Skip to comments.Karl Rove warns Tim Donnelly will hurt GOP candidates nationwide
Posted on 05/17/2014 6:14:53 AM PDT by cotton1706
Karl Rove, the prominent Republican strategist, said Friday that Tim Donnelly will be a liability for Republicans nationwide if the tea party favorite finishes second in the gubernatorial primary election and advances to a November runoff against Gov. Jerry Brown.
"If the California Republican Party has as the leading candidate, the leading statewide candidate on the ballot this year somebody who has said the outrageous things that he's said and prone to the outrageous behavior that he routinely engages in, it will be used to tarnish not only the California Republican Party, but they'll throw it at everybody else on the ballot, and everybody else will, across the country, disavow the guy," Rove told the conservative talk radio host Hugh Hewitt on his show.
Rove said, "Every time he goes out and says something, and as we've seen, Mr. Donnelly is quite prone to sharing the weird recesses and corners of his mind, it could be really problematic for the GOP."
Rove's remarks come a day after former California Gov. Pete Wilson issued a similar warning, and other prominent Republicans have rebuked Donnelly, a former member of the anti-illegal immigration Minuteman Project. Among other controversies, he pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors after carrying a loaded gun into Ontario International Airport in 2012 and tried recently to tie his opponent, Neel Kashkari, to Islamic law.
Donnelly has dismissed warnings against him as coming from elite Republicans out of touch with the party's base.
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"We don't want anybody that's going to rock the boat. We don't want anybody that might say anything controversial, or do anything controversial. We must have only bland, go-along men."
And let's not forget that Rove has already said that Kashkari is the best candidate to "lose to Jerry Brown."
They do not want to win, or at least, they don't want a conservative to win. Rove would rather have Jerry Brown as governor than Tim Donnelly.
"If our guy can't make it, then let the democrat have it!"
rove is such an anti-Conservative cretin.
If Karl Rove and Pete Wilson told me that mustard tastes awful on ice cream I would have to give it a try.
What kind of guy carries a loaded gun into an airport? Please don’t try to defend the indefensible.
“What kind of guy carries a loaded gun into an airport? Please dont try to defend the indefensible.”
That’s your concern? Really??
The RINOs see themselves as supporting actors in a National Play staring the Democrats.
And the evil villain is always: The Conservative.
We ought to be able to find actual conservatives who aren’t also screw ups.
Any Republican hurts the Republican cause in California, regardless of WHERE they fall on the political spectrum.
California has become almost radioactive, and is a ticking time bomb, with nobody who knows how to disconnect the wires.
Karl Rove has spurned one of the great ready-to-mobilize assets the Republican party could have at its disposal, the T.E.A. party activists, who still have a smoldering anger at the divergence between what many if not most ordinary folks want, as contrasted with the “New World Order” that seems to be at the top of the Republican Establishment agenda. This anger would have been expressed most forcibly against the liberal Democrats everywhere, if the Establishment Republican’ts had not been running interference for them in the last four elections.
If I had a buck for every time a freeper said the exact same thing, I'd be eating prime rib three times a day.
Instead of the conservative in the race, Rove & Wilson want us to vote for the divorced Hindu RINO who is an anti-life, pro-homo “marriage,” anti-2A, pro-enviro nut.
Moonbeam is governor, Sandra Fluke is running for state senate in my district and Rove tells me not to vote for Donnelly?
...and the RINO in the race is pro-amnesty.
I think Karl Rove has brain damage.
“If I had a buck for every time a freeper said the exact same thing, I’d be eating prime rib three times a day.”
That’s very true. I’m one of them. I’d rather have a democrat than Lindsey Graham, and a democrat rather than Mitch McConnell. Because the two are very dangerous and vile oligarchs.
The difference is that the Establishment actually means to destroy us, because their interest is power, not the advance of conservatism and liberty. They’re very happy with an Arlen Specter or a Susan Collins, as long as there’s an “r” there so they can have power over the committees, etc.
They see absolutely nothing wrong with a Jim Jeffords switching to independent to thwart conservatism, with an Arlen Specter switching to the democrats after years of support, with Lisa Murkowski running as an independent to prevent a conservative from getting elected, whatever needs to be done to maintain power.
