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Krugman: GOP has reached point of no return on climate
Houston Chronicle ^ | May 16, 2014 | By Paul Krugman

Posted on 05/17/2014 4:03:09 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

... Think of it this way: Once upon a time it was possible to take climate change seriously while remaining a Republican in good standing. Today, listening to climate scientists gets you excommunicated - hence Rubio's statement, which was effectively a partisan pledge of allegiance.

And truly crazy positions are becoming the norm. A decade ago, only the GOP's extremist fringe asserted that global warming was a hoax concocted by a vast global conspiracy of scientists (although even then that fringe included some powerful politicians). Today, such conspiracy theorizing is mainstream within the party, and rapidly becoming mandatory; witch hunts against scientists reporting evidence of warming have become standard procedure, and skepticism about climate science is turning into hostility toward science in general.

It's hard to see what could reverse this growing hostility to inconvenient science. As I said, the process of intellectual devolution seems to have reached a point of no return. And that scares me more than the news about that ice sheet.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climategate; demagogicparty; globalwarminghoax; hoax; journalism; krugman; opec; paulkrugman; socialism
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1 posted on 05/17/2014 4:03:09 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Maybe we should just blame aliens for global warming and they say the only way to end it is for all liberals to commit suicide.


2 posted on 05/17/2014 4:05:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"...inconvenient science..."

Sounds like somebody been hittin' da happy smoke.

3 posted on 05/17/2014 4:05:31 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Someone tell Krugman we aren’t as gullible as he is.


4 posted on 05/17/2014 4:05:48 PM PDT by ully2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Krugman scares me more than the ice sheet too.

Shee Ite.


5 posted on 05/17/2014 4:05:57 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Krugman is a moron


6 posted on 05/17/2014 4:06:11 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We just had the coldest winter in an entire generation.

I say “BUNK” to this.


7 posted on 05/17/2014 4:07:11 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nobody doubts climate change.

If it wasn’t for climate change — Chicago would still be under a mile of ice.

It’s the Statists who Americans don’t trust.


8 posted on 05/17/2014 4:07:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

KKKrugman, the KKKoncern troll.


9 posted on 05/17/2014 4:09:59 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I’ve had frost advisories for the last 2 nights and probably will again tonight. Yesterday morning it was 30 degrees when I got up.


10 posted on 05/17/2014 4:10:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I hope he lives long enough to see the bottom of the next minimum. Even I might live that long, and I’m 58!


11 posted on 05/17/2014 4:11:16 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Hey, Paul, the Nobel Prize folks called and said “Yer Nutz!”.

‘Course they said in Norwegian.


12 posted on 05/17/2014 4:11:47 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

My opinion is as follows.

I think that man definitely has had an impact on the environment. But, and it’s a big but, we just have no way of knowing if man has had an impact on long term climate trends.

And, to the extent that man has impact on climate trends, we don’t know how much is man made.

Earth has had a number of ice ages in history. During the last ice age, Chicago was buried under a mile of ice. All that ice didn’t melt because Cro-Magnon man and Neanderthals had coal fired power plants. Which suggests that natural cycles, which we don’t understand, and have no control over, are what is driving whatever “climate change” the liberals say they are observing.

To the extent that we can clean up the environment, we should do so. However, anything we do should be based on a cost/benefit analysis, not on pie in the sky liberal claptrap.

For example, are the EPA regulations which will cause many coal fired power plants to shut down, really a benefit which override the increased costs we will all bear, if put into effect? The liberals who run our government and EPA are not allowing us to have that conversation.


13 posted on 05/17/2014 4:11:48 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Hmm, who is it that just pledged 100 million to the liberals? Oh yeah the same idiot that is pushing and selling “green tech”.

Nah, no correlation at all.

Just like it was a lone gunman that killed JFK and Anna Nicole married for love!

Paul Krugman is a educated babbling Idiot.


14 posted on 05/17/2014 4:11:58 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
And truly crazy positions are becoming the norm.

Positions endorsed by the likes of Paul Krugman, economist and climatologist.

15 posted on 05/17/2014 4:12:34 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Where is the Hotspot, Krugman? Answer that or STFU.

No smoking hot spot

1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.

Each possible cause of global warming has a different pattern of where in the planet the warming occurs first and the most. The signature of an increased greenhouse effect is a hot spot about 10km up in the atmosphere over the tropics. We have been measuring the atmosphere for decades using radiosondes: weather balloons with thermometers that radio back the temperature as the balloon ascends through the atmosphere. They show no hot spot. Whatsoever.

If there is no hot spot then an increased greenhouse effect is not the cause of global warming. So we know for sure that carbon emissions are not a significant cause of the global warming. If we had found the greenhouse signature then I would be an alarmist again.

It's not an arbitrary question the Greenhouse theory itself demands it.

16 posted on 05/17/2014 4:12:42 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: ully2

He’s the idiot who suggested that the government just lie and fake an alien invasion as a means of taking money from taxpayers.


17 posted on 05/17/2014 4:12:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I GOT IT:

Blame climate change on illegal immigrant invaders!


18 posted on 05/17/2014 4:13:07 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Article by that noted climate expert Paul Krugman.


19 posted on 05/17/2014 4:13:26 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
GREAT NEWS!

Now I don't have to hear form you whining greenies anymore.

20 posted on 05/17/2014 4:14:40 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Register COMMIES not GUNS!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Scientists are never wrong. There is no room for skepticism. Listen, I would rather take my chances with climate change than sacrifice my freedom to a bunch of politicians who will take care of the climate ‘for me’. It’s not like the climate has never changed before (with or without humans).


21 posted on 05/17/2014 4:15:05 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Reading Krugman write about the climate is like listening to Obama speak about Constitutional Law.


