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Switzerland 'rejects world's highest minimum wage'
BBC News ^ | May 18, 2014

Posted on 05/18/2014 5:33:14 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Swiss voters have rejected a proposal to introduce what would be the highest minimum wage in the world in a referendum, first projections indicate.

Under the plan, employers would have had to pay workers a minimum 22 Swiss francs (about $25; £15; 18 euros) an hour.

Supporters said the move was necessary for people to live a decent life.

But critics argued that it would raise production costs and increase unemployment.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: marxism

1 posted on 05/18/2014 5:33:14 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Swiss voters reject Europe’s highest minimum wage
http://www.dw.de/swiss-voters-reject-europes-highest-minimum-wage/a-17643643

Swiss voters have rejected a new minimum wage of 22 Swiss francs (18 euros, $24.66) per hour in a referendum on Sunday, according to projections by Swiss broadcaster SRF. That would have soundly trumped the current highest minimum wage of 11.10 euros per hour in Luxembourg. The German cabinet has plans to implement a minimum wage of 8.50 euros per hour starting in 2015.

The minimum wage in Switzerland was touted by unions and left-leaning political parties, while parties in the current government warned about the effect the minimum wage would have on jobs. Polls ahead of the vote indicated Swiss voters were likely to reject the referendum.


2 posted on 05/18/2014 5:36:19 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Damn Swiss ray-cysts!


3 posted on 05/18/2014 5:38:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Looks like the majority of Swiss have more common sense than I thought.

I wonder how a referendum like this would play out in the USA... or for that matter , in the individual states...

For those who don’t know, a McDonald’s worker in Denmark makes $21.00/hour ( union negotiated ).

See here:

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/15/fight-for-15-try-21/


4 posted on 05/18/2014 5:39:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

10 countries that have a higher minimum wage than the United States
http://www.examiner.com/article/10-countries-that-have-a-higher-minimum-wage-than-the-united-states

Japan - $8.17 per hour

Belgium - $9.52 per hour

Canada - $9.75 per hour

United Kingdom - $9.83 per hour

Netherlands - $10.23 per hour

Ireland - $10.81 per hour

Luxembourg - $11.36 per hour

France - $12.09 per hour

New Zealand - $13.50 per hour

Australia -$16.88 per hour


5 posted on 05/18/2014 5:39:36 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Switzerland’s Minimum Wage Could Jump from $0 to $25 an Hour
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2014/05/17/minimum-wage-25-dollar-proposal-vote-switzerland/

Here in the U.S., there’s been a lot of controversy lately over plans to hike minimum wage levels at the federal, state and city level. But in Switzerland, the federal government is set to make the biggest jump in minimum wage levels in recorded history — going from $0 to $25.13 in 60 seconds (figuratively speaking).

The Swiss vote May 18 on the new minimum wage law, which would in a single stroke double wage levels over the highest rates even being considered in the U.S., create Switzerland’s first national minimum wage, and give Swiss workers the highest hourly minimum wage in the world.


6 posted on 05/18/2014 5:41:11 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

And how high are prices for goods and services in those countries?

The idiots protesting here won’t think about that.


7 posted on 05/18/2014 5:49:12 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

the Gimmies.. dont seem to be very astute when it comes to connecting the dots, do they


8 posted on 05/18/2014 5:59:31 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

One BBC report had the vote as 77% No LOL Reject is an understatement


9 posted on 05/18/2014 6:02:45 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What percent in Switzerland are Amish? The Swiss ate intelligent and they know a higher minimum wage would kill jobs.

Of course, the left wing nuts in Switzerland would say that it is needed for a living wage.

We need a ban on liberals along with a ban on ILLEGALS.

10 posted on 05/18/2014 6:07:05 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: fatnotlazy

Exactly - COLA. We hosted a young man from Switzerland one summer and he was amazed at how cheap food was (this was several years ago) especially meat and even cheese. One would assume that cheese and chocolate would be cheaper in his home country but no. So we fed him lots of meat... mostly barbecued which was his favorite. We have photos of him with stacks of rib bones in front of him, both at home (I make killer ribs) and at Arthur Bryant’s.


11 posted on 05/18/2014 6:11:15 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Supporters said the move was necessary for people to live a decent life.

But critics argued that it would raise production costs and increase unemployment.”

