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Donetsk Gives Ukraine Troops 24 Hours To Retreat, Threatening Force
The Moscow Times ^ | May 15, 2014

Posted on 05/15/2014 6:27:53 AM PDT by Fennie

The Donetsk People's Republic has giving the Kiev government until 9 p.m. local time on Thursday to remove Ukrainian troops from the Donbass region, a spokesman said, threatening to oust them by force if the ultimatum expires.

The leaders of the Donetsk militia on Wednesday night gave authorities 24 hours, until 6 p.m. GMT, to vacate roadblocks in the region, news agency Interfax reported Thursday.

"Reconnaissance groups and sabotage groups are ready to go and some are already in position," militia deputy commander Sergei Zrilyuk said Thursday, RIA Novosti reported.

The group has enough resources to ensure "everything will be destroyed and burned," if the conditions are not met on time, Zrilyuk was quoted as saying.

(Excerpt) Read more at themoscowtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine

1 posted on 05/15/2014 6:27:53 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

“The Donetsk People’s Republic”

Is that next to Kamchatka on the “Risk” board game?


2 posted on 05/15/2014 6:32:03 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

It’s more like “the break-away republic of Chechnya”.


3 posted on 05/15/2014 6:42:47 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Fennie
In other news, Serbians have twenty four hours to leave Kosovo before Albanian MUSLIMS vote for autonomy...

Did Bill Clinton lay the groundwork for Kosovo to be stolen from Serbia?

There is a way to keep what is happening in Ukraine from going on.

America, Russia, Europe, etc, all countries must adopt a permanent position of never, ever being hypocritical again in any natter.

4 posted on 05/15/2014 7:44:40 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Fennie

Donetsk “People’s Republic”? Has “People’s Republic” ever been used for anything other than communist countries? This isn’t a surprise. You see hammers and sickles, Che, and Lenin all over those separatists. What’s surprising is the name they chose is going unnoticed.

Russia will invade within the month. Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova are next.


5 posted on 05/15/2014 8:32:46 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Fennie

6 posted on 05/15/2014 8:33:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: demshateGod
Donetsk “People’s Republic”?

No no no, it's the Peoples' Republic of Donetsk. The only thing we hate more than the Ukrainians is the bleedin' Donetsk People's Republic....SPLITTERS!

7 posted on 05/15/2014 8:34:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: demshateGod

Yes, there were certain Russian gov’t officials that were overheard (guess their phones were tapped?) saying that Catalonia, Scotland and even Miami were next on their list to be “annexed.”

Undoubtedly this will occur after Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Moldova are invaded.

This is Emperor Palputin’s and Darth Lavrov’s plans...

Today theses areas, tomorrow the whole planet, the day after that: a galactic empire. /s

Those nations that are NATO members will not be invaded, and neither will any others. That is the most likely scenario. The U.S. and Europe should and will protect NATO partners..


8 posted on 05/15/2014 8:44:21 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: dfwgator

What do you mean “we”, Dallas-Fort Worth Florida Gator Fan? If we hate the PRD so much, why are we fighting to keep them in our country? I’m all for a violent overthrow of a corrupt government, even a “fairly” elected one, but we should understand there are consequences. The people in PRD who want to stay in Ukraine are living, breathing consequences. Ukraine should have said, “fine, go.” Now they’re going to have to fight until Russia comes in, or pull out and look stupid.


9 posted on 05/15/2014 8:44:44 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

Joke, it was loosely taken for the “Peoples’ Front of Judea” vs “Judean Peoples Front” skit in ‘Life of Brian.’


10 posted on 05/15/2014 8:47:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

NATO will NOT protect their partners. Those countries will most likely have huge portions annexed by Russia. NATO will not help because they’ve alienated the people with the will to fight (The American, heterosexual, Christian male).


11 posted on 05/15/2014 8:50:52 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Expanding NATO was foolish. Quick show of hands...who wants to get into a nuclear war over Latvia? How about Moldova?