22 posted on 05/17/2014 4:17:01 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“First, Australia cut global-warming spending and now the U.K. has followed. The British government has cut programs to fight global warming by 41 percent, fueling allegations that the country’s environment minister is a global warming “skeptic.””


23 posted on 05/17/2014 4:18:07 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Krugman is much better at climate theory than economic theory.


24 posted on 05/17/2014 4:19:56 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I don’t care about the damn planet. I don’t want to be forced to pay for a planet that I won’t be on 15 years from now. Nobody prior to us cared about the damn planet either. They were smart because nothing has happened to the damn planet that God didn’t plan and we are still here whining, bitchin, and sinning. The planet will survive, but we really don’t deserve to.

yeah, I sound callous. Big deal.


25 posted on 05/17/2014 4:20:36 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The thing about Krugman is he looks the part.


26 posted on 05/17/2014 4:20:43 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I've been thinking a lot lately about the power of doctrines - how support for a false dogma can become politically mandatory, and how overwhelming contrary evidence only makes such dogmas stronger and more extreme.

This is amazing! What Krugman is actually describing is the false dogma of global warming.

Just reverse the sides he's talking about, and you've got it right.

If anyone should go straight 'round the corner and never come back, it's Krugman.

27 posted on 05/17/2014 4:20:56 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

quote “witch hunts against scientists reporting evidence of warming have become standard procedure”

ROFL

can you say projection!!!


28 posted on 05/17/2014 4:21:19 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Raycpa

LOL! And he probably does superstring theory in his spare time.


29 posted on 05/17/2014 4:21:52 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
only the GOP's extremist fringe asserted that global warming was a hoax concocted by a vast global conspiracy of scientists

The hoax is a political one, not a scientific one, you insufferable hack.

30 posted on 05/17/2014 4:23:51 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (The greatest trick the Soviets ever pulled was convincing the world they didn't exist.)
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31 posted on 05/17/2014 4:25:41 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: MUDDOG

Sheldon says that’s no longer valid. LOL


32 posted on 05/17/2014 4:26:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: MUDDOG
This is amazing! What Krugman is actually describing is the false dogma of global warming.

It applies to the leftist POV on every issue that I can think of.

33 posted on 05/17/2014 4:27:01 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Krugman is a disgrace.


34 posted on 05/17/2014 4:31:09 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
These guys demand an apology:
35 posted on 05/17/2014 4:33:29 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Once upon a time it was possible to take climate change seriously

And then the truth about the corruption of the science came out.

36 posted on 05/17/2014 4:34:15 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: cripplecreek

http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Crichton2003.pdf


37 posted on 05/17/2014 4:35:28 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: TigersEye
I also see a similarity to string theory -- no physical evidence, just a "consensus" of opinion among the in-group of scientists at the elite schools who control funding and appointments, as well as an appeal to mathematical models as the main argument, and a disparagement of the scientists who disagree (some of whom are quite accomplished, as is the case with global warming skeptics as well).

The sociology of the two areas, global warming and string theory, is distressingly similar.

38 posted on 05/17/2014 4:35:58 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

good example of the pot calling the kettle black.

its apostacy among democrats to believe anything other than AGM


39 posted on 05/17/2014 4:36:58 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: VRW Conspirator
+1
40 posted on 05/17/2014 4:41:22 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The argument from fear of the warmists in the “climate change” argument is that climate is going to hell and it’s our fault. They also assume change as vindication of their position when change is always the norm with climate.


41 posted on 05/17/2014 4:41:25 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
The hoax is a political one, not a scientific one, you insufferable hack.

Exactly!

42 posted on 05/17/2014 4:42:19 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls the climates of all its planets.

3. The earth is one of the sun’s planets.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


43 posted on 05/17/2014 4:47:51 PM PDT by abclily
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What scares me FAR, FAR WORSE, Mr. Krugman, is the Democrat “process of intellectual devolution” toward communism and tyranny that “seems to have reached a point of no return.”


44 posted on 05/17/2014 4:49:26 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Krugman is doing better. He got this paragraph almost correct. I’ve cleaned it up for him with a few inserts.

It’s hard to see what could reverse this growing hostility to (our) inconvenient (BS) science. As I said, the(our) process of intellectual devolution seems to have reached a point of no return. And that scares me more than the news about that ice sheet (and the 17 years with no measurable Global Warming).


45 posted on 05/17/2014 4:51:14 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Krugman should be worried that the Dims are past the point of no return. The historical evidence just isn’t there for global warming or climate change, it’s regular old weather.


46 posted on 05/17/2014 4:53:15 PM PDT by Helotes
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To: MUDDOG

I going to have to take your word for it. I’m interested in physics but can’t really keep up with it. At least they don’t want to tax us trillions of dollars for our quark footprint.


47 posted on 05/17/2014 4:53:50 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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Hey! Paul! If climate "science" is science, why doesn't it use the scientific method?

Hmmm?

48 posted on 05/17/2014 4:54:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They may call us “climate-change deniers” (of course, warming is the only climate change they’re interested in) ... but based on their response to the scientific data, we should call them “science-deniers”.


49 posted on 05/17/2014 4:54:45 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: MUDDOG

Democrats and Commies (but I repeat myself) are always accusing others of doing the wrongheaded and criminal things that they themselves are doing.

It’s because they are so used to being thoroughly corrupt, they have a hard time understanding that other people are not like them.

So that’s why odious people like Reid and Pelosi wrongly claim that the Tea Party is just astroturf. Because the standard modus operandi of Demo-Commies is to use rent-a-mobs, they naturally assume that the good guys do the same thing. Bzzzzzt - wrong answer.

Same thing with climate “science”.

Krugman is just doing what Commies do.


50 posted on 05/17/2014 4:55:55 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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