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$250K fine for lying on health insurance forms
foxnews.com ^ | 5/16/14 | ap

Posted on 05/18/2014 2:30:26 PM PDT by ColdOne

The Obama administration Friday spelled out civil fines of up to $250,000 for knowingly and willfully providing false information to get taxpayer-subsidized coverage under the new health care law.

New regulations say the fines also apply for lying to escape the law's requirement that most Americans carry health insurance.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obama; obamacare; obamacarealternative; obamacareenrollment; obamacarefines; obamacaresubsidies; obamalies

1 posted on 05/18/2014 2:30:26 PM PDT by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

And they continue to re write this abysmal disaster day by day…..we do not have a Constitutional Republic anymore…..not even close.


2 posted on 05/18/2014 2:31:17 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: ColdOne

More totalitarian by the day


3 posted on 05/18/2014 2:32:12 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: ColdOne

4 posted on 05/18/2014 2:35:07 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: ColdOne

When in the Course of human events, ...


5 posted on 05/18/2014 2:35:12 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Lorianne

Does it apply to anyone other than people who try to work for a living?


6 posted on 05/18/2014 2:36:05 PM PDT by stanne
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To: ColdOne

So you sign up for free shit cause you got no dough and falsify the form.
Your fine = 250000 that you will never see and never have.Makes sense to me...

Kinda like sentencing a blind man to have his eyes removed???


7 posted on 05/18/2014 2:37:05 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: ColdOne
The Obama admin is getting nervous about the income verification process.

The backend part of the Fed website is still not in place. Thus, these ridiculous fines to scare people to not cheat.

8 posted on 05/18/2014 2:37:08 PM PDT by what's up (sun)
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To: ColdOne
No fines of course for the EXEMPT Congress,
or their EXEMPT families, or their EXEMPT
Staff,or their EXEMPT families,
nor for all EXEMPT Moslems, and all EXEMPT felons.


9 posted on 05/18/2014 2:37:27 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: ColdOne

10 posted on 05/18/2014 2:38:56 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

-Atlas Shrugged


11 posted on 05/18/2014 2:39:43 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ColdOne

So does the ObamaCare bill spell out the $250K fines? Or is this Administration writing laws now without Congress?


12 posted on 05/18/2014 2:46:38 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: ColdOne

There are legal alternatives to Obamacare’s federal exchange programs, Medicaid and Medicare.
Alternatives to Obamacare
http://tamarawilhite.hubpages.com/hub/Alternatives-to-Obamacare


13 posted on 05/18/2014 2:47:25 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: ColdOne

$250,000 is cruel and unusual punishment for lies, especially when lying is the stock in trade of politicians and the IRS.


14 posted on 05/18/2014 2:48:18 PM PDT by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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To: ColdOne

“I like my health insurance, so I’m going to keep my health insurance.” That’s going to cost me a quarter million bucks.


15 posted on 05/18/2014 2:50:29 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Wagglebee please come home we miss you! ~ Þ)
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To: ColdOne
Here it comes...

1) Do you have a gun in your house

2) If yes, how many

3) Where are they?

16 posted on 05/18/2014 2:52:10 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: ColdOne

Satire?


17 posted on 05/18/2014 2:58:56 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: ColdOne
It's so much easier to get the laws you want if you pass shell laws containing nothing and then fill them up with whatever you want on the fly.
18 posted on 05/18/2014 3:06:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (“the love that dare not speak its name” to “the love that will not shut its *bleeping* mouth”)
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To: CGASMIA68

There will be more Calvinball.

Not answering at all, of course, doesn’t mean a lie. Go Galt.


19 posted on 05/18/2014 3:08:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Convictions that will be made under this law: 0.0
Deterrence effect of this new law: 0.0


20 posted on 05/18/2014 3:08:57 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: ColdOne
In order to insure the uninsured, we first have to un-insure the insured.

Next we require the newly un-insured to be re-insured.

To re-insure the newly un-insured, they are required to pay extra charges to be re-insured.

The extra charges are required so that the original insured, who became un-insured, and then became re-insured, can pay enough extra so that the original un-insured can be insured for free.

There, I hope that this clarifies this issue once & for all.

21 posted on 05/18/2014 3:09:42 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The purpose behind this move is clearly so the Obama/Holder justice department can prosecute those they wish to for political purposes.

An obvious conservative who doesn't subscribe is surely heading for trouble while some on the the Chicago who figures out how to scam the system will not even get a second glance.

22 posted on 05/18/2014 3:21:22 PM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: ColdOne

Everyone will be a criminal one way or another. That’s how control will be maintained. Cue that speech from ‘1984.’


23 posted on 05/18/2014 3:22:16 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: Baynative

(damn! - no edit function)


24 posted on 05/18/2014 3:22:47 PM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: ColdOne

How about fining all the jag-offs who lied and claimed it would lower the average cost of health insurance by $2500 per family a cool quarter million?


