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5 Aggravating Ways Grassroots Conservatives Screw Themselves
Townhall.com ^ | May 17, 2014 | John Hawkins

Posted on 05/17/2014 5:11:02 AM PDT by Kaslin

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." -- Matthew 7:3-5

The only thing that's easier for a conservative than beating up on an establishment Republican is thrashing a liberal. What we don't do so well is figuring out what we're doing wrong.

Most of the people critiquing grassroots conservatives are left-wingers or faux righties like Joe Scarborough, Jennifer Rubin, and David Frum who make a living by telling liberals what they want to hear about conservatives. Nobody respects what they have to say because everyone knows they don't have our best interests at heart. Listening to those mediocrities would be like Apple taking advice from Microsoft. Meanwhile, real grassroots conservatives aren't inclined to pee in their own fishtank because nobody really likes it. Let's face it: most of you would much rather read a clever column from me making fun of liberals than a column telling you what WE need to do differently. Instead of taking a hard look at ourselves, we have a tendency to drop into cliches. "We need to stick to our principles." "Stop listening to RINOS!" "Be more like Reagan!"

Let me suggest something different. In fact, if you don't remember another thing in this column, remember this and you'll have the gist of everything I'm trying to get across.

We need to CREATE MORE CONSERVATIVES. We can do that by getting more people to agree with us. We can do that by blocking liberal outreach. We can do that by winning culture wars. We can do it by helping people on our side who are effective. But, that's what it all comes down to: we need to create more conservatives.

Why are we failing to do that? 1) We're not reaching out to people who disagree with us:

Let me say something that most conservatives reading this column won't agree with: we don't deserve to get more of the black vote.

We don't.

Yes, it's true that liberal policies have been a disaster for black Americans and conservative policies would benefit them. It's also true that Republicans have been the real party of civil rights. Conservative Republicans fought slavery, Jim Crow laws, and segregation while liberal Democrats embraced all those things. Additionally, by and large, grassroots conservatives aren't racists. Sure, there are a few racist conservatives, just like there are a few racist liberals, but they're atypical. Grassroots conservatives love people like Allen West, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and Tim Scott just as much as Democrats love black liberals like Barack Obama.

But, do we do outreach to black Americans? For the most part, no. Do we show anything more than superficial concern for the issues impacting their lives? No. Are there conservative Republicans showing up in their neighborhoods, trying to make some kind of difference in their lives? No. Liberal Democrats have been a disaster for black Americans in almost every way, but do they do those things? Yes, they do. That's why they kick our behinds with black Americans....and guess what? The exact same principle applies with young Americans, single women, poor Americans, and Hispanic Americans.

That's why even pandering won't work. Because after the pandering on amnesty or Affirmative Action is done, most Americans who aren't already voting for us see no evidence that we care about what happens to them. When conservatives start showing them that we care and stop expecting them to come to us, we'll start to see a change in attitudes. 2) We’ve gotten lazy about making people's lives better:

Conservatives are good at talking about great principles. We can tell you why taxes need to be low, explain the importance of states’ rights, and give a good defense of peace through strength. Where we've gotten lazy and complacent is in actually taking those principles we believe in and pushing to implement them in a way that makes people's day-to-day lives better.

After all, why do most people vote for a politician? It's because they think somehow, some way that politician is going to improve their lives.

You know why it's important to keep the debt under control. I know, too. But, do you know why that doesn't work as a political issue? Ultimately, it's because the average person doesn't see it impacting his life right now in one way or another. Why did hammering Barack Obama on his "You didn't build that" comments prove to be ineffective? For the exact same reason. Why don't the American people care about taxes on the rich or corporate taxes? Because they're not rich or running a corporation.

On the other hand, the big reason Obamacare is proving to be such a successful issue for us is that it's hurting tens of millions of Americans and repealing it would make their lives better in a tangible way.

