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Our Middle Class Has Been Outsourced To China (Thanks, Bubba!)
His Master's Voice | 5/17/14 | HMV

Posted on 05/17/2014 10:41:44 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid

Hillary will love to tell you about the economic miracle that she and her co-president foisted on the American public in the Clinton years.

What she won't tell you is that the economy that the Clintons claim to have turned around the economy ("it's the economy, stupid") was never an issue to begin with. Their own economic team revised the last quarters of the GHW Bush administration to positive growth. They were right in both regards, the economy can tip an election, and the American public was too stupid to realize it was actually good!

Give credit where it is due, however! The real transformation of the economy occurred when Republicans gained control of both the House and Senate, and Newt and company enacted the "Contract with America". The only thing the Clintons can be credited with is being pragmatic enough to not contest the will of Congress and the American people.

But this short-term reprieve was blunted by a massive long-term destruction of our economy.

Few seem to remember the "trade missions" to China, and even fewer may appreciate their massive long-term impact.

Boxers realize that a knock-out punch is the key to a quick victory, but attacking the middle is the best long-term strategy to destroy an opponent.

The trade missions married our business executive class with a new source of cheap labor. If you watch the rise of the Chinese economy, you'll see expansive growth in the years following these missions.

These Clinton policies left an empty shell of what was once the U. S. middle class. We are about to cede our economic leadership in the world to our own bad policies, initiated by the Clinton trade missions.

As Hillary rolls out her campaign strategy, we need to aggressively blunt any argument she might have regarding a positive impact that the Clinton Administration may have had on our economy.

Bill and Hillary were not responsible for the short-term gains, the Republicans were. They are completely responsible and should be held accountable for our long-term distruction.


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1 posted on 05/17/2014 10:41:44 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

That outsourcing didn’t stop when GWB took office. It didn’t even slow down for the 8yrs he was president.

Can’t blame this one on the dims alone.


2 posted on 05/17/2014 10:43:12 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Bushes and Clintons are just two sides of the same coin.


3 posted on 05/17/2014 10:43:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Black Agnes

Yeah, the Repubs as they presently are are just as bad. It’s like the old saying from “The X-Files,” - “Trust No One.”


4 posted on 05/17/2014 10:49:20 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid; nascarnation

nascarnation thinks the economy is a non-issue, since the troglodytes (in the absence of voter fraud, and I’m not prepared to dismiss it) re-elected Barry after four disastrous years.
And s/he may have a point. The parasites will keep feeding off the host until it expires and the body grows cold, regardless of how poorly the `brain’ does its job. They will keep voting for the dhimmi who promises them free s***.

Your argument pre-supposes a rational, ethical body of voters, i.e. American electorate.
Granted, her argument should be rebutted, for example, Slick saved a lot of money by gutting the military, like Barry. But they both turned around and spent savings on BS.

I believe a lot of blue voters are going to have the same morale problem conservatives had in `08 & `12, asked to vote for McCain/Romney; on the other hand, conservatives (not GOP establishment) will be motivated, assuming we aren’t served up another dud.
So yeah, we should fight, or at least unless JEBbie is forced on us. Shrillary shouldn’t be allowed to get away with that bogus claim.


5 posted on 05/17/2014 10:53:50 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Black Agnes
You can blame it on the consumers who thought that the cost of sending jobs overseas, reducing the number of tax payers while increasing their burden with unemployment benefits for lost jobs, and funding China's military instead of ours was less important than saving $.25 on foreign made bath towels.

Free trade only made it easier to send jobs out of the country. It was the consumers who made it profitable.

6 posted on 05/17/2014 10:54:55 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Lots of middle class jobs have been automated, and others, upon reflection, really didn’t need to be done at all.


