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Landlord of veteran with service dog defends no-dog policy
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/landlord-of-veteran-with-service-dog-defends-no-dog-policy-1.2645760 ^ | 16 May 2014 | CBC News

Posted on 05/17/2014 7:00:06 AM PDT by COBOL2Java


The Nova Scotia landlord who gave an eviction notice to a military veteran, who has acquired a service dog to help deal with his post-traumatic stress disorder, is speaking out in defence of his building's no-dog policy.

David Peavey was medically released from the military nine years ago after being diagnosed with PTSD. He served for 18 years, spending time in Somalia, among other places.

His service dog Norm, which he just got this week, helps him to complete daily tasks and live a more normal life.

K.J. Gandhi, Peavey's landlord, recently gave the veteran a 15-day eviction notice — but that's been put on hold while the province's Human Rights Commission looks into the case.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doggieping; dogs; veterans

1 posted on 05/17/2014 7:00:06 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: COBOL2Java

Comments at the article seem to be running against the vet. Fantastic attitudes they have up there.


2 posted on 05/17/2014 7:09:21 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: COBOL2Java

Don’t really know what to make of this. The veteran has been out of service 9 years per the article. The article also reads like he was prescribed a service dog, but relates that his dog (I assume he already had) gained certification.

Frankly, I’ve actually seen and heard of people on airplanes that claim their pets are “emotional support” service animals and the like. Further, the article says this animal “helps him get through normal life, etc.” I’d like to know how, myself.

This is Canada (Nova Scotia) and I’m guessing that they have bureaucratic rules, regulations and the like that govern all this. Let them sort it out. To me, it isn’t like a US combat veteran being denied anything, and I’d want to know more about it before just jumping on that veteran bandwagon (I am one).


3 posted on 05/17/2014 7:10:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Very thoughtful post.


4 posted on 05/17/2014 7:15:15 AM PDT by samtheman
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5 posted on 05/17/2014 7:17:32 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Gaffer

I’m equally ambivalent about the situation. I’ve had contact with vets suffering from authentic cases of PTSD (some relatives), and it is very debilitating. If this fellow’s is the latter, then I’d grant him the benefit of the doubt.


6 posted on 05/17/2014 7:18:47 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Gaffer
So many stories coming out of Nova Scotia. What's up with that?

Time to call in Bubbles and have him fix this situation!


7 posted on 05/17/2014 7:21:08 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: COBOL2Java

Just move out fella! I wouldn’t live anyplace that didn’t want my dogs. In fact I would not have moved there in the first place if there was a “no dog” rule. Dogs are the best!


8 posted on 05/17/2014 7:25:42 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: COBOL2Java

About three months ago, I had my wife’s Explorer in for oil change, etc. and sat in the waiting room with a man a little older than me (64) and a young man who was waiting on his truck.

The young man was a born-and-raised country boy typical of my county. With one exception, he was fully 100% medically retired from the Army after serving in Iraq. He was a comm specialist in Iraq that traveled with convoys to maintain comms. He did 46 convoys, and the last one got him. IED got his truck, and he had to defend himself and others with his weapon. As he told it, he did kill a few Muzzies, but his demeanor, attitude and thought process told me so much more.

Most people don’t realize that IED explosions, often by HE devices like old 105mm shells rigged to detonate, carry with them one hell of an explosive trauma that is not always outwardly visible as wounds. What really happens is what can best be described as a scrambling of your insides - your organs, your bones - and your brain - take ‘shaken baby’ syndrome to it’s ultimate condition.

If you talk to victims of such, you’ll likely detect there just something isn’t right. I know one or two former Captains who’ve been there and seen troops like that still out there. He had it.

Thankfully, he doesn’t have to work, he has a wife and children and other family and friends who help him, and I could see him getting and having any damned kind of support animal he needs and would make any accommodation needed.

On this story, I just don’t have enough information to be able to tell.


9 posted on 05/17/2014 7:31:20 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: COBOL2Java

The landlord has a steady paying customer who isn’t wrecking the place. And he’s kicking him out. Hope he gets a guy running a meth lab next.

What a fool.