We do have lots of ideas that can be life-changing for a lot of American families, but we don't talk about them all that much. Vouchers and charter schools can get a good education for kids who are in failing school systems. Unlike Obamacare, our free-market-based health care ideas can actually reduce the cost of care and increase choice for the average person. We believe in law and order; so why aren't we pushing to put more cops in high crime areas so no American has to live in fear of drug dealers and gangbangers on the corner in his neighborhood?

If you don't have a plan to make life better for people, then what's the point? If we have a plan, but treat it like it doesn't matter, how can we blame people for thinking we don't care about them? 3) We need to focus more on entertaining than informing:

I like attending Tea Parties and I like speaking at Tea Parties. What I do not like is listening to a string of deadly dull speakers monotonously droning on about the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, and freedom until everyone is bored to tears. There are gifted conservatives like Mark Levin who can make that interesting, but most of those speakers are no Mark Levin. Meanwhile, the crowd looks like a bunch of kids stuck in detention on a Saturday afternoon. What's wrong with focusing on having a FUN event with a little education tossed in, as opposed to a classroom in the park where we're all supposed to be deadly serious? Do we want to reach out to college students? How about bringing in some bands and sneaking in a little conservatism on the side? I run a website that mixes a few conservative links with everything from bikini pics to articles on comic books. Guess what? Most of the readers aren't regular consumers of conservative fare and that may be the only right-wing info some of them are seeing in a week.

We do this with movies, too. Liberals put out movies like "Avatar" which focuses on an entertaining story with some liberal propaganda thrown in. In the rare cases when conservatives do make movies and do TV, we tend to make "An American Carol," which was so on the nose that a five year old could figure out that it's conservative propaganda in the first five minutes.

We've also ignored the very best cultural tool we have, which is the Christian church. Show me a devout Christian who takes his beliefs seriously and I will show you someone who's going to be perpetually disgusted by liberalism. Conservative donors, instead of pumping ten million into a couple of Senate ad campaigns for candidates who'll probably lose, how about buying a women's fashion magazine or a massive celebrity gossip blog and dragging the editorial direction to the center right? There's nothing wrong with a little wonkishness now and again, but it's a mistake to confuse that with entertainment. Make it fun and more people will come.

4) We get too impressed by the "more conservative than you" game:

The whole "Tea Partiers have thrown away lots of seats by backing bad candidates" meme pushed by establishment Republicans is mostly vapor. Yes, Christine O'Donnell was the wrong candidate to back, but after that, it's a lot iffier than people make it sound. Sharron Angle was a weak candidate to run against Harry Reid, but it's debatable whether any of her primary opponents could have beaten him. Todd Akin wasn't a Tea Party candidate and although Richard Mourdock said something dumb and lost a seat in Indiana, he was a decent candidate who blew it. That happens as the establishment-backed George Allen could tell you. You hear a lot about "electability" from the establishment Republicans, but they were the ones who stuck us with John McCain and Mitt Romney. How'd that work out? They also stood behind Arlen Specter, Charlie Crist, Lincoln Chafee and Dede Scozzafava. When you don't have a great track record of picking winners AND you bet the bank on liberal candidates who leave the party, you don't have any room to lecture other people on the candidates that they're backing.

So, that's not what I mean by the "more conservative than you" game. What I do mean is that we conservatives often become overly impressed by candidates taking conservative positions that have no hope of becoming law if they're elected. I like the Fair Tax, the flat tax, and Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan, but none of them is getting passed by the next President. I'm pro-life and I have no problem with a candidate who's against abortion, period, but everyone should recognize that the chance of the American people forcing women to bear babies after they've been raped is zero. In other words, Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock lost their races advocating a position that had no hope of becoming law in the first place. ANY CANDIDATE who tells you that she won't ever raise the debt ceiling is full of it. ALL THE GOP CANDIDATES in 2012 saying they wouldn't take a deal that cut the deficit $10 for every dollar of taxes raised? That's hogwash. There wasn't a person on that stage who wouldn't have taken that deal in the real world in a second.