…this is what drives me nuts about these articles. This is NOT a matter of opinion. How do you live a “decent life” if you’re unemployed and the cost of goods is out of control? This may as well say…

“Supporters say 2 + 2 = 3”
“But Critics argued it’s 4”


12 posted on 05/18/2014 6:11:39 AM PDT by albie
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To: ExCTCitizen

Actually, we need a banishment of minimum wage and the illegals will dry up.


13 posted on 05/18/2014 6:23:44 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Two reasons why the left-wing minimum wage nonsense doesn’t play well in Switzerland:

1. They have a very strong currency, and a sound economy. Part of the reason why their economy is so sound is that they have very tight immigration controls - meaning that there are jobs for their people because they don’t import “cheap labor.”

2. They have a pretty small national budget compared to the rest of Europe because of the immigration control and their isolationism. Isolationism has many benefits, chief among them that their military spending stays mostly in-country, yielding much higher benefits to their national economy than the kind of military spending the US does, where we’re pissing away rivers of money into foreign countries. eg, all the troops we have stationed in Germany - where are they spending their consumer dollars? In Germany, which benefits the German economy, not our economy.

The same vote held here would probably pass by a comfortable margin, because we have a Federal Reserve that is designed to devalue our currency over time. Therefore the impetus to raise the minimum wage is always there over a period of decades because the spending power of the US dollar has been shrinking over time since the inception of the Federal Reserve. The Swiss Franc? Pretty strong and stable by comparison.


14 posted on 05/18/2014 6:27:02 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: the OlLine Rebel

We also need to close off the entitlement freebies.


15 posted on 05/18/2014 6:27:30 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The measure was OVERWHELMINGLY DEFEATED.

A TV network projection showed that 77% of voters rejected the union-backed measure.

SEE HERE:

http://americanthinker.com/blog/2014/05/swiss_reject_25_per_hour_minimum_wage.html


16 posted on 05/18/2014 6:32:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I like the idea that the PEOPLE get to vote on stuff like that.

...but it ONLY WORKS when the people (as a whole) are somewhat intelligent. So, hopefully, it NEVER happens here.


17 posted on 05/18/2014 7:36:47 AM PDT by BobL
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To: NVDave
A couple young Swiss guys , right outta high school were floating down the Yukon last Summer; stayed at our place a few days. They claimed the Swiss were mostly satisfied with how everything is going over there. They told me nobody made under 20 bucks/hr and quality of life was quite good. The Swiss were happy how the proportional sharing of govt power had improved government. They said now good things were getting done, less corruption, and the 4 or 5 political parties were working together outta necessity to survive.

These two guys weren't greenies or socialists; they were French Swiss one part Arab, one White and were quite aware of the politics in their Country. They would be conservatives if they were American. They also had a sense of what was best for their Country as a whole, more than most of us do.

They enjoyed shooting all my guns off my back porch bench, riding the 4 wheelers, and watching the NHL channel on Dir TV. THey both played hockey and had never seen all the games from 1930's, 1940's. on up to today. No joke, they watched hockey all night long, I went to bed. Good bunch those Swiss.

18 posted on 05/18/2014 8:15:55 AM PDT by Eska
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To: fatnotlazy

While I agree, there still is no excuse for not giving American workers a raise to match inflation. When was the last time American workers for a raise? Prices continue to skyrocket, big corporation continue to profit, yet workers wages have stagnated. Its one thing to order people to do something through the law, but it is entirely another to ignore the issue altogether.

what exactly is the Republican plan to raise wages in this country? Amnesty for illegals? Maybe flood the country with more cheap labor so the ruling elite can have their yards mowed and shoes shined and someone there to scream at and kick.


19 posted on 05/18/2014 9:10:45 AM PDT by drunknsage
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To: drunknsage
It's a tough issue. Most of the looney leftists I'm surrounded by think no business, large or small, should make a profit, or if it does make a profit, all of it should be given to the workers and/or the community. However, without a profit, businesses can't stay in business for long. Who decides how much profit is enough? Governments have tried to regulate profits with disastrous results. And I believe our socialist regime is headed down the same ruinous path.

In my view, government should stay out of business. Let the market dictate profits, prices and pay scales. And knock off those exorbitant taxes which punish anyone, individual or business, from getting ahead. I firmly believe that without government meddling, we would all be better off.

