Skip to comments.Segregation is making a comeback in U.S. schools.
Posted on 05/15/2014 4:55:51 AM PDT by MNDude
In New York, California and Texas, more than half of Latino students are enrolled in schools that are 90 percent minority or more, the report found. In New York, Illinois, Maryland and Michigan, more than half of black students attend schools where 90 percent or more are minority.
Project co-director Gary Orfield, author of the "Brown at 60" report, said the changes are troubling because they show some minority students receive poorer educations than white students and Asian students, who tend to be in middle-class schools. The report urged, among other things, deeper research into housing segregation, which is a "fundamental cause of separate-and-unequal schooling."
Although segregation is more prevalent in central cities of the largest metropolitan areas, it's also in the suburbs. "Neighborhood schools, when we go back to them, as we have, produce middle-class schools for whites and Asians and segregated high-poverty schools for blacks and Latinos," Orfield said.
Housing discrimination - stopping or discouraging minorities from moving to majority-white areas - also plays a role in school segregation and "that's been a harder nut to crack," said Sherrilyn Ifill, president of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, which argued the Brown case in front of the Supreme Court.
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Segregation is a government policy that forcibly separates races that would normally intermix. When races are separated because of voluntary housing patterns it is called life.
I’ve known several white people who moved to a new school district from houses they sold at a loss. Their children were being assaulted by blacks, sometimes daily. One, has a son who is not only white but a genius. The boy had to be escorted by a teacher to and from the bus stop and had to sit near the driver to prevent attacks. The son recently graduated top of his class in a much larger but primarily white school.
I pity parents who have to deal with today’s schools.
Segregation is great, look at what it has done for Detroit, Atlanta and other cities with such heavy black populations and leaders. Guess that is the best place for them.
The segregation is the result of the urban colonization by a black subculture that chose to live in isolation from America
Where’s the “Not This S**t Again!?” guy?
I do not believe this for a minute, people live where they want to live as long as they can afford it. I live in a small town where there are no black people. If I wanted to sell my house, I'd sell to whomever had the green backs and I believe that almost any seller would do the same.
Just another way of playing the race card - it never ends.
Segregation exists because blacks and Latinos purposely choose to live in areas where they will be in the majority. It doesn't matter how bad the crime rate is or that the schools there are just pit stops on the way to jail. Blacks and Latinos will choose 95%+ of the time to live near others of their race.
I have tried to talk sense to many of these people and they wont listen. There are apartment complexes in the suburbs that would put their kids in some of the best schools in the county, but they are not interested, and will only look for areas to live that are basically war zones.
Stop screwing, drinking, drugging, and thugging. Get some strong black men teaching and get the little maggots to sit down, shut up and learn. It's not their color it their damned victim mentality. They are victims of themselves. God as my witness I am not sure how much more of this BS I can stand.
It is natural for people to want to be with people who are like them.
I’ve got a bunch of black friends. They are just like me (that is, like the majority culture in this country). Same culture, same goals, same behavior. They are just people with dark skin.
Then there are inner city blacks who refuse to be like me. They don’t speak English, they are unprovokedly violent, they do not honor hard work (or life for that matter). They are a separate inferior culture that destroys whatever it contacts.
I will NEVER live close by to those of the inner city culture. They have made themselves enemies to my way of life, why would I want to be near them?
And so the whites and asians flee the cities to the freedom of the surburbs, leaving the inner city culture to rot the cities from the heart. And then the blacks complain about having unequal schools etc. Well when you chase the best and brightest away, you get stuck with whatever’s left.
Thanks God we are still free enough to move. Else our only option would be to start shooting and not stop until that enemy culture is no more.
What about Section 8? That's really not a voluntary pattern. Some [I'll take the familiar Democrat pundit unsubstantiated claim tack here] say that Section 8 housing is an intentional government plan to move the 'unfortunate' out of public housing directly into our midst.