Candidates take these great-in-fantasyland, not viable-in-real-life positions not only because they think you want to hear it, but because they're afraid they'll get called a RINO if they don't. I'm a big believer in voting for the most conservative candidate who's viable in a race, but it's time to stop being impressed with big promises we should all know these candidates have no intention of keeping. It doesn't make you "more conservative" to advocate an unrealistic position that isn't going to become law; it just turns off low information voters and moderates and makes you less electable. 5) We refuse to challenge liberal control of cultural institutions:

Liberals have completed their long march through America's cultural institutions and they control Hollywood, the schools, and the mainstream media. This gives them an ENORMOUS political edge because they're constantly feeding the American people propaganda through non-political channels. This is why polls of "adults" tend to skew 7-8 points to the Left.

Since there are twice as many conservatives as liberals, this is only possible because of conservatives’ support. We go to the concerts of artists who do fundraisers for Obama, we watch the movies of actors who say we're fascists, we don't complain when our kids’ teachers trash our values, and we buy newspapers that tell everyone we're racists.

Stop doing that, stupid!

You're paying people who hate you to insure that your grandkids wear rags and eat stone soup one day while they reminisce about how great America used to be before our generation ruined it. If a kid gets kicked out of school for saying "gun" in a sentence, demand that the principal be fired. If a musician does a fundraiser for Obama, don't go to his concerts. If an actor mouths off about Republicans, don't go to his movie. If a newspaper trashes Republicans, get your news online and use something else to line your birdcage. If an actor mouths off about Republicans, stop buying his products.

Stop being the guy who's worried about whether you're being polite enough to the guards who are forcing you on the boxcar and refuse to cooperate with the people who want to destroy your way of life!


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1 posted on 05/17/2014 5:11:02 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

amen!!!

Pompous,sanctimonious self righteousness loses elections


2 posted on 05/17/2014 5:21:23 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Kaslin

5 ways to spot a rino:

1. They write articles talking about how conservatives shoot themselves in the foot by not “moderating” their beliefs.

2. They brag only about being a “fiscal conservative or use terms like “I personally opposes abortion but”....

3. They come out in support of drug legalization or homosexual marriage by claiming conservatism calls for the government to stay out of it.

4. They appeal to, apologize to, and have voter outreach efforts to leftists who will never vote for them anyway. At the same time they pretend to be conservative only when there is a primary coming.

5. When they lose in a GOP primary they either endorse the dem or run as one in the next election.


3 posted on 05/17/2014 5:22:24 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo

You are spot on


4 posted on 05/17/2014 5:25:36 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
I'm a big believer in voting for the most conservative candidate who's viable in a race,

Another 'lesser evil' voter.

I'm not looking for a perfect candidate, but the candidate must be pro-life, pro-gun, against amnesty, against socialized medicine, and have a record of acting to make government smaller.

That's all. If a candidate meets those requirements, he/she can have my vote.

And that's why I couldn't vote for Romney.

/johnny

5 posted on 05/17/2014 5:27:37 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You are a litmus test conservative.

My way or the highway. America doesn’t matter if the litmus paper changes color


6 posted on 05/17/2014 5:33:57 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert
America won't change if the paper changes color. If you vote for a pro-abortion liberal republican, the result is the same as voting for a pro-abortion liberal democrat.

If you vote for a liberal, you are a liberal. Even if you vote for a liberal (R).

/johnny

7 posted on 05/17/2014 5:35:34 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bert
Voting for the lesser evil is why the republican leadership in congress says openly that they despise conservatives and spend millions against conservatives.

Voting for a liberal republican doesn't get America back.

/johnny

8 posted on 05/17/2014 5:37:37 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kaslin
We're not reaching out to people who disagree with us

Only squishes use therm "reach out". I've had enough reaching out, be good if RINOs could reach out to us instead.

9 posted on 05/17/2014 5:42:36 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin
 CREATE MORE CONSERVATIVES

Have more babies, lots more. Raise them in the fear and admonition of the Lord. The Ultimate Establishment is going to win with you or without you!

