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Synthetic Cannabis causing Serious Health Problems in English Prisons
Guardian ^ | 5/15/14 | Eric Allison

Posted on 05/18/2014 4:47:34 AM PDT by mgist

Synthetic cannabis known as "spice" or "black mamba" is a growing problem in UK prisons with serious physical and mental health consequences, the chief inspector of prisons, Nick Hardwick has said.

Its popularity with inmates has surged because the psychoactive designer drug can be passed off as a tobacco roll-up, has no distinctive smell and it evades current drug testing capabilities in prisons.

In a Guardian Films investigation, we spoke to several prisoners, former prisoners and officials and analysed Her Majesty of Prisons Inspectorate (HMIP) reports that revealed it had become a problem in at least 28 prisons in England.

Several former prisoners said the drug was rife inside, having been thrown over the walls or otherwise smuggled in, and one said its lack of smell meant it could be smoked in front of the guards. Another, a remand prisoner currently at HMP Forest Bank near Manchester, said in a telephone interview that some of those using it were "going down like flies". He said it had led to multiple calls to the emergency services.

"I've never seen anything like it in prison. Guys are taking it and having psychotic episodes all over the place. Ambulances are coming in and out of the place more frequently than the escort vans," he said. It is not clear how many of these incidents involved other drugs in combination.

The recent annual Global Drug Survey (GDS), which surveys thousands of drug users on their experiences, indicated that users of synthetic cannabis were seven times more likely to need hospital treatment than users of the natural form of the drug. Several deaths in the US have been blamed on spice, which is made from dried plants sprayed with engineered chemicals.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: cannabis; druglegalization
We have this in the US too. It's coming in from China. There is no way to detect this drug is drug testing, so you can see how it could be appealing to kids. Despite hundreds of deaths in the US, the CDC and every other Federal agency is Mum.

120 kids died in Texas alone. Kids have died all over the country, and emergency room have been filled with these cases.

For some strange reason the Fed who can record conversations of law abiding citizens around the globe, has no idea how many are dying in the drug epidemic.

1 posted on 05/18/2014 4:47:35 AM PDT by mgist
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To: mgist

This is the first I’ve heard of this. (I don’t get out much.) What do the users die from? What is the mechanism?


2 posted on 05/18/2014 4:51:13 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

Irregular heartbeat, complete loss of motor control, extreme psychotic episodes, self-mutilation such as cutting.

I’m wondering if that rapper in California, who castrated himself and then jumped off a balcony had smoked this.

I can’t envision the appeal, myself. What is compelling about such an experience? I only see negatives. One street name for the drug, “Clockwork Orange,” tells me a lot. They know where it will take them and do it anyway. Why?


3 posted on 05/18/2014 4:54:51 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: mgist

The Bathtub Gin o our time. It’s a shame, since the real thing is fairly benign. But those are the wages of Prohibition.


4 posted on 05/18/2014 5:11:42 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Gen.Blather

http://dailycurrant.com/2014/01/02/marijuana-overdoses-kill-37-in-colorado-on-first-day-of-legalization/

“We are seeing cardiac arrests, hypospadias, acquired trimethylaminuria and multiple organ failures. By next week the death toll could go as high as 200, maybe 300. Someone needs to step in and stop this madness. My god, why did we legalize marijuana? What were we thinking?”


5 posted on 05/18/2014 5:12:26 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

He who controls the spice controls the universe.


6 posted on 05/18/2014 5:12:28 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: mgist

For some strange reason the Fed who can record conversations of law abiding citizens around the globe, has no idea how many are dying in the drug epidemic.

The same way they turn a blind eye to the cartels selling low cost herion on our streets


7 posted on 05/18/2014 5:15:21 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: RegulatorCountry

“They know where it will take them and do it anyway. Why?”

That, I think I can answer. Drugs and alcohol are used to hide our awareness of our pain. The fact that the hiding mechanism is as bad as or worse than the pain is of no matter. The pain they know.


8 posted on 05/18/2014 5:18:08 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: mgist

i just realized The Daily Currant above is satirical. The deaths are true however, and that just shows how they try to confuse the issues.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/21/when-synthetic-pot-kills.html

There have absolutely been confirmed deaths accross the country. The FEDS are trying very hard to cover up drug deaths.


9 posted on 05/18/2014 5:20:08 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist
“We are seeing cardiac arrests, hypospadias, acquired trimethylaminuria and multiple organ failures. By next week the death toll could go as high as 200, maybe 300. Someone needs to step in and stop this madness. My god, why did we legalize marijuana? What were we thinking?”
You quote a satirical site as if it were authoritative. There are some clues...

hypospadias - A congenital condition in males in which the opening of the urethra is on the underside of the penis.