We conservatives are working to get conservatives elected, and to remove those in power that have been backstabbing destroyers.
Republicans NEVER, EVER remove their own corrupt, scheming members. Keep the seat, is the attitude. So we must do it, by whatever means necessary.
That mean, cruel Ronald Reagan, who had the NERVE! to actually want to win elections!
This is the real reason Rove and the RINOs want to discredit Donnelly in solid blue, overrun by illegal immigrants CA. They prefer the minority Rep candidate so they put another face on the GOP. They want comprehensive immigration reform so they can legalize the 11 to 20 million lawbreakers. Anyone defending the Rule of Law is a liability to Rove and company.
The true purpose of the Republican Party is to maintain the pretense, but JUST the pretense, that there is opposition to socialism.
The Republican Establishment DOES NOT WANT the kind of fight there would be if Republicans actually started to effectively oppose the Dem agenda. Why, they might stop getting invited to the good cocktail parties!
If you want an example of how ugly things get when you have somebody actually rolling back the Dem agenda, take a look at what Scott Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans had to deal with when passing Right to Work for government employees there, or Michigan with their right to work battle. It gets real ugly.
Rove has a track record of failure and has no business telling others what to do.
Ok, all Americans should carry loaded guns to the airport? I don’t understand your point.
Since forming a chapter of the anti-illegal-immigration Minuteman Project in 2005 and winning election to the Assembly five years later, Donnelly has given voice to a strain of conservatism marginalized in a liberal state. His unlikely candidacy for governor is a test of the durability of that ideology and its standard bearer on Californias broadest stage.
At campaign stops in recent weeks, Donnelly has courted tea party activists and rural voters enamored of a candidate who believes that the government wants to take his guns and that the cause of liberty is at stake in this election. His supporters dread the effects of gun control, benefits for undocumented immigrants and protections for transgender students, and Donnelly more effectively than most politicians taps into their anxiety.
In 2011, he rallied at the Capitol with Russell Pearce, the primary sponsor of a nationally watched anti-illegal-immigration law in Arizona, and he orchestrated a referendum campaign, ultimately unsuccessful, to overturn a California law permitting undocumented immigrants to qualify for state-funded college aid. Last year, in what he now calls a mistake ... going after people without a plan, Donnelly participated in a highly publicized but ineffectual effort to recall a handful of lawmakers who supported firearms restrictions.
Calling government the greatest threat to the very rights it was formed to protect, Donnelly tells his audiences: I want my freedom back.
Neither Donnelly nor this years other main Republican candidate for governor, Neel Kashkari, is likely to unseat Gov. Jerry Brown, a popular Democrat seeking an unprecedented fourth term. But whoever finishes second in the primary election in June will advance to a runoff against him in November, and Donnelly, whose candidacy was once considered little more than a ruse, is squarely in the running.
Earlier this month, he won the endorsement of the conservative California Republican Assembly, and state party convention-goers who applauded Kashkari erupted for Donnelly in cheers.
Tim! Tim! Tim! they shouted.
More than two months before the June election, Donnellys ability to run a lasting race is uncertain. Severely underfunded and with little name recognition outside his district, his paid media consists almost exclusively of Web videos, and news coverage of his campaign is dominated by personal controversy, some of it fanned by Donnelly for the publicity it affords him.
Most notable are questions about Donnellys gun use, after he pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors related to the discovery of a loaded firearm in his carry-on at Ontario International Airport in 2012. Donnelly, who said he forgot he had the gun, believes the incident can only solidify support of Second Amendment advocates.
If youre a single-issue voter on the gun issue, he told a gun store owner in Stockton, you have now had my message communicated to you very effectively.
If this is your biggest worry in life wake up and look around.
What kind of a cop shoots your dog?
What kind of a BLM arms up and tries to steal a rancher’s cattle and physically assault his family?
What kind of a DOJ runs guns across the border to the Mexican drug cartel?
What kind of an FDA raids organic co-ops and holds an entire family at gunpoint for 3 hours over some kind of food they have produced?
