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Karl Rove: I'd Prefer to Get Amnesty Done in Lame-Duck Session (vile oligarchs!)
breitbart.com ^ | 5/17/14 | Tony Lee

Posted on 05/17/2014 2:40:58 PM PDT by cotton1706

Republican strategist Karl Rove suggested that he would like Congress to pass amnesty legislation during the lame-duck session of Congress, but he also said that immigration reform could get done "early next year."

President Barack Obama said that there were only "two to three months" left to pass amnesty legislation this year, but the CEOs of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers said this week that they hoped amnesty legislation could be the "final act" of the lame-duck session. Rove has courted pro-amnesty business executives for donations to his political action groups.

"The Speaker wants to get this thing done, but he wants to get it done in a way that unites the country," Rove said on Hugh Hewitt's radio show on Friday. "So my suspicion is we’ve got a better chance of getting comprehensive immigration reform done in the aftermath of the election or early next year." In fact, Rove expressed a preference "to get it done in the aftermath of the election."

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and other GOP leaders declared on Wednesday that Senate Republicans would "absolutely" try to pass amnesty legislation if Republicans win back control of the upper chamber next year.

Rove, while a White House adviser for President George W. Bush, helped Bush push for comprehensive immigration reform--a failed attempt that saw the conservative base revolt.

Rove stated that Obama "did not do himself or the cause of immigration reform any good by allowing" his confidant and senior adviser Valerie Jarrett to go to Las Vegas on Thursday and say that the White House had a "commitment" from House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to act on amnesty legislation. Boehner's office denied that such a commitment was made, and Jarrett walked back her remarks on Twitter Friday.

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Of course he would, so that those that passed it either couldn't be held accountable at all (retiring or defeated members) or not for another two years.

Pass it as far away from an election as possible.

The people be damned! That's their attitude.

1 posted on 05/17/2014 2:40:58 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Bush called him Turd Blossom. George should have followed that thought.


2 posted on 05/17/2014 2:44:30 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: cotton1706

how many people wish that rove would be the latest example of spontaneous human combustion ?


3 posted on 05/17/2014 2:44:32 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: cotton1706

Rove you are part of the problem.

GOP get with it. Bring back jobs to America.

STOP TALKING about immigration.

We need jobs. Not immigrants.


4 posted on 05/17/2014 2:47:55 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: cotton1706

GFY

Fat limp d I ck bass tu hd


5 posted on 05/17/2014 2:49:26 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: cotton1706
"The Speaker wants to get this thing done, but he wants to get it done in a way that unites the country," Rove said on Hugh Hewitt's radio show on Friday.

Even Karl Rove can't possibly be that stupid, can be? There is NO WAY to get amnesty 'done' in a way that will unite the country.

6 posted on 05/17/2014 2:49:40 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: cotton1706
Rove stated that Obama "did not do himself or the cause of immigration reform any good by allowing" his confidant and senior adviser Valerie Jarrett to go to Las Vegas on Thursday and say that the White House had a "commitment" from House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to act on amnesty legislation.

WTF? Rove is upset that Jarrett spilled the beans? But Rove is spilling the beans himself!

The precedent for lameduck action is the 1994 Mexican bailout. After the Repub sweep in the 1994 elections, Newtie conspired to get the lameduck Congress to pass the bailout, which was overwhelmingly opposed by grassroots conservatives. That showed where Newt's loyalties lay, as this does for Karl Rove. But it was a surprise coming from Newt in '94.

7 posted on 05/17/2014 2:52:41 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I’m quite sure their concern about jobs is on the other side of pay ledger.


8 posted on 05/17/2014 2:52:50 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: kingattax

I can only hope for the worst to happen to that waste of flesh and hope it happens by an illegal alien.


9 posted on 05/17/2014 2:54:41 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: MUDDOG

Not only that. Remember that they got GATT (general agreement on tariffs and trade) through in that same lame duck session, while the democrats still had control, and with Gingrich and Bastard Dole’s help.

THEY DON’T LIKE ELECTIONS. THEY DON’T LIKE THE PEOPLE GETTING IN THE WAY OF THEIR SCHEMES.


10 posted on 05/17/2014 2:55:01 PM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

Is this Rove the same Rove formerly known as “Rove You Magnificent Bastard”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1731653/posts


11 posted on 05/17/2014 2:55:40 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Uniting the country is the opposite of what the elites want. They want the US, and particularly its middle class, to be as weak as possible.

That way they can run amok with few consequences.

Kind of like lords and kings in the middle ages. Which is what they think of themselves.


12 posted on 05/17/2014 2:55:55 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Wolfie

That is the problem today.

Our entire system, is built on selling out American workers.

America became the greatest country in the entire world, and amassed the foremost industry as a result.

In just one generation, a relatively small group of “owners” has sold out America.