Trimethylaminuria, also known as fish odor syndrome or fish malodor syndrome, is a rare metabolic disorder that causes a defect in the normal production of the enzyme flavin containing monooxygenase 3.

Not to mention the Jessie Pinkman reference and the comments section. You slit the throat of your dead equine with dreck like this.

Fight the Free Sh☭t Nation

10 posted on 05/18/2014 5:21:59 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: mgist

Cite the deaths from natural cannabis overdoses.


11 posted on 05/18/2014 5:25:20 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: ronnie raygun

“For some strange reason the Fed who can record conversations of law abiding citizens around the globe, has no idea how many are dying in the drug epidemic.”

Hoover never even acknowledged that the Mafia existed. He only wanted cases he could “solve.” I had an employee who never got to the bottom of his work pile. On talking to him I realized that he viewed the backlog, which was costing us millions, as his job security. So, it was never going away. The more resources he got the more time he wasted. I suspect that the government is exactly the same.

The government agents need not fear, though. It is a basic law of economics that if there is a demand for something there will be a supply. Cocaine is cheaper in real terms today than it was when the cartels held a monopoly. By breaking up the cartels the feds essentially privatized the smuggling industry. Before if somebody, even a bit player, smuggled cocaine the cartels killed them. Thus we were limited to only the maximum amount of cocaine a cartel could move. But with no cartels and people moving as little as an ounce the smuggling bandwidth became unlimited.


12 posted on 05/18/2014 5:25:27 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

They don’t know. We are under a very FALSE sense of security that the FDA is regulating Rx drugs that destroy lives. There is a BILLION $ campaign to legalize drugs, while touting all their benefits, while reality and the devastation it brings are being hidden.

There is a reason people don’t really know what’s going on. We are a narco nation, where the cartels are running the show, and our government is complicit. Adults have no idea, and kids much less so.

“Spice’ Or Synthetic Marijuana Linked To Psychosis, Brain, and Kidney Damage”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2013/06/29/spice-or-synthetic-marijuana-may-cause-psychosis-brain-and-kidney-damage/

Since I reported last summer about the dangers of K2/Spice, or synthetic marijuana, the news has gotten a lot worse.

“I had a normal child on a Thursday and a not normal child on a Friday,” says Smith, who will tell her story to Anderson Cooper on an upcoming episode of CNN’s Anderson360. “My son came home from school, smoked K2, and took a loaded gun into the woods.”


13 posted on 05/18/2014 5:29:08 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

Once you have unknown synthetics, you greatly increase the risk of a particular drug family. Opium smoking is one level of indulgence; morphine another, and heroin yet another. But now, there are fentanyls, and there was a bad batch of a fentanyl-like substance some years ago which caused instant and permanent Parkinsonism.

Why should the situation be different for drugs targeting the same receptors that marijuana does? It’s one thing to have strong pot; quite another to experiment with unknown synthetics which may activate the same neural receptors, but may also have unknown side effects.


14 posted on 05/18/2014 5:30:45 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: mgist
Prohibitions step child!

This man made substance is an abomination! Straight from satan himself! This is the zombie maker!

When the persecution of cannabis users ceases, so will this illegally created market for hell slime such as this!

15 posted on 05/18/2014 5:31:05 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: rawcatslyentist

And he (Clemson researcher John W. Huffman) did it with a Federal grant. I suspect they were looking for something to head off the medical marijuana movement.


16 posted on 05/18/2014 5:35:07 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: mgist

http://www.livescience.com/6149-fake-weed-real-drug-k2-causing-hallucinations-teens.html

There have been several reports of OD’s around here lately.
They call it K2 in the news reports.


17 posted on 05/18/2014 5:35:59 AM PDT by davetex (Location: The Alamo)
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To: Mycroft Holmes
I followed up with another post when I realized it. The fact is kids are dying from this pot that can't be detected, has no smell, and the cause of death is basically only known from survivors who witnessed them smoking.