A friend recently called me a racist. I responded that was an interesting argument from a liberal who lives in a Lilly white, gated community.
“90 percent minority or more”
That word they keep using...
Cultural assimilation would be the end of “racism”.
Funny how Asians, a minority in this country, do as well or better than their peers in school. Many colleges now deliberately discriminate against Asian students because there are "too many" of them for the social engineer types.
I wonder if family culture has anything to do with it? Blacks would likely have done as well if the Government hadn't stepped in and "helped" them and thus psychologically crippled them into a permanent dependency class. Now having broken Humpty Dumpty, how can a dependency culture be made whole again?
There is a trend here in CA where developers must build a percentage of low income housing into their proposed developement areas. You can’t get permits to build a nice gated community without including low income housing in or near it.
Back then it was just turning from a black working class neighborhood, where people not only owned their homes, but took care of them. That was the WWII generation. Now it just ghetto.
BTW even 20 years ago the cops would not come into the apartment buildings. You had to go out to them. We are talking apartment building that maybe only have 3 units as they were old converted houses.
But that is the way the blacks want to live, but quit blaming me.
” The report urged, among other things, deeper research into housing segregation, which is a “fundamental cause of separate-and-unequal schooling.””
Let’s conduct an experiment in New York City where progressives believe these studies. Forcibly redistribute people to ensure a racial balance and income distribution reflective of the city in every apartment building and housing project in the city. Move families from Motts Haven and Hunts Point in the Bronx over to 740 Park Avenue and force the dislocated billionaires and millionaires to move over to the apartments in the Bronx. White progressive billionaires can live in luxurious apartments, or decayed multifamily buildings, side by side with minority fourth generation welfare recipients.
Likewise redistribute the children around the city schools including private schools to achieve racial balance and ensure the income distribution is reflective of the city as a whole.
To make the great experiment a success, let the academics at Harvard and Yale determine what a living wage should be in in the city. Forcibly take the wealth of the rich and redistribute it to the lower classes so they have a living wage. At the same time prohibit the billionaires and millionaires from spending more than the living wage on food, clothing, shelter and discretionary items. Let Paul Krugman select a panel of academics and thinkers to work with him to make all of the arbitrary relocation and income redistribution decisions so we can be sure the experiment is conducted properly and fairly.
Run the largest progressive social experiment in history for five years and measure what happens. I should be enlightening for the participants and the observers.
the changes are troubling because they show some minority students receive poorer educations than white students and Asian students, who tend to be in middle-class schools.
That is not true: they get the same education opportunities as others: they are simply less prone to take advantage of it: there is not a difference in curriculum or any other “opportunity”.
I never went to school with a “person of color” from kindergarten straight through college.
I don’t think I missed a damn thing. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Well Mr Orfield what is your answer?
Should the Government force blacks or latinos to move from the enclaves in which they CHOOSE to live? Should their children be forcibly bused out of those areas to “white schools”?
Blacks tend to want to live in Democrat controlled areas. These happen often to be inner city areas.Will we now force people to live where they chose not to live?
UN Agenda 21 has the answer. Abolish private property, conduct a campaign of rural cleansing in the name of returning the land to its "natural state," and force all the white racists into government high-rise containment facilities on both coasts.
The government will decide where you live and what you do for a living. It's the only way to check "white privilege." And if that doesn't work, maybe concentration camps will teach them their proper place.
“...more than half of black students attend schools where 90 percent or more are minority. “
Uh...doesn’t that make them the majority? They’re not a minority if they’re in the majority.
I love this idea. New York city is a good place to start. How can we implement it. Maybe ex mayor Bloomerburg will be the first to move.
At the same time, there’s been a demographic change in public schools. Between 1968 and 2011, the number of Hispanic students in the public school system rose 495 percent, while the number of black students increased by 19 percent and the number of white students dropped 28 percent, according to the Education Department.
A black male teacher can discipline black students and no allegations of racism will be made.