12 posted on 05/15/2014 9:03:02 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Did Bill Clinton lay the groundwork for Kosovo to be stolen from Serbia? There is a way to keep what is happening in Ukraine from going on. America, Russia, Europe, etc, all countries must adopt a permanent position of never, ever being hypocritical again in any natter.

The ~40 million people of Ukraine had nothing to do with Serbia.

And it's pretty sick to think one should punish the Ukrainian people because Bill Clinton was wrong in Kosovo.

13 posted on 05/15/2014 9:50:30 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Orangedog

That’s the same sentiment that all the unilateral disarmament people expressed in the middle of the Cold War.

If we put PershingII missiles into Europe there will be nuclear Armageddon. Appeasement nonsense.

The reason Russia annexed parts of Ukraine is because they were not allowed NATO membership. The Baltics are low hanging fruit, but the Russia will not challenge NATO.


14 posted on 05/15/2014 9:54:44 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: demshateGod

quote-Ukraine should have said, “fine, go

Agreed, and pull out, don’t waste resources there, but
protect rest of the country, hold elections in a
new Ukraine. Protect rest so they don’t lose anymore.
Just let the hardheds go to putin..

Help people who want to be Ukrainian from the Donbass,
move west,encourage russian loving assholes move Donbass
or Russia..Then they can have leaders elected who
are not Russian stooges.Make a new country, that
can choose who to associate with, trade with,..Ed


15 posted on 05/15/2014 10:20:16 AM PDT by hubel458
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To: FreeReign
Would you have America play the hypocrite, just so that Obammy (who was embarrassed by Putin over Syria, and who is steaming mad over Putin dropping the hammer on homosexuals in Russia) will look good?

It is sick? Nope. Wrong on your part - big time.

Bill Clinton set a bad precedent. Period. Blame him, and call him sick, if you will apply that label to anyone. But many RINOS would rather lay into conservatives rather than place the blame where it belongs: Clinton

Because of Kosovo, we either allow what was allowed with Kosovo (illegal Albanians streaming over the border into Kosovo, they were allowed to vote, Serbians were ran out of Kosovo, and ultimately a vote for autonomy for MUSLIM Albanians) or we don't.

If Obama goes one way he is seen as weak, if he goes another, America looks hypocritical. Neither helps U.S. foreign policy.

16 posted on 05/15/2014 12:12:15 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: rbmillerjr

Hey, if you want to trade Moldova for New York City and DC I’m good with that.


17 posted on 05/15/2014 12:49:33 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

Mourir pour Moldova?


18 posted on 05/15/2014 12:50:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Fennie

So it sounds like the Donbass’s in Ukraine have to get out of Donbass, or there will likely be a war.


19 posted on 05/15/2014 3:37:27 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

20 posted on 05/15/2014 3:38:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: demshateGod
NATO will NOT protect their partners [including Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia].

It had better.

If it does not, NATO will be effectively dead. And there will remain no deterrent to unfettered Russian revanchism and expansionism.

21 posted on 05/15/2014 6:06:14 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Don't put words in my mouth.

Here's what I said, and the point still stands.


22 posted on 05/16/2014 8:09:44 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

If NATO can’t supply Europe with natural gas when Russia shuts off the pipelines, then it really has no relevance anymore.


23 posted on 05/16/2014 8:22:29 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: FreeReign
Nothing?

Bill Clinton, is that you?

Or is it FreeReign wanting one thing for Kosovo, another for other regions of the world, so that hypocrisy prevails on “autonomy” votes.

I just want an all-encompassing rule on autonomy votes that is the same in all places.

No relativism, no hypocrisy...just absolute standards - which any true conservative would want.

24 posted on 05/16/2014 8:37:30 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The ~40 million people of Ukraine had nothing to do with Serbia. And it's pretty sick to think one should punish the Ukrainian people because Bill Clinton was wrong in Kosovo.