10 posted on 05/17/2014 7:31:33 AM PDT by DManA
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To: COBOL2Java

I’m a landlord, married to a vet, and dog owner and lover. We allow dogs if we meet them, they are not big and/or scary and there’s a pet deposit. Generally we’ve had good luck with that but I have scraped poo out of corners, dealt with a potential lawsuit when the next door neighbor was bitten, etc. If there is carpet in the unit (we own five), then we figure the age of the carpet and if it will need replacing soon anyway. We also think about the age of the dog. So the landlord IMHO, has a perfect right to tell the dog owner vet to scram. A big deposit might mitigate that. My dogs are therapy for me. In fact our nick name for our dachshund is Mr. Wiggles, therapy dog. You have to say it with enthusiasm and in a slightly higher than normal voice.


11 posted on 05/17/2014 7:33:40 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: samtheman
There's a really excellent scene in this movie (which, notwithstanding your opinion of the lead character) is actually a good movie in and of itself:


The movie takes place in post-WW I Wales. Hugh Grant (Reginald Anson) is a British cartographer who suffers from a mild case of post-war PTSD. In the scene I'm referring to, there is a young Welshman with severe PTSD. During a bad electrical storm with loud thunder strikes, he goes into catatonic shock (NOTE: The British at that time more or less used the Welsh as cannon-fodder).

All of the villagers avoid going near the poor man, who is lying on the floor shaking, but Anson rushes in to help him. The others scoff at what Anson's doing, but he spits back at them, yelling (it's been a while) "This was me! This is how some of us came home!"

12 posted on 05/17/2014 7:34:38 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Gaffer

The dog looks like an English Mastiff, we have 2 of them living next door, almost 400 pounds of dog flesh between them. Our neighbors have had 6 of these dogs in the last 20 years, they don’t live very long.

Also they are not the smartest dogs in the world. This dog is his companion,not his helper. If he needed a helper he should have gotten a smarter breed. But if people have been living there because it is a dog free zone, then the introduction of this HUGE dog would certainly be intrusive.

If he wants and needs this dog, and I certainly understand that, he just needs to move.


13 posted on 05/17/2014 7:39:52 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: DManA
The landlord has a steady paying customer who isn’t wrecking the place. And he’s kicking him out. Hope he gets a guy running a meth lab next.

What a fool.

I'd add what a bastard.

Who the hell does he think he is to do with his property as he wishes?

Hope he gets a guy who blows up the place. That'll teach him to this the place is his.

14 posted on 05/17/2014 7:44:10 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

He can do any stupid thing he wants with his property. Like kick out a good customer.


15 posted on 05/17/2014 7:46:24 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Gaffer

I met a man who lost parts of his memory as a result of service injuries. He has a dog that remembers for him—it leads him to his office in a large building, it leads him home—without that dog, he would be lost all the time (and probably would not be able to work).


16 posted on 05/17/2014 7:48:10 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: COBOL2Java

How sad. I hope that due to the publicity, some kind person will rent this man and his dog a room.


17 posted on 05/17/2014 7:50:25 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: exDemMom

This story doesn’t read like what you describe at all.


18 posted on 05/17/2014 7:55:27 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer; exDemMom
This story doesn’t read like what you describe at all.

The specific individual that ExDemMom describes in her post is in that story??? :-0

Let me help you out: ExDemMom is relaying the issue of how service dogs assist people with disabilities to a particular instance to which she is familiar.

19 posted on 05/17/2014 8:00:11 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: COBOL2Java

I’m done here. I gave my 2 cents. Take it as you will.


20 posted on 05/17/2014 8:03:51 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: COBOL2Java

.......love vets, am a vet, but this guy needs to move to where dogs like his are welcome. People have a right to not want to live with someone else’s dog!

He signed the lease. He needs to honor the lease.


21 posted on 05/17/2014 8:06:42 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Cen-Tejas

And the landlord needs to obey the law. Reading the article, looks like Canada’s law is similar to that is the US regarding service dogs.


22 posted on 05/17/2014 8:09:52 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Cen-Tejas
He signed the lease. He needs to honor the lease.

Well, that in itself is a good point. I hope the issue gets resolved satisfactorally.

23 posted on 05/17/2014 8:11:03 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: DManA

The landlord isn’t necessarily a fool. He could be saving himself a lot of grief and money.

I am a landlord. I had a tenant with a dog. Usually I don’t allow them but it was a ‘hardship’ case. What a disaster. The dog damaged the door frames, the furniture, the hardwood floor. The urine and poo was so bad my cleaning person refused to clean it.

If you think the landlord should be forced to accept this man’s dog, that doesn’t seem like a very conservative position. Liberals like to force citizens to do things they don’t want to do.