A white teacher can discipline white students, and, again, no allegations of racism can be made.
One of the greatest stumbling blocks to maintaining order, and by doing so an environment conducive to learning, is removed.
No more "Check your privilege" BS, just compete. Do well--or not, but you can't blame anyone else--whoever you are.
Maybe it is time to take a step back to the days when the blacks I knew were emphatic that a good education was the key to success, before all the Liberals derailed that train and built the Welfare Plantation.
Forty years ago I remember seeing Alabama Gov. George Wallace on TV standing at the door of Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama in a symbolic attempt to block two black students from enrolling at the school.
In the natural course of events we have or are drifting depending on one’s POV back to segregation of the races. Who’d have thunk it. Why do all the government solutions worked so well in theory but never in the “real” world. I’m sure the media will say it’s time to find and prosecute those “white segregationists” who have been hiding all this time and pass some new laws to re-establish desegregation among the minorities.
As far as government education is concerned, I’m with what Bobby Jindall has advocated. Let the states give them vouchers, so that these minorities can choose the better private schools or the education they want. Let the crappy government schools die a natural death if they don’t improve the quality of their education. Get away from affirmative action and let the best schools enroll students by academic qualifications, not numbers. Get away from teaching to screwed-up government curricular, tests, and grading standards. Allow government schools to promote religion if they want.
Those minorities that “want to be educated” should be entitled to find the best schools for their qualifications and pursue an education in the career of their choice. If they fail academically, then so be it. Not everybody can be a doctor or a rocket scientist or a plumber or an auto mechanic. Some are so talented they could sell ice to an Eskimo, be a movie or rock star, or a sports legend without a formal education. And some are just plain stupid. I believe the John Wayne quote about life being harder if you’re stupid is fact.
As far as government housing and other areas of government control are concerned, I’m sure somebody else has some better ideas than the socialist bureaucrats in Washington.
Pardon me while I try to find my flame retardant jock strap.
If you read the article it seems the implied solution to segregated schools is to prevent segregated housing patterns. I’m sure that will entail more section 8 housing, $0 down o% low payment mortgage assistance,and soon to be followed by a program of forced “ willing buyer willing seller” at a “fair” government approved price.
Ditto. Anybody who would refuse to sell a house to someone whose ethnicity they didn’t like despite the buyer willing to pay at or above fair market value is not so much a racist as he or she is a moron.
I have friends from Nigeria. They want nothing to do with American blacks.
I am out here in the “white” fortress of Orange County, California. There are more and more Hispanic kids and fewer and fewer white kids. Even with forced busing as in olden days, it would be impossible to avoid majority Hispanic schools. What are the geniuses who like to dictate everything going to do about that?
It's not a rumor and no secret.
Here, the gov plainly states it:
"Housing is not limited to subsidized housing projects and can include homes and apartments that are located anywhere. Families can select from privately-owned apartments, homes and townhouses that the owner has made available for rent."
I’ll all for school choice and vouchers, but the fact is only the brightest black parents will take advantage of them. The great majority of parents of the black underclass don’t give a rip about what school their kids go to. And the low IQs and indifferent and/or hostile attitude towards learning of many of those kids will prevent them from getting a decent education anyway.
So, how’s that forced busing thing working out for ya?
Continue to tax the living s**t out of the white families until they leave or live in poverty.
Actually, that is the real plan.
Just most Americans have not seen it for all of the obvious reasons...
Yes, the bright minority parents want their children educated and the low information parents do not want to see that happen. Remember they want equality but at the lowest level. They want to physically and mentally intimidate the brighter students and their parents into accepting less than they can be.
As more minorities achieve success on their own through a better quality of education, the low information types will not be able to use racism and other things as an excuse for their condition.
Yes, dumbass people come in all colors and races and so do smart people. Ask anybody to deny this.