10 posted on 05/17/2014 5:43:01 AM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: bert
Candidates take these great-in-fantasyland, not viable-in-real-life positions.... 5) We refuse to challenge liberal control of cultural institutions:

The complete idiot who wrote this article can't see his own cognitive dissonance. Tea Partiers are more than able to challenge liberal control of cultural institutions, but we keep getting sand bagged by RINOs. You can't have RINOs shouting down Conservative ideas and expect those same RINOs to stand up to the msm twinks. A socialist (R) is a socialist(D). They need to go. Period.

11 posted on 05/17/2014 5:44:06 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Kaslin

Some good points there.

For instance, we don’t win by retreating from the culture war. We should be supporting and promoting good television, music, arts, and books. Its why I pimp AMC’s “Turn” as worth watching. Its good pro American patriotic TV with a strong historical story line and I want AMC to continue to make shows like it.

We should encourage good behavior from people we don’t much care from otherwise even if their motivations are different than ours. For instance Black pastors in Detroit are opposing gay marriage. For them its at least partly a turf war over grievance turf but that’s fine if it helps to advance our cause. We can worry about their grievances later.

Ideological jujitsu. Use left wing causes as a vehicle for advancing our own. CL Bryant suggests that conservatives should embrace black history month as a means of teaching the truth about the conservative inspired drive for equality and freedom.

Solutions over self righteousness. When we see democrat disasters like Detroit (and virtually every other city in the nation) don’t sit back and laugh. That encourages and empowers democrats to keep doing it and dragging the whole country along for the ride. Instead, seriously study the problems and look for solutions and promote those solutions to show what conservatism can do rather than proving what conservatism won’t do.


12 posted on 05/17/2014 5:44:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: bert

Comments of boot licking squishes ignored bump.


13 posted on 05/17/2014 5:44:28 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: bert

You just described the entire rat left.


14 posted on 05/17/2014 5:47:05 AM PDT by Post5203 (For the first time in my life, I despise this country.)
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To: Kaslin

John Hawkins is all over the place with this article. Sounds as if it was a speech he had written but couldn’t deliver in person after all.

Lots of points made but doesn’t seem to accomplish anything much. Maybe it’s just my allergies on a Saturday morning.


15 posted on 05/17/2014 5:51:02 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Post5203

Except for the part where they lose elections.


16 posted on 05/17/2014 5:51:26 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Kaslin

I think the article has it wrong here. Textbook liberal followers like to be lied to. They don’t care about what anyone can actually do for them. They like to hear what “sounds good” to them because it makes them “feel good” and they can then use their imagination to start believing it’s helping them whether or not it actually is. To a liberal, it’s not about truth. It’s all about how good it sounds and how good it makes them feel to hear it.


17 posted on 05/17/2014 5:53:33 AM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: icwhatudo

Concise and spot on.


18 posted on 05/17/2014 5:55:45 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: Kaslin

Looks like 5 recipes for failure to me. Especially the first one: we’re not reaching out to people who disagree with us. Anyone who has ever done sales realizes that you rarely if ever sell to someone who is pathologically opposed to buying your product or service. And focusing resources on people who are not interested in what you’re selling is simply flushing those resources down the drain.

Instead of focusing resources on those who oppose you, how bout spending resources on those who might be receptive?

Big picture, the conservative diaspora is more of a problem than any of these 5 issues. Conservatives are spread too thin geographically and have great difficulty being a dominant force really much of anywhere as a result.


19 posted on 05/17/2014 5:59:31 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: Kaslin
I see two basic flaws in this article:

1. The author makes it sound as if conservatives have a hard time winning elections because we don't do a good job appealing to voters. There might be some truth to that, but appealing to people isn't really the problem here. The voters are there, and they are receptive to the conservative message. It's the MONEY that isn't on board with the conservative message -- and by "money" I meant the corporate interests that finance election campaigns in this country.

2. Conservative candidates face an uphill battle when they're fighting against opponents who offer government money as a solution to all of the world's ills. The candidate who stands up and says we have to put down the crack pipe will always lose an election when most of the voters are crack addicts.

20 posted on 05/17/2014 6:05:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Theophilus

“Have more babies, lots more. Raise them in the fear and admonition of the Lord.”