What kind of Supreme Court rules its OK to force free Americans to buy a product and then fine them if they refuse?
My concern is that we get sucked in to supporting an improvident person.
I always know where my weapon is. I do not carry it on to the military base, because that is against federal regulations. I CCW and maintain a valid CCW certificate on my person when carrying. I make concerted effort to carry legally. Never do I “just happen”to have my loaded gun pop out at the wrong time. I would never carry my loaded, or unloaded gun to the airport.
How about you?
Our former politician carried a pistol to the airport, but he was suffering from dementia, it was later determined.
I despise Karl Rove, but who carries a loaded gun with them to the airport?
We have had numerous incidents of celebrities who have done the same thing. He made a mistake. Does that make him some kind of nut?
In fact, the T.S.A. says the number of guns found at airport security checkpoints has been steadily rising for the last couple of years. Through Friday, 1,105 guns have been found this year, a pace that is higher than last years. In 2011, the total was 1,320, up from 1,123 in 2010, the agency says.
Security experts attribute the increase to two factors: a rise in gun sales and the sharp growth of so-called right-to-carry laws across the country that significantly relax regulations on carrying guns in many areas of public life, from colleges to hospitals.
Invariably, according to the T.S.A., travelers at airports with guns in their carry-on bags say they simply forgot they had them. Its almost always inadvertent rather than intentional, said David Castelveter, a spokesman for the agency
Please stick to the topic at hand; I am in agreement with you on most issues.
Rove is a strutting, porcine prick.
He is the best Republican General the Democrats have.
More important to kick the Bush ruling class and their Rovian sock puppets in the ass. Donnelly’s airport incident is nothing, not a show stopper, no big deal:
Airline passengers legally can transport firearms via airline flights, but they must be unloaded and contained in a proper carrying case that is checked into the baggage department, not as a carry-on, Melendez said.
Donnelly would not be alone in forgetting that his carry-on bag contained a firearm — 1,200 such incidents occurred nationwide last year, Melendez said.
Not in my book. However, ALL conservative politicians should be extra aware that the MSM and Karl Rove type RINOs will use gun indescretions as ammo to browbeat conservatives.
I am not a politician, but I maintain only one weapon so that I can be responsible for it at all times. Extra important for a politician. In all fairness, I’m sure a personal weapon is important for a politician’s security.
I love your point...you KNOW where your gun(s) are all the time. If only other folks would be so responsible.
And ITA...who brings a loaded gun to the airport?
To avoid any hassles at all...I make sure I clean out/clear out everything from my purse, briefcase, computer case, suitcase...whatever...every freaking time I go to the airport. Common sense and quicker to get thru the dang TSA line.
Re: the R gov candidate in California...I know nothing about him at all. BUT if Karl Rove is against him...I would guess I would probably take a hard look at the guy and end up liking him...just because Karl is a bloomin’ idiot.
Rove is a despicable opportunist. All true conservatives must remain squeaky clean to avoid his “friendly fire”.
Rove is a despicable opportunist. All true conservatives must remain squeaky clean to avoid his “friendly fire”.
I agree with you, If Karl Rove is against him, I would probably like him, too!
Well we disagree on this one fer sure.
What kind of a person carries a gun into an airport? I don’t know myself and Mr. GG2 would like to.
Who cares if the guy tried to carry a gun into the airport? He’s not a terrorist what would he do with it? He probably just forgot he had it with him. Although I think he was pushing the envelope for the second amendment. I don’t care if he open carries it to Mass and sits next to me in the front pew. I don’t care if he open carries to pick his kid up from school. If you are a law abiding citizen you should be able to carry a gun anywhere you want.
I’d vote for Donnelly just for having the stones to try to carry at the airport. I want to be rid of the police state not perpetuate it.
BS. Americans don’t go for squeaky clean Bushites because they are hypocrites holier-than-thou assholes.
Americans warm to Donnelly because he’s human and scratches his balls just like most of the population.
