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Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More (Returning veterans!) [from 2009]
The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2009 | Jennifer Steinhauer

Posted on 05/17/2014 3:20:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

IMPERIAL, Calif. — Ten minutes into arrant mayhem in this town near the Mexican border, and the gunman, a disgruntled Iraq war veteran, has already taken out two people, one slumped in his desk, the other covered in blood on the floor.

The responding officers — eight teenage boys and girls, the youngest 14 — face tripwire, a thin cloud of poisonous gas and loud shots — BAM! BAM! — fired from behind a flimsy wall. They move quickly, pellet guns drawn and masks affixed.

“United States Border Patrol! Put your hands up!” screams one in a voice cracking with adolescent determination as the suspect is subdued.

It is all quite a step up from the square knot.

The Explorers program, a coeducational affiliate of the Boy Scouts of America that began 60 years ago, is training thousands of young people in skills used to confront terrorism, illegal immigration and escalating border violence — an intense ratcheting up of one of the group’s longtime missions to prepare youths for more traditional jobs as police officers and firefighters.

“This is about being a true-blooded American guy and girl,” said A. J. Lowenthal, a sheriff’s deputy here in Imperial County....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fascism; scouts; veteransobama
Hitler Jugend or Kapo (prisoner functionary German: Funktionshäftling) or a little of both?
1 posted on 05/17/2014 3:20:56 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hope parents can straighten the kids out about the real threats. The kids just think of it as another airsoft game.


2 posted on 05/17/2014 3:31:15 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is like what my father in law talked about when he was with the 3rd. Army going into Germany. The German army surrender but the Hitler Jugend had to be killed to the last one. For them it was a religion not a fight.


3 posted on 05/17/2014 3:39:47 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: R. Scott

They try that in the real world, though, under cover of the law, and they’ll find out the difference between a soldier and a policeman, like those deputies in that Rambo movie. Many of the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans had four or more tours under their belts. And that’s not even talking about special operators, intelligence, airborne, etc. I know guys that could eat 20 or 30 of those kids for breakfast.


4 posted on 05/17/2014 3:40:14 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: lostboy61

5 posted on 05/17/2014 3:44:26 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They will have the numbers and the time to single out and over power,nthat is the way of the fascist...

This will not end well

Teeman


6 posted on 05/17/2014 3:58:55 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I seriously doubt kids will ever be used but it does prepare them to enter federal LEO service when of age.


7 posted on 05/17/2014 4:00:03 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: R. Scott

All kinds of countries use kids right now in Africa, the Middle East, South & Central America, Asia, etc. Things you never imagined 6 years ago are well within the realm of the possible in 2014.


8 posted on 05/17/2014 4:02:35 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: teeman8r

At first, yes, but when the word gets out what is happening?


9 posted on 05/17/2014 4:03:20 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: teeman8r
Militarize the boy scouts, nice. After they homo-genized them we now have a national fighting force as strong and as well equiped as our military. Sounds like I hear an echo in this room.
10 posted on 05/17/2014 4:03:33 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: ronnie raygun

True Brown Shirts they are becoming.


11 posted on 05/17/2014 4:11:22 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: R. Scott

I wish more of them would consider the military when of age. The number of young GOP members who have served in any capacity in my area is atrocious.


12 posted on 05/17/2014 4:19:34 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow a story from a Mainstream outlet in 2009 and it sounds like it came from the infotards site yesterday, boy we are really in trouble...


13 posted on 05/17/2014 4:21:13 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What we are seeing here is the increasing vilification of our own military personnel. It is a continuing effort to paint the picture that the real enemies of American citizens are our own former military personnel. The two worst enemies of American citizens and patriots sit in the WH and the attorney generals office. These vile Marxist pigs and their allies in Islam, and the various factions of foreign invaders, are the prime threats for they are organized and hold the power to kill thousands.


14 posted on 05/17/2014 4:25:33 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nothing is more terrifying than a 14 year old with a gun. However, such preparation as depicted in the article may be necessary for the hell to come.


15 posted on 05/17/2014 4:27:10 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Well......who will bell those cats?


16 posted on 05/17/2014 4:27:35 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The focus is a new aspect of the old established BSA/police Explorer unit program.


17 posted on 05/17/2014 4:30:02 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

About 10 years ago the local national guard unit had a recruiting drive that involved paint ball guns and local teens.

It was kind of neat helicopters, base camps about 20 local teens 50 60 guard members ect.

My son was picked to be on the resistant’s team.

The guard had all kinds of rules. I suppose to try and keep thing safe.

I told my son there are no rules.

First thing they did was attack when they were told they couldn’t.

2nd was hit and run hit and run.

Lets say the guard unit took a lot of casualties.

Fun and games for sure some good lessons learned.

When bullets start to fly in both directions there’s always a chance one could hit you.

Remember a lot of police officers are combat vets also.

My points ??


18 posted on 05/17/2014 4:40:13 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

Hamburger Hill..... Gunny Highway


19 posted on 05/17/2014 4:42:06 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hitler Jugend or Kapo (prisoner functionary German: Funktionshäftling) or a little of both?

That was the first thing that came to mind when I read this.