I suppose he wants to bus people from 100 miles away in to these mostly minority populated areas to decrease the ratio of local citizens in the school system just because they happen to be the same color. What are you going to do about the ratio of blacks and whites in African schools? Bus in students from other countries? On housing, poor blacks are living in what they can afford or in government housing (which for some reason is never located in white neighborhoods).
I was in Myrtle Beach a few years back and noticed that blacks had segregated themselves. They just were not comfortable in the “white” areas. They would do business freely but then go back to their neighborhoods. I also noticed a new “African Church” system in place. It seemed to be focused on blacks doing well and not on racism of any real sort.
” or in government housing (which for some reason is never located in white neighborhoods).”
Most of the original projects were build in white neighborhoods——most are still operating.
They were started in the late 40s and early 50s for veterans to get a start in life. The vets moved in,and moved on. Now the residents stay there forever.
So Asians are not considered minority students. This is just a follow-on to the California concept of two racial groups: "Blacksanhispanics" and "Whitsanasians".
And I would add, whites are technically a minority in California. A plurality, yes, but majority, no.
This is really about two things: Rich vs. Poor, where "rich" refers to middle to upper middle class individuals who can afford to move to a neighborhood with good schools; and ethnic/cultural groups who care about their childrens' education vs. ethnic/cultural groups who do not.
At some point, Obama/Holder/Clinton will demand a return to busing. White and Asian kids in the suburbs will have to get up at 5am to catch the bus for the one-hour ride to the inner city, meanwhile the buses will pick up inner city Black and Hispanic kids and deliver them to suburban schools. My niece experienced this about 30 years ago. There were two buses which came through the integrated neighborhood. One bus took the white kids to the elementary school 30 minutes away in a predominately black neighborhood, while the second bus picked up the black kids and took them to the school a half a mile away.
Its like that in Atlanta also. And a lot of it is $200,000 to $400,000 homes. Many many totally black subdivisions and nice ones. They prefer to live with each other as do Whites, Asians and Hispanics.
In the Metro Atlanta area you also see where the black kids are being bussed into affluent neighborhood schools the whites just put their kids in private school. So when school lets out in the afternoon if you didn’t know better you would think you were in a Black neighborhood.
Weissberg's conclusion after careful study was that the students and their families were the main culprits in their childrens failure to learn. The fact is there are programs for minority parents to get their kids into better schools. Most of the parents don't care, or the kids don't want to go the better schools. It's like the old adage about leading a horse to water.
School-wise, yes probably. I went to Jesuit Dallas, and we had a decent mix of people.
But most of my experience comes from the people I work with (AV within hotels, so the specific people each day gets mixed around), and the main thing I’ve noticed race-wise is the grouping. Blacks tend to group up, Asians tend to group up, but whites/hispanics not so much.
I first realized this right after Newt Gingrich was forced to resign after he got caught in his affair with the ever-present Callista.
He was my Congressman from East Cobb County where my family could be traced back before the Civil War. Always solidly conservative and a stalwart.
After he left and Clinton was re-elected, I began to see Section 8 types start showing up in all the older sub divisions there. At first taking the bus to work or driving a beat up bald tired hoopty. I even had minorities coming to my doorstep thinking they could buy my house and 2.5 acres for a $100K so they could invest in Section 8 income housing.
Where is East Cobb today? You still have those $500k and million dollar housing enclaves, but they are interspersed with many pockets of that kind of denizen (Section 8). If you go to the Walmart or nearly anywhere else, nearly all the employees are just like in Marietta on Highway 41.
It was done on purpose, actively. They wanted revenge on the district that elected Gingrich and they changed it’s demographics.
I left there in 2003 along with my sister and other relatives. That place is a dead wasteland waiting to happen.
“deeper research into housing segregation, which is a ‘fundamental cause of separate-and-unequal schooling.’”
Yeah, more big government dictates regarding where you live and where you want your children to attend school will solve everything.
For leftists, there is never enough control to please them.