The reason California is lost is not because of stub bearded Donnellys or because Bushites perfume their farts, it’s because of Bush and his asshole capitulation to latinos in LA. California is gone because latinos took it over and they are firmly forever in the democrat column even as the Kalifornicated economy swirls down into its own cesspool.
Your post #20 is an excellent summary of the problem facing our country.
It’s not illegal to carry an unloaded gun in checked in baggage at an airport. See the link in post #29.
“Every time he goes out and says something, and as we’ve seen, Mr. Rove is quite prone to sharing the weird recesses and corners of his mind, it could be really problematic for the GOP.”
“What kind of guy carries a loaded gun into an airport? Please dont try to defend the indefensible”
Check the Constitution, it’s his right as an American citizen.
He should be keeping his snout out of GOP primaries. If he or his "consulting company" (read PR) is hired to endorse and promote someone, fine. But he appears to be hired also by unknowns who want a smear job done on someone, particularly someone the Tea Partiers like.
And Fox gives Rove constant exposure to build him up like he's some kind of elder statesman, a guru, a loveable little fuzz ball, the ultimate expert on all things political....and "fair and balanced", doncha know !
In addition to being told to "shut up", he should be exposed.....and we should try to find out who's paying him or his "consulting company" for his smear jobs during the lead-up to the primary.
Rove is a honey-tongued hired hit man in a Brooks Brothers suit, like Carville, who is also afforded regular exposure by Fox....and who is an advance man and shill for Hillary.
I think both Fox "analysts" (Rove and Carville) have definite conflicts of interests in their appearances on the Fox shows. They're both using Fox for propaganda purpose on behalf of their "consulting" paying customers....with the end result being that GOP conservatives will be "hit" by both of them on TV and elsewhere.
You are telling me that, as an American citizen, he has the right to carry a loaded gun with him to the airport? Is that what you are telling me?
If 5-6 passengers on each of the 911 planes had been open carrying we would never had had that disaster. Or the resulting police state we all lament on a daily basis. An unloaded gun does you no good.
I have, mostly when going on trips to places where (1) my CCW is accepted, and (2) where I might be around ugly areas.
I would carry to the airport, go into the mens room, unload and put it into the carrying case, declare it with my checked bags. At the destination, I would take my bags to the mens room, load up, put it in my pocket, and go to the taxi stand.
This so called political genius turned what should have been two walk off wins into an extra inning affair and come from behind victory.
His failure to properly message the good things that Bush was doing set the stage for Obama.
I too wish the cretin would just go away.
No he doesn’t have the right neither do Americans have the right to exceed speed limits on roadways; but they do, all the time.
It’s a minor infraction. He had the right to take his gun to the airport as long as it was unloaded. He forgot; he was forgetful; makes his human. How many of us have rushed to the airport and forgot something?
This is a minor incident blown out of proportion by Bushites who always jump up and down ranting about how their shit don’t stink. They never seem to get it through their thick craniums that they piss Americans off with the holier-than-thou hypocrisy.
So if you were in CA, you would vote in the primary for Neel Kashkari vice Donnelly because of the gun incident at the airport? I just don't view this as a big issue. He forgot it was in his bag. I have no idea what circumstances obtained when he was preparing for the trip. I believe he did forget it was in the bag, don't you?
I am not a politician, but I maintain only one weapon so that I can be responsible for it at all times. Extra important for a politician. In all fairness, Im sure a personal weapon is important for a politicians security.
This is really a tempest in a teapot. It has nothing to do with his character or ability to govern. They are also going after him because of his youthful indiscretions and a brother who committed suicide.
"Donnelly, 47, was born in Atlanta and raised in Berkley, Mich., a suburb of Detroit. He was the third-oldest of 14 brothers and sisters in a family that relied on food stamps for about six months and, Donnelly said, his high-school-age wages to buy milk. He told the Daily Press of Victorville in 2010 that he learned economics at the dinner table supply and demand. And he has joked in campaign appearances about siblings fighting over his room when he left home.
A self-described nerd in high school, Donnelly said in an interview he had a kid assault me over and over and over again his freshman year. One day, Donnelly said, his father told him to break the boys nose, and Donnelly took his advice.