24 posted on 05/17/2014 8:33:09 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

No. In fact in #15 I said exactly the opposite. As a landlord you have to decide what size damage deposit protects you. That’s what it’s for (though every place I ever rented they thought the damage deposit was their by by bonus.)


25 posted on 05/17/2014 8:37:28 AM PDT by DManA
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To: COBOL2Java
If he didn't want to abide by the terms of the contract, he shouldn't have signed the contract.

We can't really criticize Ubama for not following the rule of law if we want to carve out exceptions ourselves.

26 posted on 05/17/2014 9:50:45 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Abby4116

You may have the prevailing point but I think any such law anywhere is intended to apply to seeing eye dogs and other such dogs not PTSD.


27 posted on 05/17/2014 10:16:35 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Cen-Tejas

I don’t know about Canada, but PTSD is covered under the ADA for service animals in the US (did you know that miniature horses can also be service animals in the US?)


28 posted on 05/17/2014 10:50:19 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: samtheman
the article says this animal “helps him get through normal life, etc.” I’d like to know how, myself.

Really?

Then go serve a couple combat tours perched on a God-forsaken little firebase in the 'Ghan.

Then come back and you won't have to ask that question.

29 posted on 05/17/2014 11:15:27 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: maine-iac7

IMHO:

If you don’t have PTSD, you don’t know what you’re talking about and should STFU.

Not all wounds are visible.

God bless our troops.


30 posted on 05/17/2014 11:33:58 AM PDT by Salamander (Black Ace Dog Handler)
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To: Ditter
Just move out fella! I wouldn’t live anyplace that didn’t want my dogs. In fact I would not have moved there in the first place if there was a “no dog” rule. Dogs are the best!

I agree. The last thing this vet needs is more stress. Go somewhere else where you can be comfortable.

I have some apartments and we have a no dog policy. Some dogs probably wouldn't be a problem. However, there is always a few inconsiderate people that will have a dog that barks all night, or isn't well trained and threatens people or animals. such owners are usually lax a picking up after their dog walks or let him dig up the landscaping.

In order to protect against the inconsiderate few, everyone has to be without the companionship of a pet.

31 posted on 05/17/2014 11:44:20 AM PDT by oldbrowser (This looks like a make it or break it point for America.)
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To: Salamander
WTH are You spouting off at -

my comment was in DEFENSE of our soldiers with PTS = DROP THE D - it isn't a 'disorder' - it's an injury, stop hanging 'Disorder' around their necks.

And I know dame full well -

32 posted on 05/17/2014 12:54:30 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Ditter

I liked Gaffer’s initial post, but you make an excellent point. To add to the dog-lover-vet-spouse-landlord.

Where is the consideration for the other tenants? Perhaps some of them moved there thinking “dog-free” means allergy-free, or even fear-free (yes, many people are fearful of dogs, I can only imagine a Mastiff). This is like advertising smoke-free hotels and apartments - only to find suddenly someone starts smoking in their rooms or down the hall. Worse when the owner makes the exception. If he wants to change his mind, he needs to warn the other tenants and give them time to opt out of their contracts or finish them.

The needs of the many outweighs the needs of the 1.

Maybe here it depends on the tenants - would they be OK with it?


33 posted on 05/17/2014 2:09:04 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: maine-iac7

If you retread it you will notice that I was vehemently agreeing with you and expounding a bit.


34 posted on 05/17/2014 2:13:56 PM PDT by Salamander (Black Ace Dog Handler)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I think what you lay out is exactly why some places say they’re dog-free, except for service or seeing-eye dogs. Apparently that exception doesn’t apply at this apt complex. I’d probably have to give the owner the benefit of the doubt on this one. Sometimes if you make one exception, a dozen others follow.


35 posted on 05/17/2014 2:16:18 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

Then it’s about time ADA (and Canadian equivalent) is re-examined. (Honestly I’d get rid of it altogether. I’m sick of all the freedom-hating rules.)

Some people’s “disability” is allergy to pets. If multiple people join the complex because it is pet-free, shouldn’t they be allowed to stay out their contracts without a pet there to set them off?


36 posted on 05/17/2014 2:21:14 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Ditter
This dog is his companion,not his helper.
If he wants and needs this dog, and I certainly understand that, he just needs to move.

These are your very astute and key points. He may need Gigantophydeaux, but he can save a whole lot of grief by moving. I am sure someone who knows about this will rent to him or help him find a place. Those big mastiffs are usually very sweet, (and kinda dumb) so I don't think there would be any dog temperament issues.
37 posted on 05/18/2014 4:20:29 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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