Synthetic Marijuana 'Spice' Linked to Stroke Dan Rankin January 21, 2014 Synthetic Cannabis Triggers 'Spiceophrenia' Synthetic Marijuana Linked to Acute Kidney Injury Ischemic stroke may be added to the list of health risks already associated with the recreational street drug spice, a team of neurologists from the University of South Florida (USF), in Tampa, suggests. In a new report, the authors discuss the cases of 2 young and previously healthy siblings aged 26 and 19 years who experienced acute ischemic stroke shortly after smoking the Schedule I synthetic marijuana known as spice. Imaging results suggested the strokes may have been embolic. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/819484

18 posted on 05/18/2014 5:36:28 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/819484


19 posted on 05/18/2014 5:36:49 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist
You continue to conflate marijuana with synthetic compounds that more resemble ecstasy in effects and chemistry. This is shoddy scholarship.

Twice I have chased your references to find that they did not state what you had claimed. You are a poor and shallow researcher and I am no longer interested in your typing.

20 posted on 05/18/2014 5:40:15 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Who are you kidding? Of course there are cartels!!! Just because the Fed started pretending nothing is wrong, doesn’t mean it’s true.

Fast and Furious was an example of Holder’s ATF providing an arsenal of weapons to the murderous Sinaloa drug cartel. Gang members have stated in court that they had agreements with Federal agents to bring drugs in, especially through Chicago.

CONFIRMED: The DEA Struck A Deal With Mexico’s Most Notorious Drug Cartel

JAN. 13, 2014

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1#ixzz30wXEcHSl

In South America there is a term called “Nacion Narco”. It is when the government has been bought at a federal/national level, and they are covertly working for the cartels. During Obama reign, most of this hemisphere has fallen under the category of a Narco Nation.

The cartels run a $3 Trillion cash business, that profits from the misery of others. Unlike what most people think, they are sophisticated. They aren’t the henchmen, kingpins and gangsters on the street that go to jail. They are private bank owners, Hedge Fund Managers, business men, even national leaders, and work with Wall Street banks who are laundering $Billions, while the SEC looks the other way. They provide major funding to Washington’s influence peddling lobbists and “Think Tanks” such as Drug Policy Org.s the level of influence they have is beyond most people’s comprehension.

Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt, Lybia, talks with Iran, Honduras, are all examples of Obama supporting the cartels. People are clueless.

Everything that Obama has done in the Middle East has been to support regimes and rebels loyal to the Muslim Brotherhood who essentially the heroin cartels.


21 posted on 05/18/2014 5:47:09 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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>"Everything that Obama has done in the Middle East has been to support regimes and rebels loyal to the Muslim Brotherhood who essentially the heroin cartels."

And our Pharmaceutical industry has to have the opium for their opiate pain killers!

This IS PROHIBITION! Legal for the king! Jail for YOU!

22 posted on 05/18/2014 5:52:29 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: mgist

“Who are you kidding? Of course there are cartels!!! “

I think the basic structure of just three (as I recall) cartels has changed to many, each of which is less powerful and all-inclusive than the original cartels. This has heightened competition and lowered prices. The original cartels had territorial agreements they mostly adhered to. The fighting we witness now is symptomatic of the weakness of the new cartels. The old ones were so powerful they rarely came to blows.

So, the government was effective at taking out the centralized power structure of the three cartels. The government has been ineffective at taking out the smaller cartels because they’ve become like the mythical hydra. You chop off one head and two more appear. Each is smaller and less effective than the head you chopped. But that smallness does not make them less dangerous and their size has no impact on how much they can smuggle. It’s a losing game that needs to be fought on the demand end, not the supply end.


23 posted on 05/18/2014 5:55:29 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: mgist

donchaknow that alcohol is to blame for all these illnesses and deaths...least that’s what the experts and the libtards keep saying...


24 posted on 05/18/2014 5:55:55 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Wolfie

aha!....that was quick....I knew we’d get a defender of all drugs, all the time.....


25 posted on 05/18/2014 5:57:16 AM PDT by cherry
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To: mgist
fully agree that our govt and its forces from county to federales are complicit, and probably even assisted.

you have to wonder why you can't buy sudafed off the shelf....why the govts went to so much trouble to make a simple cold medicine be a pain in the arse to buy...

is it because they indeed wanted to stop local production of speed just so the Mexicanos can bring their stuff in?.....like a open doorway....

26 posted on 05/18/2014 6:03:03 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Mycroft Holmes
"You continue to conflate marijuana with synthetic compounds that more resemble ecstasy in effects and chemistry. This is shoddy scholarship."

I could care less what your personal opinion is. You can take this stuff all you want, even though it won't cure your OCD.

I care about children.

This drug is being touted as "synthetic marijuana by journalists and professionals. I didn't give it that name. Bottom line this stuff is being sold openly in smoke shops and it is brought in from China. It is killing people and our exceptional American Government is covering it up.