7 posted on 05/17/2014 11:05:40 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Again; most of those in DC work for the same people and it isn't for the American people but those same folks of power and wealth force us to pay for all the sh!t they force down our throats. Governments have been over thrown and kings, queens and rulers executed for much less.
8 posted on 05/17/2014 11:07:12 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: Black Agnes
"That outsourcing didn’t stop when GWB took office. It didn’t even slow down for the 8yrs he was president. Can’t blame this one on the dims alone."

Amen. Clinton started it but Bush put exporting jobs on steroids when he permanently removed any restrictions on China becoming what had been called favorite trading partner. Obama has continued this. Job exporting came crashing down on Bush before he left office and the nation has been stuck with it since. We need another Perot who can hear the job sucking sound caused by unbalanced trade agreements.

9 posted on 05/17/2014 11:30:00 AM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Actually, I haven’t seen much of anything get even 0.25 cheaper since it’s been outsourced. Even though the manufacturer no longer has to worry about any environmental/pollution concerns, employee health care, safe facilities or even paying those employees more than 0.25/day.

But sometime in the early ‘00’s when I went to the store (including department stores) to buy bath towels, shower curtains or socks, I noticed that I no longer had any ‘Made in USA’ choices with those items. And finding any that WERE Made in USA was no mean feat. Trying to find socks that weren’t made in Pakistan (they support terror, why are we trading with them?) required an all day escapade to 5 or 6 different stores.


10 posted on 05/17/2014 11:36:36 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Plenty of connected lawyers and others DC got rich over the hollowing out of US industry and building up Chinese industry. Sending our industries to China. The retarded liberals with their global warming should be happy now. WE have a lot less industry putting CO2 into the atmosphere. Now China is. But the libs rattle on about all the pollution here and how to hobble our economy even more by shutting down power plants by putting impossible costly emission controls on them. Due to global warming


11 posted on 05/17/2014 11:37:39 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Black Agnes

I agree.

America needs to return industry right here.

Unfortunately neither party, is the one who can do that.

They are both completely sold out.


12 posted on 05/17/2014 11:40:41 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
the economic miracle that she and her co-president foisted on the American public in the Clinton years.

Complete crap. The biggest fallacy since the "FDR saved America" blah, blah, blah, bullsh*t.
13 posted on 05/17/2014 11:54:16 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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14 posted on 05/17/2014 12:05:35 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: DManA

It is rather interesting that people say we need “factory jobs” when they are unwilling to work in a factory themselves. And let’s not get started on our federal government, that hates factories in the first place.


15 posted on 05/17/2014 12:19:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ex-snook

MFN status simply means that the country (China, in your case) uses the same tariff-rate that other nations with the same status do.


16 posted on 05/17/2014 12:21:54 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DManA

“Lots of middle class jobs have been automated, and others, upon reflection, really didn’t need to be done at all.”

The structural efficiencies permitted by the Internet are almost immeasurable. Milton Friedman observed this. Other technologies have also done jobs in. Look at GPS. When is the last time you bought a map? Who prints them. Who sells them. Who makes them. Who makes the paper for them?

Even computing isn’t what it once was. In the 60’s,70’s, and 80’s, many companies had their own proprietary CPU, operating system, tools, sometimes even chips, and entire ecosystem of peripherals. Now, almost everything mainstream runs on a very small number of architectures with (generally) commodity parts and peripherals. What happened to all those people who designed and built this stuff? How many people at this point need to know how to design a CPU? Or, there are maybe five companies in the world who make disk drives. So, how many disk engineers does the world need? Not many.


17 posted on 05/17/2014 12:25:17 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: 1rudeboy

What big business wants is a “Just in time” work force.

Bring exactly the right person for a job, pay him only for that piece, then he goes away.

If it isn’t working in a country of 350 million people it isn’t going to work if you include the rest of the world either. And they expect the rest of the country to support the imported worker when the job is done?


18 posted on 05/17/2014 12:26:55 PM PDT by DManA
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To: 1rudeboy

“It is rather interesting that people say we need “factory jobs” when they are unwilling to work in a factory themselves. And let’s not get started on our federal government, that hates factories in the first place.”