The purpose of the school system is to sabotage the upbringing of your child so that they turn out to be liberals.


21 posted on 05/17/2014 6:09:37 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: RKBA Democrat

Couple of things to add here.

1. We fight to the death to vote for the most conservative candidate in the primaries and then take ourr ball and go home if that candidate loses. We did it in 2008 and we did it in 2012 and if history serves me right we will do it again in 2016.

Why do we do it and who gets hurt? If we win the senate, people like Cruz and Lee can produce bills that will have to be taken up by the majority in the senate. Not giving them a voice hurts RINO’s because it takes away what little credibility they have. With people like Lee and Cruz in the minority, their voice can be heard but their proposed bills would never see the light of day. In the majority, they are a force to be reckoned with.

It’s easier to take over the party once we have control of it. Being on the losing side does nothing. A couple of Tea Party candidates? A couple? Crap, we should be running minimum 50 candidates a cycle and that doesn’t include local elections.

2. We play by the rules because that is what our savior believes in. March a conventional army into the jungle and see what happens. We lose because we are afraid to go into the weeds and take on the left at their game. We praise Reagan but forget what Reagan did. He beat the Soviets by bankrupting them. And he did it without firing a shot.

Using an example of our strengths would be Chik FilA. That’s where we are our strongest. Going after companies. Going after institutions of higher learning, going after the “establishment” is where we excel. That’s how we beat them in 1776. look at what happened only this week with the brother on HGTV. We went ape$hit on Sun Trust and they changed their tune.

Y’all forgot something. We won our independence because we are the true revolutionaries, the best in the history of mankind. Look at everything Sarah Palin has done. She is a true revolutionary. Same with Cruz and Lee. Thing is we need to get people like that on the inside where they can effect change. If it means fighting for my life to get a revolutionary into congress, but failing that getting a party candidate in, we need the (R) candidate in if for nothing else as a placeholder.

We know what it’s like being in the minority and our opponent isn’t going to let up. We know what they want. We “must” take back the majority to free up our revolutionaries to do what they do best. Taking back America. And if means going into the jungle and playing the opponents game, so be it.

Take it for whatever it is worth. I hate the establishment with a passion. I tell myself every day that I hope the Graham’s, McCain’s and McConnell’s of the world would just vanish and die. The only ones that can do that are the revolutionaries. And they need to be in the majority to have the best chance because once they are on the inside, they can do the job given to them by “We the People.”


22 posted on 05/17/2014 6:43:45 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary"S)
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To: Kaslin
5) We refuse to challenge liberal control of cultural institutions

Not just that, but those right-of-center fail to challenge liberals on their positions, statements or allegations.

If the right-of-center would challenge to Liberal to produce facts or proof of statements they make, for example, the responses would be as loud as Hillary Clinton listing all of her accomplishments as SoS -- in other words, zero, none, nada, because Libs pull things out of the air and many have no factual bases.
23 posted on 05/17/2014 6:50:52 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: EQAndyBuzz
then take ourr ball and go home if that candidate loses.

Don't confuse not voting for a pro-abortion, anti-gun candidate for 'taking our ball and going home'.

If the GOP runs liberal candidates, conservatives won't vote for them.

/johnny

24 posted on 05/17/2014 6:56:44 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kaslin

I’d say #5 - the culture war - is probably the most significant failure of conservatives. Like the recent Mozilla kerfuffle, we all whine about how Mozilla didn’t give that guy who got fired a break, but where is the conservative alternative to these tech companies? What, there are no conservative techs out there that can create a safe haven (with financial support from us famous whiners?) Aren’t we always saying to liberals that if they don’t like a conservative this-or-that they should leave us along and create their own version that they do like? There are hypocrites on both sides. Looks like movie makers are breaking out - finally, but we’ve got a long way to go.