I picked him up with one arm and I threw him up against the locker, and I said, Im ready to fight today, Donnelly said. And he crumpled, and I never had another problem with him.
But social life still proved difficult. The teenage Donnelly bought Jordache jeans with money he earned himself.
Well, I had people calling me ... names because I had good style, he said. And I had an altercation in the hallway with a kid, and I thought, You know what? Theres got to be something better.
Donnelly enrolled at a private Christian school and worked several jobs, including in a kiln room at a pottery shop and as a janitor at the school, to pay his tuition. He said his parents kicked him out of the house a month before his high school graduation. They reconciled, and Donnelly said he cannot recall exactly what precipitated the original argument.
Donnellys mother died in 2000. His father, who lives in South Carolina, did not return telephone calls for comment.
Following graduation, Donnelly attended University of Michigan for a year. Last week, he acknowledged that he was involved in a criminal case there after The Sacramento Bee questioned him about the incident.
I got drunk with my buddy, and we left his Sony Walkman in the hallway, and somebody took it, Donnelly told the John and Ken talk radio show. So we started looking for somebody who might have it, and we wound up breaking into somebody elses room and stealing a stereo from them.
Donnelly said he and his friend called the police themselves when they sobered up. He said the case was expunged but that the consequences were severe enough for me that I basically quit drinking not long after that.
Despite the support of conservative activists, many members of the GOPs professional and donor classes fear Donnelly, the Legislatures most outspoken gun rights and anti-illegal-immigration advocate, could damage the partys efforts to appeal to Latinos, independents and social moderates.
This resistance including the opening of an independent expenditure committee for Kashkari by Brent Lowder, a former executive director of the state party is one Donnelly has not previously had to overcome. His Assembly district, which runs to the Nevada and Arizona borders, is the safest of conservative enclaves, and representing local values not moderation or compromise is rewarded.
I think hes based the right way, said Rick Willsie, the head deacon at the church Donnelly attends on a wooded lot in town. He has a God mentality.
Religion is a persistent part of Donnellys public persona. On the night he first won election to the Assembly, Donnelly told the Mountain News, his local newspaper, The bottom line is the glory is the Lords, the battle is the Lords and the battle lies ahead.
He prays before speeches, and he has said the Republican Party needs to reconnect with the church.
Donnellys mother was deeply religious, and after Donnellys brother Paul E. Donnelly hanged himself in a Laurens County, S.C., jail in 2000, Donnelly spent time during the next eight years conducting a Bible study and life-skills class at a facility for inmates near his home.
In talking about his brothers death, Donnelly suggested he, too, has had suicidal thoughts, but did not elaborate.
Donnelly has focused far less on immigration in his current race.
I think we have to stop pandering, thinking that theres a different message because of someones skin color, because the colors of freedom are red, white and blue, Donnelly told a meeting of the California Republican National Hispanic Assembly. What I believe people want is they want to live free, and they want to get the government out of their way, so that we can all enjoy the bounties of liberty.
Donnelly has struggled to raise money since announcing his candidacy last year, and with just more than two months until the primary election he is operating nearly on fumes. In his most recent campaign statement, on Monday, Donnelly reported cash on hand of less than $11,000, a fraction of his opponents holdings and less than many candidates for city councils would find sufficient. Kashkari has more than $900,000, while Brown has nearly $20 million.
Still, Donnelly is holding his own in public opinion. Though trailing Brown by an enormous margin, Donnelly, with 10 percent support among likely voters, leads his closest Republican competitors by 8 percentage points, according to a Public Policy Institute of California poll released last week.
For Donnelly, the stakes are high. Publicity from his campaign could better position him for a potential run for Congress. But Donnelly abandoned his re-election bid for Assembly to run for governor, and if he loses he will be out of a job.
Donnelly said he is running to win. It is a quixotic effort, but campaigning appears to give him a lift.
Yep. An armed society is a polite society.
1. Jesus said something about being sinless as a prerequisite to casting Rovian-type stones, yet Mr. Rove is a ethical dolt.
2. The only person entitled to cast these otherwise cravenly-political petrocites died some two millennia ago.