laid low the patient for days. George Washington faced a dilemma. If he ordered the general inoculation of the army, that would put most of his troops in the hospital at the same time—a certain disaster if the British learned of it.

Washington tried to get around the problem by ordering all new recruits who had not experienced the disease to be inoculated before they were sent to the main army. Hospitals were set up to undertake the work. Even with his precautions, at one time about one-third of the army was incapacitated with either the disease or the inoculation. ...”

http://www.history.org/Foundation/journal/Spring04/warfare.cfm


21 posted on 05/15/2014 7:58:14 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: stormer

/s there fixed it


22 posted on 05/15/2014 8:52:58 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: blueplum

Orange Memorial Hospital - great choice for a disease epicenter... People from all over the world come to Orlando.

If “Homeland Security’ wanted to do something to protect the American people (rather than protect corrupt paranoid democrats) they could start by restricting visitation from Muslim countries...


23 posted on 05/15/2014 8:57:50 AM PDT by GOPJ (Obama - when will you tell radical muslims to stop clinging to their guns & religion?)
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To: machogirl

You’re Welcome, machogirl!


24 posted on 05/15/2014 9:39:20 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Bigg Red

I am starting to believe it.


25 posted on 05/15/2014 3:39:52 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: Bigg Red; ImNotLying

Bingo, Red. I don’t think it’s the kissing of the camels that’s causing the (spread) problem.


26 posted on 05/15/2014 3:45:29 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: machogirl

One person in a state like Florida goes to Disney World for 2 days where people from all over the US and the rest of the world could infect enough people to take MERS back to most points in the world to infect people who infect others who infect others.


27 posted on 05/15/2014 3:50:23 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 05/15/2014 7:56:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

You’re Welcome, Alamo-Girl!


29 posted on 05/15/2014 7:57:32 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Exactly, no high tech dispersal needed.


30 posted on 05/15/2014 9:52:59 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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