To China.

China is a massive communist nation, which doesn’t even grant to us, full ownership.

This is f’ed up.

America needs to turn around, and bring back American industry right now.

We need to produce things.

Right here in America.

Stop selling out our very own nation.


13 posted on 05/17/2014 2:57:15 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: cotton1706

Yes! Good point! I get that stuff mixed up 20 years down the road. Now that you mention GATT, it makes me unsure about the Mexican bailout. But I think it was in the lameduck session.


14 posted on 05/17/2014 2:58:23 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: cotton1706

Maybe those 200+ murderers the INS released to the public can all move into Karl Rove’s house, see how much he enjoys it..and they are NOT “Immigrants” I hate that term “Illegal Immigrants” they are CRIMINALS..calling them immigrants is an insult to those who immigrated to this country LEGALLY


15 posted on 05/17/2014 3:00:57 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: cotton1706

All part of the large global agenda.


16 posted on 05/17/2014 3:04:04 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I’m with you, but when the CEO’s want 5 vacation homes because 2 just won’t do (because that’s Capitalism dammit!), this is what you get. And in an era when your political voice is in direct proportion to your bank account, good luck changing that.


17 posted on 05/17/2014 3:04:06 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: MUDDOG

Doesn’t matter. It was around the same time by the same people. It’s all part of the New World Order crap, a world without borders, one currency, all under the happy UN. We’ve shifted jobs and trillions of dollars to worthless hell holes, to international bureaucrats and dictators in thousand dollar suits.

It’s the same old game, the people against the aristocrats.


18 posted on 05/17/2014 3:07:22 PM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706
Karl Rove: I'd Prefer to Get Amnesty Done in Lame-Duck Session (vile oligarchs!)

Karl, you are officially now tedious.
Who cares what you prefer?

Go away, already!

19 posted on 05/17/2014 3:08:42 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good grace to resign!)
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To: Wolfie

Well what is happening right now, is the GOP is selling off their own voters. So are the democrats, but I do not want them to solve this.

America needs jobs.

God help us all, if democrats beat the GOP to this realization.

I’m just saying, bring back jobs to America. Our government probably needs to somehow change our system in some way, to equalize the contest.

But America is hurting.

We are 17.5 trillion in debt, that debt is (rapidly) increasing, and we ran a trade surplus with China last year of over 300 billion. That has been growing every year.

I’ll just repeat.

Whichever party figures out the America needs jobs first, will win.

I do not want democrats to be that party.

GOP stop selling out your very own nation.


20 posted on 05/17/2014 3:11:48 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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Rand Paul's immigration speech
...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let's start that conversation by acknowledging we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.
[Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg]
Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform
Latinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but "Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration." ...he would create a bipartisan panel to determine how many visas should be granted for workers already in the United States and those who might follow... [and the buried lead] "Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers...
[Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie]
[but he's not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]

21 posted on 05/17/2014 3:12:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: cotton1706

Regardless of if its a good idea for the nation, when you get to the votes question I think this might be a pretty simple thing to accomplish legislatively.

Assuming the GOP leadership has made strategic committee assignments already and can bring amnesty to the house floor.

D - 199
R - 233
vacant 3

So by my math a majority only needs 217 to pass ( assuming 3 are still vacant ). To get to 217 you only need 18 GOP to support amnesty. I strongly suspect they can get to that number. If I have it right filibuster in house isn’t possible so preventing a floor vote by keeping the bill in committee is the only real shot..

In the Senate the filibuster would take 40 ( or 41 I’m unclear ) votes to maintain. If 5 GOP senators are ok with amnesty then it will come to a Senate vote and will definitely pass with 53 D votes at a minimum.

Curious if anyone else sees the actual vote count analysis differently or if I missed anything.


22 posted on 05/17/2014 3:12:48 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Sorry in paragraph 6, “we ran a trade deficit...” not a trade surplus.

(just a fix)


23 posted on 05/17/2014 3:13:47 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: cotton1706

Wonder how much this rino would be in favor of amnesty if one of the imposters select 36,000 special felons came up and touched old Carl nice and close and personal?


24 posted on 05/17/2014 3:14:24 PM PDT by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Bookmark


25 posted on 05/17/2014 3:16:14 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good grace to resign!)
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To: cotton1706
Reposted:

Amnesty equals the United States of Thelma and Louise.


26 posted on 05/17/2014 3:16:22 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: cotton1706
I just did some quick research.

You're right, it was GATT that the lameduck 1994 Congress passed.

The Mexican bailout was in early 1995 but never voted on by Congress. Clinton did get the OK from Dole and Gingrich on Jan. 12, 2005 to bail out Mexico, but Congress didn't authorize it. Instead, Treas. Sec. Rubin cobbled together an international bailout package of $50 billion, of which $20 billion was from the Treas. Dept. "Exchange Stabilization Fund," which was not meant for such uses as bailing out Rubin's Wall Street buddies.