Bill Clinton, is that you?

Gee let's see. I call Bill Clinton wrong and you respond by saying, "Bill Clinton, is that you?".

You're comment is utterly stupid.

25 posted on 05/16/2014 8:47:22 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

I said “Bill Clinton, is that you?” because you try to play it both ways, whether you realize it and accept this - or not.


26 posted on 05/16/2014 10:43:11 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: rbmillerjr
“The Donetsk People’s Republic” Is that next to Kamchatka on the “Risk” board game?


27 posted on 05/16/2014 10:47:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
said “Bill Clinton, is that you?” because you try to play it both ways, whether you realize it and accept this - or not.

Buddy, you don't have a clue.

28 posted on 05/16/2014 12:44:06 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Tonytitan
If NATO can’t supply Europe with natural gas when Russia shuts off the pipelines, then it really has no relevance anymore.

If not for an idiotic law favored by President Obama, the US could supply that natural gas.

The fundamental problem, of course, is Europe's having placed itself in a position of dependency upon Moscow in the first place...

29 posted on 05/16/2014 5:23:24 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: FreeReign

If what you said were true (which it isn’t) it would be like the pot calling the kettle black.


30 posted on 05/19/2014 7:09:24 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
You're the one who put words in my mouth saying that I was being like Clinton and that I wanted it both ways.

That, even though I had said that I thought Clintons actions wrong.

How utterly stupid can you be to persist.

It's like I'm posting to a 8th grader.

31 posted on 05/19/2014 9:36:17 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Back in post #13, you posted TWO lines under the italicized line which I wrote - the lines that you copied.

On line two you say that Clinton was wrong in Kosovo, in line one you said that Ukraine had nothing to do with Serbia. (Kosovo was part of Serbia).

And that is where you were wrong. You can’t have it both ways.

If the people of Ukraine are being punished it is because of Clinton - the U.S. cannot have a foreign policy that says we will make things up as we go along.


32 posted on 05/19/2014 11:10:37 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
If the people of Ukraine are being punished it is because of Clinton - the U.S. cannot have a foreign policy that says we will make things up as we go along.

As I pointed out earlier, there is no justification for the punishment of Ukrainians by Putin and the Russians. The Ukrainian people had nothing to do with Kosovo. Putin should not be involved with Ukraine.

The Ukrainian people weren't at fault for Kosovo.

Bill Clinton was.

Punish him.

33 posted on 05/19/2014 4:31:03 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

We, unfortunately, are left with Clinton’s legacy.

Clinton cannot be punished - which he could be when running for reelection. He isn’t now, nor will ever seek an office or a reelection. So, too late for what you are calling for.

But, we can take his foreign policy stance - making the Kosovo vote legal - and adopt that for all countries?

We have to remain un-hypocritical, right?

Being un-hypocritical transcends time and location. You don’t want to be a hypocrite, right?


34 posted on 05/23/2014 7:34:59 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
We, unfortunately, are left with Clinton’s legacy. Clinton cannot be punished - which he could be when running for reelection. He isn’t now, nor will ever seek an office or a reelection. So, too late for what you are calling for. But, we can take his foreign policy stance - making the Kosovo vote legal - and adopt that for all countries? We have to remain un-hypocritical, right?

Three points.

First, I'm for fair voting for self determination.

Second, whatever policies a corrupt administration carried out in the past will never be a factor in what policies I am for today. Anything short of that is unprincipled and disrespecting of inalienable rights.

Third, being consistently principled and respecting inalienable rights is what makes one non hypocritical.

Being un-hypocritical transcends time and location.

No, being true to principle and inalienable rights is what transcends time and location.

You don’t want to be a hypocrite, right?

And of course I'm not. You don't what to be unprincipled and disrespectful to inalienable right do you?

35 posted on 05/23/2014 8:29:05 AM PDT by FreeReign
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