"Synthetic cannabinoids, commonly known as “synthetic marijuana,” “K2,” or “Spice”, are often sold in legal retail outlets as “herbal incense” or “potpourri”, and synthetic cathinones are often sold as “bath salts” or “jewelry cleaner”. They are labeled “not for human consumption” to mask their intended purpose and avoid Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulatory oversight of the manufacturing process."

Do you think for a minute kids they think, "oh no these are synthetic compounds that get you high, not marijuana, so I'm not curious anymore"?

27 posted on 05/18/2014 6:05:59 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

You do realize that the currant is satire?


28 posted on 05/18/2014 6:06:38 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: mgist

You do know that the Daily Currant is a satire website...like The Onion?


29 posted on 05/18/2014 6:08:49 AM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: mgist

What’s more important: the death of a few hundred pot heads or the millions that Colorado will make in tax money this year? So some will get hold of the kind that causes a horrible death, you have to break some eggs to make an omelet.


30 posted on 05/18/2014 6:35:34 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: mgist
and the ultimate Nanny State lets them smoke in prison because???
31 posted on 05/18/2014 6:36:37 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Wolfie
"The Bathtub Gin o our time. It’s a shame, since the real thing is fairly benign. But those are the wages of Prohibition."

You are absolutely correct and spot on.

32 posted on 05/18/2014 10:49:27 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: mgist
According to the BS article you just posted, pot causes the urethra to be rerouted:

Hypospadias is a birth defect in boys in which the opening of the urethra (the tube that carries urine from the bladder to the outside of the body) is not located at the tip of the penis.

Hell, it can even make you smell fishy!:

Trimethylaminuria (TMAU), also known as fish odor syndrome or fish malodor syndrome,

You don't believe this crap do you?

33 posted on 05/18/2014 10:57:38 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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"There have absolutely been confirmed deaths accross the country"

Yes there have, but not from real pot.

The deaths are from compounds that have NO cannabis in them.

34 posted on 05/18/2014 10:59:36 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: mgist
"The fact is kids are dying from this pot that can't be detected"

It has nothing to do with pot and has no cannabis compounds in it!

35 posted on 05/18/2014 11:02:35 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
You don't believe this crap do you?

'We're ready to believe you.'

36 posted on 05/18/2014 11:39:28 AM PDT by Ken H
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The fact is kids are DYING from what the media calls "SYNTHETIC Marijuana", which is being sent in from China, sold over the counter, and people believe it is a safe pot alternative, is the issue. Am I the only one that finds Obama's state of the nation, disturbing?

Synthetic Drugs (a.k.a. K2, Spice, Bath Salts, etc.)

Overview and History Synthetic cannabinoids, commonly known as “synthetic marijuana,” “K2,” or “Spice”, are often sold in legal retail outlets as “herbal incense” or “potpourri”, and synthetic cathinones are often sold as “bath salts” or “jewelry cleaner”. They are labeled “not for human consumption” to mask their intended purpose and avoid Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulatory oversight of the manufacturing process.

Synthetic cannabinoids are man-made chemicals that are applied (often sprayed) onto plant material and marketed as a “legal” high. Users claim that synthetic cannabinoids mimic Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the primary psychoactive active ingredient in marijuana.

Use of synthetic cannabinoids is alarmingly high, especially among young people. According to the 2012 Monitoring the Future survey of youth drug-use trends, one in nine 12th graders in America reported using synthetic cannabinoids in the past year. This rate, unchanged from 2011, puts synthetic cannabinoids as the second most frequently used illegal drug among high school seniors after marijuana (see chart).

Synthetic cathinones are man-made chemicals related to amphetamines. Synthetic cathinone products often consist of methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV), mephedrone, and methylone.

The Administration has been working with Federal, Congressional, state, local, and non-governmental partners to put policies and legislation in place to combat this threat, and to educate people about the tremendous health risk posed by these substances.

Figure 1: Use of Illicit Drugs among Twelfth Graders, 2012 Monitoring the Future Study

37 posted on 05/18/2014 1:51:45 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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38 posted on 05/18/2014 1:53:25 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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" Am I the only one that finds Obama's state of the nation, disturbing? "

No, you're not.

So-called "synthetic Marijuana", while having nothing to do with real marijuana, is a legitimate threat to kids and dumb-assed adults. The LEO of the country, state, local and Fed could be doing a lot more to stamp it out.

It's as dangerous as meth.

39 posted on 05/18/2014 3:34:04 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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