20 posted on 05/18/2014 10:12:53 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

Totally agree and Gov often becomes the problem. Republicans, or maybe just Conservatives, would do well to get in front of this issue. I don’t want to see the minimum increased, instead, I want to see us offer programs and training for these folks.

The happiest and most successful people I know are in blue collar industries. Skilled labor is hot right now and its going to blow up even further over the next ten years as more people retire. Our cultures focus on fancy degrees from Universities has left us with a massive skills gap. Transitioning job skills can be a massive hurdle, especially with work and family in the balance. There are millions of smart people out there ready and willing to do this work, we just need a solution to get them trained.

A little item I learned the other day. A friend drives trucks for a big oil company and they offer anyone... ANYONE from the janitor to the CEO job training to fill their employment vacancies in skilled labor. How awesome is that! Start off pushing paper, end up making a great salary in electrical, plumbing, welding, HVAC, the list goes on. I love these solutions! It doesn’t come from the Gov.

Paying your workers crap while taking in huge profits used to be shameful. Greed is the biggest obstacle when dealing with capitalism. Foe it to succeed, we have to have strong ethics and morals, something that has evaded humankind throughout history. What are we doing as a culture to address these issues? Anything? Television sure isn’t helping with its pop culture obsession with greed and getting ahead at all costs, aka hustling.


21 posted on 05/18/2014 10:30:42 AM PDT by drunknsage
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To: Jack Hydrazine

In Canada, the minimum wage is set provincially. Right now in Ontario, the wage just went up from 10.25 to 10.75 (Canadian), and two of the three parties in the present election are promising increases as part of their platforms—the Liberals to 11.00 and the NDP to 12.00.


22 posted on 05/18/2014 11:18:04 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: drunknsage
Where I live, those blue collar jobs are going the way of the dinosaur. There are numerous training programs in the trades. El Presidente just announced yet another job training program on one of his many campaign appearances a few weeks ago. The problem is, the jobs people are training for don't exist here.

One of our problems is weather. Construction jobs are usually 2 maybe 3 seasons a year. Can't do much in winter. So if you get a construction job here, you are only working part of the year.

And thanks to a crappy economy, there aren't that many developments going on. Money is tight and it's tough to get financial backing. At one time, with the spring thaw, you saw orange cones, scaffolding and backhoes all over the place. Now, not so much.

And you can forget manufacturing. I live in the rust belt. Steel was king. Those companies are gone and little by little smaller manufacturing is disappearing. Just heard yesterday that a glass plant locally has “suspended operations.” Workers showed up for their shift only to be told the plant was shutting down. I don't expect the operations to continue.

Many of these industries were destroyed by greedy unions and government meddling. Around here, between federal and state over-regulation and burdensome taxation, companies can't survive. I'm of the opinion that unions today are totally useless. They exist today to line the pockets of higher ups and politicians. They don't act in the best interests of the workers. Strong arming employers for ridiculously high wages and idiotic benefits like 13 week vacations only lead employers to ruin. So if SEIU unionizes restaurant workers and gets them $15/hour, what good will it do if the employers go out of business?

23 posted on 05/18/2014 1:07:25 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: SeekAndFind

“For those who don’t know, a McDonald’s worker in Denmark makes $21.00/hour ( union negotiated ).”

Answers a nagging question that I had from several years ago. The first thing I saw when I landed in Denmark was a McDonald’s ‘special’ consisting of a Quarter Pounder (with cheese), fries, and a drink - for $17. Freaked me out. I suspect the $21.00 extends well past their store workers...and up the line until you get to the farms and bakeries.

So, yes, you will still have McDonald’s, even at $21 per hour - but not nearly as many, and with as few employees as possible. It’s no coincidence that McDonald’s picked Europe as their testing ground for “electronic cashiers”.


24 posted on 05/18/2014 2:13:07 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL; Oldeconomybuyer

For those who don’t know, Switzerland has ZERO minimum wage ( and their workers still make more on average than the USA ).


25 posted on 05/18/2014 3:45:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

For those who don’t know, Switzerland has ZERO minimum wage ( and their workers still make more on average than the USA ).


26 posted on 05/18/2014 3:46:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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