25 posted on 05/17/2014 6:58:49 AM PDT by MaggiesPitchfork
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To: Kaslin

bikini pics = entertainment

He’s very wrong on this point. This is anti-women and women make up a majority of the electorate. Liberals could populate their ads and committees with the most beautiful girls in the world, most models and actresses are libs.
They don’t do it because the visuals are wrong.
Libs purposely put frumpy ordinary looking women around themselves. You know women who look like the vast majority of women whose votes they’re after. Conservative pols need to pay attention to how they interact with women.

I completely agree with his last point. Quit supplying money to liberals and sacrificing kids to their schools. Too many conservatives mindlessly serve up a constant supply of lib ideas to their children and then wonder what happened when they turn out to be libs.


26 posted on 05/17/2014 7:01:07 AM PDT by Varda
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To: central_va

We’re not reaching out to people who disagree with us


Reaching out should be nothing more than articulating conservative principles, and inviting all to join the success bandwagon.

With blacks, tell them they have a choice: Dependency and desperation, or self-sufficiency and success.


27 posted on 05/17/2014 7:01:48 AM PDT by Freeping Since 2001 (Since 2001. Seriously.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
... voting for the most conservative candidate who's viable in a race ...

A Sneaky Snake response.

Many candidates, including many Dems, run to the right and govern to the left. FauxConservatives. They talk the talk during the election cycle and run away from the conservative positions as fast as they can if they win.

Heck, listen to Mark Levin's analysis of Hillary Clinton's speech yesterday. He thinks Hillary is already trying to position herself as the centrist candidate, to the right of potential Republican challengers. Her hubby did that quite effectively.

==

The hard part is separating the fauxconservatives from the real conservatives. Too many, even on FR, jump on the first bandwagon of a wannabe who says something they like. They fail to investigate further.

In 2008, for example, FR jumped on the Thompson bandwagon but failed to do simple research that revealed Thompson not only supported Campaign Finance Reform, but he chaired the committee that wrote that bill, which was initially called McCain-Feingold-Thompson.

Too many 'project' what they want their candidate to be, rather that what their candidate actually is. The bandwagoning has already started for some of the 2016 wannabes.
28 posted on 05/17/2014 7:01:56 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: JRandomFreeper

Fair enough. But you are going litmus test. So, how come our conservatives haven’t openly proposed that if you do not meet this criteria, we will not vote for you, period?

If you want a litmus test, then openly declare the litmus test and let the candidates fight. That’s my point.

I would take it one step further. I would go with a “I will only serve two terms” litmus test. If they don’t sign onto it, they are not getting my vote. Think how the rats will scuff at that, while America seeing the destruction will welcome it with open arms.

Forget conventional. Think revolutionary. We need that Mel Gibson in “The Patriot.”


29 posted on 05/17/2014 7:10:21 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary"S)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I've openly declared my tests for candidates.

Why the party doesn't use the platform as a test before supporting a candidate, I don't know. I'm not a Republican.

But then again, the GOP leadership wants to keep open primaries. They aren't interested in conservatism.

/johnny

30 posted on 05/17/2014 7:13:17 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Politics is the art of the possible.

It is ok, even prudent to dream, but only actions yields results. Running from the battle is a losing proposition no matter how pure the idealism


31 posted on 05/17/2014 7:37:23 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Kaslin

Levin Rule, period.


32 posted on 05/17/2014 7:39:08 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: bert
It's not possible to make America more conservative by voting for liberal republicans. Voting for liberal republicans only makes America more liberal.

If you vote for liberals, you are a liberal.

Even if that liberal is a republican.

/johnny

33 posted on 05/17/2014 7:39:23 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: icwhatudo
Why does this guy keep saying "we" when he says stuff like this?

2) We’ve gotten lazy about [using government for] making people's lives better:

34 posted on 05/17/2014 7:39:57 AM PDT by DManA
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To: JRandomFreeper
A platform = bubba bait.


35 posted on 05/17/2014 7:45:05 AM PDT by DManA
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To: EQAndyBuzz; KC_Lion

Conservatives are not in the majority of the US population. If you look at the political attitudes of the population at large, you’ll find that mitt was being optimistic in saying its 47%.

