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Will He or Won't He? N.J. Magazine Ban Heading to Christie's Desk
NRA-ILA ^ | 5-16-2014 | NRA

Posted on 05/18/2014 3:31:19 PM PDT by servo1969

Gun control supporters appear poised to force New Jersey's Republican governor, Chris Christie, often discussed as a potential presidential candidate in 2016, to show where he stands on the Second Amendment. On Monday, the state's Senate passed A2006, legislation to lower the state's magazine-capacity limit from 15 rounds to 10 rounds, by a vote of 22-17, mostly along party lines. The bill will be sent to Christie for signature or veto after the Assembly, which previously approved it by a vote of 46-31, approves technical changes made to the bill by the Senate. Once the bill reaches Christie's desk, he will have 45 days to make his decision.

Some Second Amendment supporters believe that Christie's presidential aspirations hinge on what he does with A2006. One commentator suggested that "New Jersey's absurd citizen control fetish doesn't play well in New Hampshire, Iowa, Colorado, Minnesota, Missouri, Utah, Nevada, South Carolina, North Carolina, Arizona, or Michigan. Any candidate that doesn't do well in these early primaries can kiss their (sic) presidential aspirations goodbye, and one of the fastest ways to sink a Republican nomination in the current political environment is to be seen as a champion of gun control."

Central to the political battle over the legislation, gun control supporters and opponents disagree on the ability of a 10-round limit to prevent murders. The Star-Ledger reported that the new ban's supporters claim that "in the case of mass shooters, the few seconds it takes to change a magazine could provide bystanders a chance to stop the shooter."

Similarly, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported that "Supporters of the legislation say forcing shooters to reload more frequently could give potential victims a chance to escape." However, the paper noted, "Sen. Mike Doherty (R., Warren), an Army veteran, countered 'Changing a magazine is about the simplest thing you can do. It takes a couple seconds.'"

Sen. Doherty's point was made previously on page 74 of the official report on the terrible shootings at Virginia Tech University in 2007. The report stated, "The (investigating) panel concluded that 10-round magazines that were legal would have not made much difference in the incident. Even pistols with rapid loaders could have been about as deadly in this situation."

Gun control supporters' focus on mass shootings may be good for grabbing headlines and ramming restrictions into place, but cannot possibly be so good for reducing the number of murders in general. Mass shootings account for a small percentage of victims killed with guns, and fewer victims than are accounted for by murders not involving firearms of any sort.

Setting those facts aside for the sake of discussion, however, a limit on magazine capacity will necessarily have less impact upon perpetrators of mass shootings than upon people targeted by those crimes' perpetrators. That is due to the simple fact, underscored by Sen. Doherty's comment and the assessment of the Virginia Tech panel, that a criminal can carry as many magazines as he wants, but an innocent person carrying a firearm for self-defense will often carry only the magazine inserted into the firearm. In such instances, the difference between 15 and 10 rounds might be the difference between life and death.

That, by itself, is sufficient reason for Gov. Christie to veto A2006.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; a2006; arizona; ban; banglist; chrischristie; christie; colorado; election2014; election2016; iowa; michigan; minnesota; missouri; nevada; newhampshire; newjersey; northcarolina; nra; secondamendment; southcarolina; utah

I hope I'm wrong for New Jersey Freepers' sakes but I have no doubt he will sign it.
Because I think he's a North Eastern city-boy jackass who doesn't know from nothing about firearms.

1 posted on 05/18/2014 3:31:19 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

For later.


2 posted on 05/18/2014 3:34:51 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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To: servo1969
Christie might think he's banning the New Jersey magazine...
3 posted on 05/18/2014 3:38:58 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: servo1969

Christie is weak on the 2nd Amendment. That and some other rino tendencies makes him unacceptable to me as a candidate. There are only a few issues where I am totally inflexible. The 2nd Amendment and all the other provisions listed in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, for that matter, are non-negotiable.