25 posted on 05/18/2014 3:26:13 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Hoodat

Hussein writes “rules”, which have the same effect as laws but are not laws. He can write, and does, rules for every agency of government under the control of the president. We have a dictator without the actual title.


26 posted on 05/18/2014 3:27:04 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: ColdOne

So what is the ‘fine’ for lying about birth certificates, social security numbers, Benghazi, et al ad infantum? What is the ‘fine’ for lying every time his lips are moving? La Guillotine cries out for a head...


27 posted on 05/18/2014 3:28:46 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: SkyDancer

you write:”In order to insure the uninsured, we first have to un-insure the insured.

Next we require the newly un-insured to be re-insured.

To re-insure the newly un-insured, they are required to pay extra charges to be re-insured.

The extra charges are required so that the original insured, who became un-insured, and then became re-insured, can pay enough extra so that the original un-insured can be insured for free.”

BRILLIANT! :)

It even elicited a chuckle out of me - much needed on this gloomy day and this gloomy time in our country

Can I steal it?


28 posted on 05/18/2014 3:31:22 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: The Antiyuppie; Baynative

Nah, look at Baynative’s post 22


29 posted on 05/18/2014 3:38:40 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: ColdOne
civil fines of up to $250,000 ... also apply for lying to escape the law's requirement that most Americans carry health insurance.

OK, OK, you can have the $95.

30 posted on 05/18/2014 3:43:47 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: SkyDancer

love it


31 posted on 05/18/2014 3:47:26 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: ColdOne

How much is Obama going to be fined for his lies and those of his administration?


32 posted on 05/18/2014 3:48:02 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: maine-iac7

Hi - It’s yours to use.


33 posted on 05/18/2014 3:48:19 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: MUDDOG

It’s the greater of $95 or 1% of your gross income.

So, if your gross income is less than $9,500, then it’s $95.


34 posted on 05/18/2014 3:49:16 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: Vigilanteman

“How about fining all the jag-offs who lied and claimed it would lower the average cost of health insurance by $2500 per family a cool quarter million?”

Because that would basically cover the entire membership of the Democratic Party, this would actually put a small, but noticeable dent in the national debt. I think that this is a great idea.


35 posted on 05/18/2014 3:50:46 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: savedbygrace
The 1% would be a lot for Rush.

He's said he's not going to get an O'care-compliant policy, and that he's going to claim hardship to avoid the tax. Now he may be looking at a $250,000 fine.

36 posted on 05/18/2014 3:57:31 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: ColdOne

The government has lied to me over and over again.

I think they owe me around 10,000,000,000,000 by now.

F U B O!


37 posted on 05/18/2014 4:12:11 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Caipirabob

“3) Where are they?”

Right...[click]...here!


38 posted on 05/18/2014 4:24:13 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: ColdOne

“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.” L. Beria.

Anything can be a crime now that we are ruled by criminals. That’s what the bullet buys, SWAT teams, armored vehicles for police departments, and FEMA camps are for. Once the Feds have a pretext for a variation of martial law (they’ll never call it what it is), they’ll have multiple means of neutralizing inconvienient individuals.


39 posted on 05/18/2014 4:28:10 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: ColdOne

Whoa.


40 posted on 05/18/2014 5:28:12 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: bkopto
$250,000 is cruel and unusual punishment for lies, especially when lying is the stock in trade of politicians and the IRS.

You nailed it.

41 posted on 05/18/2014 5:29:26 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82

how else are they gonna fund this beast?


42 posted on 05/18/2014 5:53:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ColdOne

the penalty for lying about you can keep your insurance and doctor should be the needle


43 posted on 05/18/2014 6:01:01 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: ColdOne

remind me again, what’s the fine for lying on your taxes by using another’s social security number?


44 posted on 05/18/2014 6:02:10 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: ColdOne

If, only, they were this tough on illegal immigrants.


45 posted on 05/18/2014 6:06:53 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: CGASMIA68
Your fine = 250000 that you will never see and never have.Makes sense to me...

Not to worry, this is just the first step. Expect it to expand and cover everyone that fails to sign up for Ocare or that doesn't read all of the law and regulations or that insults Ocare or anything else they want. It's just tyranny in action.

46 posted on 05/18/2014 6:17:24 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: SkyDancer

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r102/tuck7er/120104f_eyebrows-1.gif


47 posted on 05/18/2014 9:42:18 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: ColdOne
Things that make you go hhhmmmmm ...
Why isn't Obama fined for his pathological, serial LIES to the American People?
Would it be racist to fine Obama for his egregious whoppers?
48 posted on 05/19/2014 4:49:03 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: ColdOne

TA-HA-HA-HA-HA.


49 posted on 05/20/2014 9:34:01 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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