There. I think that's the right stuff!

27 posted on 05/17/2014 3:21:37 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: cotton1706

It’s too bad that politicians and their slimy operatives like Rove don’t put the same effort into fixing the country as they do amnesty.


28 posted on 05/17/2014 3:26:33 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: FewsOrange

We were young and foolish.


29 posted on 05/17/2014 3:27:43 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: cotton1706
but the CEOs of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers said this week that they hoped amnesty legislation could be the "final act" of the lame-duck session.

These scumbags really think flooding the country with immigrants is going to give them unlimited cheap labor, but they are fools. So are the GOP-e for going along. The Democrats will push raising the minimum wage to $15 or more, and it will be a winning issue. They'll call it something like The Fair Wage Protection Act, and the public will support it overwhelmingly. The RATS will get their voters, and the Chamber and GOP-e will get the shaft.

30 posted on 05/17/2014 3:32:31 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: cotton1706

I watched Ted Cruz during his valiant effort to halt the disaster called Obamacare. I hope you watched it as well. If he used it once, he used the phrase “...we no longer listen to the people, our constituents...” over a hundred times. And he was right...they don’t. And the fact is, THEY NO LONGER NEED TO.
I’ve posted my little rant on this topic before but Ted’s honest comment compels me to do so again.
*************
WHY THE POLITICAL RULING CLASS NO LONGER LISTENS TO US!
“When the servants of the people are paid with something other than that which the people themselves have produced (i.e. the real, tangible products of their labors or some fixed and real medium of that exchange), the roles of master and servant will be reversed.”
That was Thomas Jefferson warning that the financial disaster we now face would be but one of many problems paper money would visit upon us if we allowed our “leaders” to remove the backing from the currency.
It was believed by Roger Sherman and a majority of those at the Constitutional Convention that unbacked fiat currency would so damage the fabric of the nation that they ATTEMPTED to prohibit it with these few words at Article 1, Section 10, requiring the states to enforce the prohibition: “No State shall…make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;”
If the people and their states grew inattentive to this matter (and they have!), Jefferson also saw another problem ahead.
In a letter to John Taylor in 1816, he wrote, “And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”
We have been “…swindling futurity…” for a long time and this is now where we find ourselves. If the government, through its banker masters at the Federal Reserve, can create “money” from thin air, they certainly don’t need ours every April 15th. That annual sheep shearing is simply an attempt to vacuum enough of the excess paper from the system to keep the rest of us from catching on to the biggest theft ring in the history of man. They have now created so much that their attempt is failing and failing badly to a point where all but the dullest among us (Obama voters and his growing cadres of personal and corporate welfare beneficiaries) are starting to “get it.”
If you understood that last paragraph, you can now make the small leap to an understanding as to why the “progressive” utopian welfare state hacks in Washington don’t give a damn WHAT you think. Their power to create all the “money” they need to fuel their infernal machine and fill the gaping maws of enough of those growing hoards of welfare constituents to assure their perpetual re-election means that — ready — THEY NO LONGER NEED YOU! They have become, as Mr. Jefferson predicted, our MASTERS.
We won’t have even a CHANCE at an honest government until we again have HONEST MONEY.
That they are taking down a nation and a system that has provided more wealth, safety and abundance to more people than any other in history matters not to them. Failing to grasp the lesson of the French Revolution, they believe themselves to be above the impending disaster.
We’re running out of time to get this increasingly rapacious beast back into the cage from which we have carelessly allowed it to escape.
Dick Bachert

PS: I was a 3 year member of the national board of CATS (Citizens for an Alternative Tax System), the precursor to the current Fair Tax organization. I fully support the concept of a CONSUMPTION TAX over the current Marxist INCOME TAX. That said, UNTIL WE GET BACK TO HONEST “MONEY”, WERE REARRANGING DECK CHAIRS ON A SINKING SHIP.
PPS: A word about the brilliance of this scheme hatched in 1913 by the elites: Economics is called “the dismal science” for a reason. Freepers are a pretty sharp group, and most who get this far will grasp the importance of getting back to a Constitutionally sound money system. But hand this to the “guy on the street” and his eyes will glaze over, he’d start drooling before he hit the third paragraph, throw it down, declare you crazy and stomp off in search of a much needed drink. We can’t solve a problem until more of us recognize that there IS ONE!


31 posted on 05/17/2014 3:32:40 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: wonkowasright

The Senate has already passed an immigration bill. If the House votes this session....and it passess...it would go to a conference committee.

Fabulous. / sarc


32 posted on 05/17/2014 3:33:32 PM PDT by conservaKate ( I grow weary of the goobers in the Republican party. (thanks Chris))
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To: cotton1706

Here’s your immigration reform: ENFORCE EVERY DAMNED EXISTING LAW then let’s talk in 5 years.