4 posted on 05/18/2014 3:41:33 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: servo1969

I don’t have much faith that he’ll veto this bill, but he may. I’ve resigned myself that this will ultimately happen once another donk is in Trenton, so if not now, in 2016.

As a larger issue, the article makes a point that is true, but is misleading.

>>Sen. Doherty’s point was made previously on page 74 of the official report on the terrible shootings at Virginia Tech University in 2007. The report stated, “The (investigating) panel concluded that 10-round magazines that were legal would have not made much difference in the incident.<<

10 round magazines would not have made much difference? No, it wouldn’t have made ANY difference because Cho used 10 round magazines.


5 posted on 05/18/2014 3:42:59 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: chajin

Christie might think he’s banning the New Jersey magazine..”

When I first glanced at the headline I thought maybe he was taking on the porno magazine industry - seriously!


6 posted on 05/18/2014 3:44:04 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: 3Fingas

You will NEVER EVER vote then. The ENTIRETY of the fed welfare state is clearly, openly, obviously ,blatantly unconstitutional, and no republican has ever said so.


7 posted on 05/18/2014 3:45:18 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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To: 3Fingas

Its surprising and sad how many FReepers will sell out on guns for a “win”.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3156961/posts


8 posted on 05/18/2014 3:47:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: servo1969

The fat-ass oaf should just join the dem party and get it over with.


9 posted on 05/18/2014 3:47:58 PM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

We all know this ends in blood.
Don’t we?


10 posted on 05/18/2014 3:48:48 PM PDT by Flintlock (islam is a LIE, mohammmud a CRIMINAL, sharia is POISON!)
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To: Flintlock

I pray to God that it does.


11 posted on 05/18/2014 3:51:11 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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To: servo1969

He knows enough about guns to know he wants the public disarmed.


12 posted on 05/18/2014 3:53:02 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: servo1969

Go ahead fat man, drive that nail in your presidential aspirations coffin.


13 posted on 05/18/2014 3:53:33 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: servo1969


14 posted on 05/18/2014 4:07:35 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: servo1969

Let him sign it. Then let him try to run for a national office again.


15 posted on 05/18/2014 4:13:56 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: servo1969

I hope he signs it. It will boost his rino reputation and kill his presidential campaign.
Sorry NJ patriots. But at this time, NJ as a whole, no longer advances the cause of liberty.


16 posted on 05/18/2014 4:18:58 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: servo1969
Mr. Goodyear will sign it, and he'll do it gladly.

He's a damned rino and anyone that can't see that is a fool.

It'll be a cold day in hell before he gets my vote, and I don't give a damn who else is running.

17 posted on 05/18/2014 4:28:13 PM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: chajin

Yeah, this country is so effed up I half expected this article to be about banning magazines because they waste paper and trees.


18 posted on 05/18/2014 4:45:49 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: servo1969

Fat boi won’t sell outside Jersey. He’s toast.


19 posted on 05/18/2014 4:49:59 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Good point. I guess we, as a country, have been compromising since before I was born. I suppose what I am trying to say is “no more”. We can’t fix it over night. The only way to do it is start to roll things back a little at a time.


20 posted on 05/18/2014 4:50:39 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: servo1969

If he signs it he is toast in any future republican election. The people who live in NJ and subject themselves to the lunacy may just deserve what they get. I would leave.


21 posted on 05/18/2014 4:58:08 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Just doing laps around the sun and shaking my head that progressives can believe what they do!)
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To: servo1969

If gun magazine banners saw what Jerry Michlek can do with a revolver and a speed loader, they would have apoplectic fits.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw


22 posted on 05/18/2014 5:36:34 PM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: servo1969

he will sign it.


23 posted on 05/18/2014 5:40:32 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: servo1969
Go for it Christie...sign it, we all know ya want to.

These liberal Northeastern yankees just love controlling other folks.

Guys like this just suck the air out of a room. Loud, obnoxious, know it all and argumentative.

24 posted on 05/18/2014 7:24:33 PM PDT by servantboy777
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