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How VA hospitals are a government-run disaster
The New York Post ^ | May 16, 2014 | Michael D. Tanner

Posted on 05/17/2014 7:24:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The news is shocking: Patients dying on the waiting list for government-provided healthcare. But this is not a report from Canada or the British National Health Service. It’s right here in America, in the health system administered by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The problems first surfaced in Phoenix, where the wait to receive care at VA facilities had grown so long that 1,400 to 1,600 sick veterans were forced to wait months to see a doctor. As many as 40 veterans reportedly died because they couldn’t get the care they needed. VA administrators tried to cover up the problems by establishing secret waiting lists and falsifying reports.

The scandal has now spread to other veteran facilities. VA employees at an outpatient clinic in Fort Collins, Colo., falsified appointment records to hide the fact that as many as 6,300 veterans treated at the outpatient clinic waited months to be seen for treatment. In Wyoming, whistleblowers have accused officials of manipulating records to hide wait times.

VA officers in San Antonio and Austin, Texas, have been accused of similar efforts to hide long waits. And in Pittsburgh, VA officials are accused of covering up the death of several patients after the water in a VA hospital became infected with bacteria. The officials reportedly tried to hide the information not only from patients and superiors, but even from hospital staff.

Earlier this month, the American Legion called for Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki to resign. No doubt Gen. Shinseki was asleep at the switch. But the problem goes well beyond an incompetent cabinet secretary or a few corrupt local bureaucrats....

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; obamacare; obamacarefuture; vahospitals; veterans; veteransaffairs

1 posted on 05/17/2014 7:24:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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2 posted on 05/17/2014 7:28:30 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The VA is just a test case.

This is what government run medical care is like.

They’re just seeing how far they can go - what they can get away with.

Promise the rubes anything (”Take a round for Barack! Don’t worry, he’ll take care of you!”) and then scam them to give as little as possible.

Old con.


3 posted on 05/17/2014 7:29:25 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fire Shinseki....Impeach Obama and charge Obama with criminal actions against veterans!!! Shinseki and Obama should rot in prison chains!!!


4 posted on 05/17/2014 7:30:11 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I partly trained as a resident in a VA. It took about one day before I realized we’re mistreating our vets in those facilities. Just give the vets a “credit card” and let them choose their doctors wherever they find them. The VA system is a colossal waste of money that harms people.


5 posted on 05/17/2014 7:32:08 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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6 posted on 05/17/2014 7:33:35 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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7 posted on 05/17/2014 7:33:38 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“But the problem goes well beyond an incompetent cabinet secretary or a few corrupt local bureaucrats.”

I’ll say it is. The problem with VA hospitals is that they are government run health care facilities and like all government bureaucracies they care only about drawing a paycheck and nothing about customer service. My wife’s father, a WWII vet with diabetes went to the VA hospital for treatment of his diabetes and related ailments. He would never see the same doctor more than a couple of times and the quality of care was very far below par.

Being a vet myself, my wife has sworn that the only way I will go to the VA is that if we are destitute and have no choice.


8 posted on 05/17/2014 7:35:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is just a MINI-Preview of Obamacare.


9 posted on 05/17/2014 7:36:15 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And so shall all hospitals with 0bamacrap.


10 posted on 05/17/2014 7:37:28 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: Regulator

The VA has been poorly run for decades. It’s on par with government run hospitals all over the world.


11 posted on 05/17/2014 7:37:38 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Anyone who wonders how Obamacare is going to work out, needs to look at the VA Scandal.

Secret Lists.

Dying Patients.

No Care.

12 posted on 05/17/2014 7:42:51 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: BlueStateRightist

My best friend’s father is a retired thoracic surgeon of the VA. He used to tell me stories that made my toes curl. Said that the system was corrupt and disgraceful.


13 posted on 05/17/2014 7:43:44 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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14 posted on 05/17/2014 7:54:29 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author needs to correct himself. THE VBA and the VHA are two separate things under one department. So the wait time for compensation is not the wait time for health benefits. For health benefits you just need to show up with your 214 and enroll. The problem is getting appointments.


15 posted on 05/17/2014 7:55:43 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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16 posted on 05/17/2014 7:58:28 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

government-run disaster is a redundancy.


17 posted on 05/17/2014 7:59:35 PM PDT by Mark85937 (If your cultural views conflict with the Bible, you need to examine your cultural views.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
POSOTUS should be trumpeting it as an example of Obamacare TOTALITARIANCARE.

Lists. Treatment withheld. Death panels, anyone? Uncle $OCIALI$M wants you…dead. You've outlived your usefulness. You're a net negative. $ubmit to the proper authorities, IR$.