I’m all for for the good fight. I’m even for a good fight where we’re losing. I’m not for a battle that has already been lost. Conservatives are dominant in maybe a handful of states. Otherwise, we’re spread too thin over too many states to have any meaningful impact over time. It’s really a sort of conservative diaspora. Elections are merely reflecting the reality that already exists.

You can challenge that reality in two ways: try to convince those that don’t agree with us over a large territory of the error of their ways or try to concentrate your numbers in a smaller territory and become dominant over that smaller territory.

We’ve been trying the first strategy over a number of years. And what we have to show for it is a uniparty and the reality of a culture and politics that is further left than anything the socialists would have dreamed possible in 1980. The other alternative hasn’t been tried in recent days, but has been reasonably successful in the past, although usually more for religious rather than political reasons. Examples include the pilgrims and Mormons in the US, and the Jews more recently in Israel.

Frankly, I’m tired of trying to convince socialists that they’re wrong. I just want to let them live their lives as they see fit in the gulag of their dreams. While conversely, I want to be around people that I can more or less agree with in freedom and liberty.


36 posted on 05/17/2014 7:45:28 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Hey, I don’t disagree. If I was a RINO and no one was forcing me to truly change my views, why would I? Especially when I am in the minority and I have to go along to get along and get crumbs tossed at me in exchange for being non disruptive of the majorities agenda.

That changes being in the majority. Majority rules and after Harry Reid’s 51 vote nuke, it is open season.


37 posted on 05/17/2014 8:24:24 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary"S)
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To: RKBA Democrat

We don’t have to convince socialists they are wrong. Too narrow an approach. We need to convince America why we are the greatest nation in the history of mankind and we will not let this nation be taken over by the left.


38 posted on 05/17/2014 8:36:46 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: Gen.Blather
The purpose of the school system is to sabotage the upbringing of your child so that they turn out to be liberals.

Amen. The government school system is socialist by definition, essence and mission. It is poisoning the world.

39 posted on 05/17/2014 8:58:20 AM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: bert

The article made 3 points that don’t say anything.
“We can tell you why taxes need to be low, explain the importance of states’ rights, and give a good defense of peace through strength”.

Conservatives don’t WIN [notice I did not waste time with how they lose] because conservatives don’t make their case in what they intend to legislate if elected and how this will improve the country. Slogans and negatives is as convincing as they go. Where’s the Beef?


40 posted on 05/17/2014 8:59:34 AM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: Kaslin
"We're not reaching out to people who disagree with us:"

Two quick points:

Remember Rush's little comedy routine about the Liberal trying to negotiate with the terrorist whose sole objective is to kill him?

Why does no one ever call for them to reach out to us?

41 posted on 05/17/2014 9:14:51 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: RKBA Democrat

I have been shocked at how afraid of blacks and Hispanics republicans are, we should be associating with them and engaging them, and converting them.

I went to a young republican meeting in Southern California, and everyone was white and male, and when I asked where their black and Hispanic friends were, they seemed confused and a little sheepish.

I asked where the girlfriends and wives were, the only non white male there was Joseph Perkins, and his role was to speak.

I’m amazed at how limited so many conservative’s lives are, millions live in states where Hispanics are a huge part of their life and neighborhoods, yet I wonder how often most of them are engaged in beer drinking and politics with their Hispanic neighbors.

Those young republicans, who of course went to their 30s and 40s, seemed nerdish and protected to me, which is fine, most republicans are probably just suburban yuppie, and businessman types, but some of the conservatives need to be unafraid to have some of those booze fueled political arguments they love, with black and Hispanic co-workers, and friends.


42 posted on 05/17/2014 10:17:54 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: RKBA Democrat; Resettozero
I just want to let them live their lives as they see fit in the gulag of their dreams. While conversely, I want to be around people that I can more or less agree with in freedom and liberty.

The Problem is that they don't want to leave YOU alone.

They need the fruit of your labor to fund their projects.

To me the Answer is my tag-line, what Sarah Palin said: Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.

43 posted on 05/17/2014 11:33:02 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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