Well, they would rather be at home and draw. Not art, but a check.

It’s hard to believe how many people the car manufacturers employed 40-50 years ago, people with no college degree, people who knew they were in it for a very stable life, bought a nice house, sent the kids to college, bought a boat, and retired comfortably with no worries. These days, that kind of “boring job” sounds strangely attractive.


19 posted on 05/17/2014 12:29:07 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I’ve never seen a choice in one store between a USA made towel and a Made in China one.

Maybe you are upset consumers like lower prices, but the types of immediate choices you are talking about rarely exist in real stores.


20 posted on 05/17/2014 12:48:50 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: sunrise_sunset
Maybe you are upset consumers like lower prices,

No, I look at the big picture, and see the cost of lost jobs, money lost in unemployment benefits, and lost tax revenue that could have funded our military and space program but instead funds China's. When you factor all of that and more, that $.25 you save on a Chinese made toothbrush doesn't sound like such a bargain.

but the types of immediate choices you are talking about rarely exist in real stores.

That's not always the case. In the hardware store, I'm always finding American made choices, and I choose to make it profitable to keep those jobs here by buying them. That's one example.

21 posted on 05/17/2014 1:09:37 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Completely agree.

We need to equalize out our imports, and our exports.

We have wildly overdone imports, and now we need to bring back American jobs.

America needs jobs.

Jobs.


22 posted on 05/17/2014 1:11:54 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: 1rudeboy
It is rather interesting that people say we need “factory jobs” when they are unwilling to work in a factory themselves. And let’s not get started on our federal government, that hates factories in the first place.

If you had worked a few months in a factory you might have some economic common sense. A service economy is a bulshit economy but even now tons of service jobs are being outsourced or computerized out of existence anyways. And those were the jobs Americans were supposed to get as we sent factories/manufacturing to China
It would be a lot better for this nation to have lots of factory jobs like we once did. If I had to I would work in one. But they are in China so there is no possibility for millions of Americans

What' keeping this miserable economy halfway afloat is Federal Reserve pumping money into it since Obama was elected plus Federal borrowing and spending. Also the energy sector and farming. Plus some of the manufacturing

23 posted on 05/17/2014 1:55:40 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw

I appreciate that you think that I’ve never worked in a factory. That, and your implication that I do not understand about what it really means is important. /s


24 posted on 05/17/2014 3:20:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

George H.W. Bush negotiated NAFTA pior to Clinton taking office. He was an is a globalist statist. His administration also negotiated the agreement that resulted in the formation in the WTO in 1995. Finally, he failed to enforce integrity of the southern border (i.e. the amnesty bill passed under Reagan). Illegals began streaming across the border under Bush, pushing down wages.

Clinton merely continued the “free trade” and loose immigration policies started under the senior Bush. The junior Bush continued the Bush/Clinton policies. He was responsible for the CAFTA free trade agreement and he tried to get another immigration amnesty bill passed.

Both major parties carry out the agenda of large multinational corporations and Wall Street investment firms to the detriment of the middle class and small business. Big business wants another amnesty bill and wants to unload employer paid health care on the government. Big business wanted to outsource manufacturing to Asia and shed its US workers.

Goodbye middle class.


25 posted on 05/17/2014 3:58:05 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Sure a factory “making” potato chips or Ho-Hos


26 posted on 05/17/2014 4:36:34 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw

How about steel fabrication? Does it count? Can you count?


27 posted on 05/18/2014 1:10:27 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Soul of the South

NAFTA was Reagan’s idea. He also made the decision to jumpstart the Uruguay Round, which led to the creation of the WTO.


28 posted on 05/18/2014 1:13:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Black Agnes

It would not have continued had it not been for the initial outreach by the Clintons.


29 posted on 05/18/2014 3:54:49 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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