Thanks from the USA - United Socialists of America

18 posted on 05/17/2014 8:09:03 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I think you’re right. I worked for a landscape crew at a VA for a few months in the 70s. At our lowly level the waste was unbelievable. We’d rake leaves, fill a pickup truck and then take them to the local dump. We’d sit at the dump for an hour or so and then arrive back at the hospital to get an early start on our morning break. After our 30 minute break (it was supposed to be 10 minutes) we’d fill the truck with leaves, spend another hour sitting at the dump, and then return to get an early start on lunch. I couldn’t understand why sitting at the dump was preferable to raking leaves, but that was how things were done.

I was told that during the summer the crew would sit on their mowers with the engines running behind a wall where their supervisor couldn’t see them. They went to more trouble to avoid work than the actual work itself. The goal was to do as little work as possible without getting in trouble.

I realize that the outdoor work has nothing to do with the medical care provided, but I can’t believe that the rot I saw was confined to the bottom.


19 posted on 05/17/2014 8:09:31 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You are correct, sir!

And my view has always been that the VA will look like the mayo clinic compared w obamadontcare


20 posted on 05/17/2014 8:22:51 PM PDT by stanne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOd0XFGv3iw

Judge Pirro on the VA scandal


21 posted on 05/17/2014 8:33:28 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The problem with VA hospitals is that they are government run health care facilities and like all government bureaucracies they care only about drawing a paycheck and nothing about customer service.

I'll bet anyone who has spent any time in a government hospital can tell you stories.

My husband was hurt playing football in the navy. He had to have knee surgery. They opened up the wrong knee.

A friend of mine was 8 months pregnant and went to Ehrling Bergquist AF hospital with severe pain. They checked her and said it was false labor. She came back with vomiting also this time, then and they sent her home again. Her appendix burst days before. She survived, but the she was never the same. She has memory loss and talks slowly. She lost her baby.

I don't mean to pick on our military doctors/hospitals. I'm sure there are many good doctors and hospitals, but outside fighting wars and keeping us safe, it's the big government.

When I had my son at Tripler Army Hospital. Throughout my pregnancy I never seen the same doctor twice. On the day I had my son I was given a set of sheets and told where the dust mop was. I was lucky because I shared a room with one other women (who did not take care of her baby when he cried). Apparently most others shared a room with 5 other women.

If people knew what they are in for with government health care, there would be millions walking to DC demanding repeal of obamacare.

22 posted on 05/17/2014 8:50:05 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances

“The problem with VA hospitals is that they are government run health care facilities and like all government bureaucracies they care only about drawing a paycheck and nothing about customer service.”

You mean like the Post Office and the Dept. of Motor Vehicles, only they can kill you instead of just being rude.


23 posted on 05/17/2014 9:22:46 PM PDT by vette6387 (n)
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To: aft_lizard

Actually there are 3 branches to the VA VHA, VBA, and NCA. NCA runs the cemeteries. There are no waiting lines there.


24 posted on 05/18/2014 4:47:54 AM PDT by amigatec (The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
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To: aft_lizard

I work for the VA, and at one time worked at a CBOC. Our appointment times were monitored, reports were run, and we got our butts kicked if appointments were not made on time. Of course, our VISN has a lot of CBOC’s so we can handle the patient load better then most.


25 posted on 05/18/2014 4:54:52 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Look at the VA facilities...at least they have nice lawns. The dieing veterans can at least look at nicely mowed grass. Close the VA down. Give veterans real insurance...not nobamadon'tcare.
26 posted on 05/18/2014 6:29:22 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Single-payer?

No problem.

/S

Shamefully, the puppet's people are only upset at the bad timing...
27 posted on 05/18/2014 7:55:45 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Single-payer?

No problem.

/S

Shamefully, the puppet's people are only upset at the bad timing...
28 posted on 05/18/2014 7:57:02 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Too bad Congress - and veterans themselves - pilloried Ronald Reagan for proposing “privatization” of the VA. Chickens come home to roost.


29 posted on 05/18/2014 8:02:14 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: CMailBag

“Those who ignore history are damned to repeat its errors”Jorge Santayana.

THE WONDERS OF EUROPEAN SOCIALIZED MEDICINE

FRANCE

In August 2003 more than 11,000 people, mostly elderly, died during a heat wave in France without care because doctors and nurses, as well as the family members of the deceased, were on their summer vacations and could not interrupt it. The situation was so Kafkaesque that funeral homes did not have enough capacity for so many corpses and they had to store the bodies in warehouses’ food refrigerators, and refrigerated trucks until the family completed their holiday and returned home to reclaim their dead elderly.


30 posted on 05/20/2014 2:49:37 PM PDT by Dqban22
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