20 posted on 05/17/2014 4:43:19 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: R. Scott
I seriously doubt kids will ever be used but it does prepare them to enter federal LEO service when of age.

If they want to be LEO they've got to start out small; shooting dogs and tazing old women.

21 posted on 05/17/2014 4:45:48 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: MSF BU

“I wish more of them would consider the military when of age. The number of young GOP members who have served in any capacity in my area is atrocious.”

If it bore some semblance to a meritocracy more might consider it; when it became makework for minorities and women it became pointless. Obama wasn’t kidding when he said the troops were fighting for him; they serve under the president, even if he is a foreign Muslim. I can understand people joining the military only as an employer of last resort (and they should know the risks when they do so).


22 posted on 05/17/2014 5:02:34 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...Mexican border, and the gunman, a disgruntled Iraq war veteran Democrat, has already taken out two..."

There...fixed it.

23 posted on 05/17/2014 5:03:09 AM PDT by moovova
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To: ronnie raygun

“Militarize the boy scouts, nice.”

Scouts might not have the membership woes they have in my area if they did that. Parents lost interest in scouting when they did less and less outdoors (and more and more fundraising). Sixty years ago the scouts were practically feeders for the military, not a bad idea considering there was a draft and many people would serve in the armed forces at some point in there lives. Of course, back then there was a country worth serving; you didn’t have our president apologizing for our leadership.


24 posted on 05/17/2014 5:08:56 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“They try that in the real world, though, under cover of the law, and they’ll find out the difference between a soldier and a policeman, like those deputies in that Rambo movie. Many of the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans had four or more tours under their belts. And that’s not even talking about special operators, intelligence, airborne, etc. I know guys that could eat 20 or 30 of those kids for breakfast.”
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Roger That!


25 posted on 05/17/2014 6:23:05 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Boy Scouts were never intended as a pre-cursor to a law enforcement or military career. This is just another attempt by a facist govt to mold the minds of the young to the power of the state. It needs to be stopped like many other things that are going on in this country.

Sadly I never hear any of our GOP legislators talking about it.


26 posted on 05/17/2014 7:40:06 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MSF BU

Serve under a Communist CiC. Never!


27 posted on 05/17/2014 11:12:48 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hopefully not here.


28 posted on 05/17/2014 2:09:06 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: kearnyirish2

Then go into elite units or be good at what you do. The navy nuclear program doesn’t pass duds of any color. Airborne training remains challenging, though less so; Ranger training is tough as is USMC officer training. This business about “Obama is a POS therefore I am not going to serve” is baloney, IMO. Young patriotic men should go do something in uniform if they qualify. If for no other reason than they may need the training if we have a civil war.


29 posted on 05/17/2014 5:17:34 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: MSF BU

There are a lot more reasons to stay out of the military besides “Obama is a POS”; his predecessor sent Americans to kill (and be killed by) Muslims while calling Islam a “religion of peace” (as a Christian I know that is nonsense - non-Muslims have no peace anywhere Muslims make up even 1/3 of the population). This country wasn’t built with a large standing army in mind; if the Huron and French go on a tear again I’ll sign up with the Jersey Blues and defend our homes. People can prepare themselves better for a civil war by hunting/fishing/camping in nearby areas; that is where it will happen, and those will be the tools at their disposal.

A friend with two children who signed up (as the employer of last resort - no “patriotism” was involved) was concerned that her son might be injured/killed while he was in the Arabian peninsula. While I certainly understood that sentiment, she had no concern that her son might kill somebody he had no reason to kill (because the political mood of the day dictated so). Anyone who turns over their freedom to Caesar best be prepared to live with the consequences of doing that.


30 posted on 05/18/2014 4:09:18 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

It the concern is killing somebody, then go into the majority of occupational specialties that don’t involve that. Become a corpsman, medic, etc. As regards hunting & camping as a substitute for military training, that is absurd. The Croats who fought the Serbs had military training; the Finns who defended their freedom did so with military training. The BSA’s pioneering merit badge won’t cut it. Again, the bottom line is that the country needs young men to serve in uniform. If you take a pass, take a pass; don’t get sensitive when somebody points out you took a pass while the McCain and Hunter sons were on the front lines. Some families serve; others sit on their ass and watch.


31 posted on 05/18/2014 5:57:25 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: MSF BU

“If you take a pass, take a pass; don’t get sensitive when somebody points out you took a pass while the McCain and Hunter sons were on the front lines. Some families serve; others sit on their ass and watch.”

I’ll go a step further; I’m feeding, clothing, housing, and schooling the McCain and Hunter’s sons. I’m paying their fathers’ salaries as well. The money is gone; workfare is finished. Nobody in uniform today has done anything to protect me; they are serving others’ interests. If the military was securing our country instead of empire-building overseas, I might consider your points valid; as long as the Tsarnev brothers (despite warnings from Russia) can kill people here then don’t pretend those in Afghanistan are “fighting terrorism”.

The enemies that defeated us in Lebanon, Somalia and Iraq(and are defeating us in Afghanistan now) are doing it without formal military training.


32 posted on 05/19/2014 3:07:00 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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