33 posted on 05/17/2014 3:34:09 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: cotton1706

FUKR


34 posted on 05/17/2014 3:34:20 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: conservaKate

So 18 R’s peel off and its a done deal then eh ?


35 posted on 05/17/2014 3:35:25 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: cotton1706

Can any Pubbie congress critter believe this? Betrayal on this scale will be the end of them. Folks, any of your congress critters supported any form of amnesty do your best to primary them out.


36 posted on 05/17/2014 3:43:07 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: wonkowasright

If Boehner goes ahead and calls a vote on immigration and uses Dems to pass it...he has to know he’s not Speaker anymore. I mean he does have to know that right? The booze and nicotine haven’t made Boehner totally stupid...right?

Yes..that is sarc.


37 posted on 05/17/2014 3:46:02 PM PDT by conservaKate ( I grow weary of the goobers in the Republican party. (thanks Chris))
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To: conservaKate

Nah but a golden parachute might just make it ok eh ?


38 posted on 05/17/2014 3:48:48 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: cotton1706

And they will. Count on it.

I don’t care WHAT happens in 2014, 2016 may be the end of the GOP at the polls. (A bit of hyperbole of course but it will be a disaster).


39 posted on 05/17/2014 3:48:53 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: cotton1706

That was how they forced Obamney Care on us.


40 posted on 05/17/2014 3:55:52 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: cotton1706

I know Karl Rove is not from Texas but claims to be or whatever.

Every Republican in Texas and New Mexico voted against the 86 amnesty bill.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/99-1986/h860

Texas
Nay D Chapman, Jim TX 1st
Aye D Wilson, Charles TX 2nd
Nay R Bartlett, Harry TX 3rd
Nay D Hall, Ralph TX 4th
Aye D Bryant, John TX 5th
Nay R Barton, Joe TX 6th
Nay R Archer, Bill TX 7th
Nay R Fields, Jack TX 8th
No Vote D Brooks, Jack TX 9th
Aye D Pickle, Jake TX 10th
Nay D Leath, James TX 11th
Aye D Wright, James TX 12th
Nay R Boulter, Eldon TX 13th
Nay R Sweeney, Mac TX 14th
Nay D de la Garza, Kika TX 15th
Nay D Coleman, Ronald TX 16th
Nay D Stenholm, Charles TX 17th
Nay D Leland, George TX 18th
Nay R Combest, Larry TX 19th
Nay D González, Henry TX 20th
Nay R Loeffler, Thomas TX 21st
Nay R DeLay, Tom TX 22nd
Aye D Bustamante, Albert TX 23rd
Aye D Frost, Jonas TX 24th
Nay D Andrews, Michael TX 25th
Nay R Armey, Richard TX 26th


41 posted on 05/17/2014 4:21:57 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: cotton1706

I hope they are just fleecing the scum of the country club out of their money. But since these country clubbers really believe in amnesty then obviously they are not paying enough taxes. Some here will object but if they sell out then by God they should shell out. I used to support every business tax cut imaginable. I was naive enough to think they would recipricate towards me. Boy was I wrong.


42 posted on 05/17/2014 4:26:15 PM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is a feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing corksucker.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
You post the same simpleton talking points without going into the why jobs are leaving in droves.
43 posted on 05/17/2014 4:52:05 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (100% pure organic, free-range conservative)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Well since you insist, I believe at this point it is simply the work of greedy thieves in charge of what used to be America’s world-leading factories.

But I don’t suppose you wanted quite that blunt an answer.

:D


44 posted on 05/17/2014 4:54:35 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: cotton1706

Go away, Karl, you traitorous clown.


45 posted on 05/17/2014 5:22:42 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Black Agnes

Kind of like lords and kings in the middle ages. Which is what they think of themselves.

***
Excellent point!


46 posted on 05/17/2014 5:24:30 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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47 posted on 05/17/2014 5:27:13 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: FewsOrange

I always left out the “magnificent” part and collided quite often with the “Day in the life of President Bush” worship society back then.


48 posted on 05/17/2014 5:40:09 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: cotton1706
Our Government does not give a Crap about the American worker!

WTF! I hope their lame duck ends up in a Plane crash!

49 posted on 05/17/2014 6:54:21 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: cotton1706
Karl Rove: Helping Republicans lose by making them Dem-lite.

STFU Rove!! Americans are sick of Amnesty for the f'ing wetback Mexicans. Let's deport them, secure our borders, then let EDUCATED people in. If big business want illegals, fine them, we have Americans who are out of work.

No AMNESTY EVER!!!!!!! Did I make myself clear?

50 posted on 05/17/2014 9:15:21 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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