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Warning: The Literary Canon Could Make Students Squirm
The New York Times ^ | May 17, 2014 | Jennifer Medina

Posted on 05/18/2014 5:44:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

SANTA BARBARA, Calif. — Should students about to read “The Great Gatsby” be forewarned about “a variety of scenes that reference gory, abusive and misogynistic violence,” as one Rutgers student proposed? Would any book that addresses racism — like “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” or “Things Fall Apart” — have to be preceded by a note of caution? Do sexual images from Greek mythology need to come with a viewer-beware label?

Colleges across the country this spring have been wrestling with student requests for what are known as “trigger warnings,” explicit alerts that the material they are about to read or see in a classroom might upset them or, as some students assert, cause symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder in victims of rape or in war veterans.

The warnings, which have their ideological roots in feminist thought, have gained the most traction at the University of California, Santa Barbara, where the student government formally called for them. But there have been similar requests from students at Oberlin College, Rutgers University, the University of Michigan, George Washington University and other schools....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: college; education; literature; politicalcorrectness
How did this country win two world wars and the cold war? Seriously.
1 posted on 05/18/2014 5:44:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Honestly, I think nowadays college makes one stupider.


2 posted on 05/18/2014 5:48:07 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We have become a nation of pussies.


3 posted on 05/18/2014 5:48:22 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (Posting here = IRS audit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s a good question, no doubt. The most important question is “Can what’s left of this nation win the next big war?”


4 posted on 05/18/2014 5:48:36 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We were a different people in a different time and place. Today’s inculcated fragile flowers have no interest in winning any war except the one against traditional thought and values.


5 posted on 05/18/2014 5:48:37 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Assuming college is still viable, period, I think the only way to go is parochial— at least for undergrad. The Christian colleges, especially, might still venerate the Western canon; they in fact seem to go together very well.


6 posted on 05/18/2014 5:50:20 PM PDT by MoochPooch (I'm a compassionate cynic.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We're raising a nation of pussies...

Oh, should I have warned you about the truth?

7 posted on 05/18/2014 5:50:43 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s my suggestion. WARNING: This book was written before politically correct censorship. You may learn something you didn’t know before.


8 posted on 05/18/2014 5:51:22 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who said we won ?


9 posted on 05/18/2014 5:51:42 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anti-gun organizations raise protests to stop teaching “literary canons.”


10 posted on 05/18/2014 5:52:06 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I know, but remember, 33% of the country wanted independence, 33% wanted to stay with the king of England, and 33% didn’t care either way...It’s which 33% wants to win badly enough. Remember also that the 33% side that lost the war was considered much more powerful.


11 posted on 05/18/2014 5:56:51 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...Heinlein’s two most famous novels are Starship Troopers and Stranger in a Strange Land. The first challenges the orthodoxy of the Left as much as the second does that of the Right. But in his day, few science fiction readers were offended by his or anyone’s ideas. Science fiction was proud to be a literature of the new and startling. A spirit of intellectual fearlessness was paramount.

A darker time followed. The lamps of the intellect were put out one by one, first in society at large, then in literature, then in our little corner called science fiction. What we have now instead is a smothering fog of caution, of silence, of an unwillingness to speak for fear of offending the perpetually hypersensitive.

Science fiction is under the control of the thought police. The chains are invisible, but real. For a genre that glories in counting George Orwell as one of its own, this is ironic, to say the least.”

—John C. Wright, from here:

http://www.intercollegiatereview.com/index.php/2014/05/07/heinlein-hugos-and-hogwash/

Pretty good article, points out that Heinlein couldn’t win a Hugo today. Have to think that a lot of the supposed classics of literature wouldn’t cut it either if they came out now.

Freegards


12 posted on 05/18/2014 5:59:21 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Real literature deals with the issues of life. If students can’t handle a book, I don’t imagine they can handle life either. Better that they crawl under the bed, assume the fetal position, and suck their thumbs. Or, and this is a novel thought, they could break themselves away from idiotic professors and frigging grow up.


13 posted on 05/18/2014 6:00:29 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

““The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” or “Things Fall Apart””

Two great novels.

As far as “warnings” go, bleah. I can see it, maybe, in a very few cases of younger kids given challenging material. For example, in junior high we read the Greek fable “The Rape of Persephone.” My English teacher took a moment out to explain that “rape” in this case, was referring to a kidnapping, not a sexual assault (or what Whoopi would call “rape rape”). It cleared things up without further issue.

But for grown adults? Get real. If you can’t handle a few bad words in Huck Finn or Grapes of Wrath by the time you’re old enough to go to college, I think you have deeper issues than just dealing with offensive language.


14 posted on 05/18/2014 6:04:22 PM PDT by DemforBush (A repo man is always intense.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It seems like maturity is coming later and later these days. Our generation’s boys went through the “pajama boy” stage at about age 8. From my perspective, this generation is just maturing much, much slower. Age 20 is more like where we were at 13 or 14. Age 25? Time to start thinking about full time work and a real career. Age 30? Maybe get married (children later). There are exceptions of course, but that’s how I see it. Add maybe a decade or more of immaturity for leftist males, and some of them never grow up.


15 posted on 05/18/2014 6:04:23 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (America for Americans first!)
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Well, next they will be putting a warning label on the Holy Bible. The old testament is about the most violent book there ever was. And then of course the whole Bible must be condemned and burned because God says what will happen to homosexuals.
16 posted on 05/18/2014 6:05:46 PM PDT by Vinylly (?%)
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To: DemforBush

Uhh, hate to dispute your teacher, but Hades rape-raped Persephone too.

Or at least as much as any of the captive women in the Iliad were rape-raped. Women of the time were aware that captives became the sex slaves of the conqueror, so possibly violence was less necessary than for a modern woman with different expectations.


17 posted on 05/18/2014 6:14:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Ransomed

18 posted on 05/18/2014 6:14:48 PM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For God’s sake, don’t let the little dears near the Bible!


19 posted on 05/18/2014 6:18:31 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Oh...wait...


20 posted on 05/18/2014 6:19:13 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: DemforBush

My English teacher took a moment out to explain that “rape” in this case, was referring to a kidnapping, not a sexual assault (or what Whoopi would call “rape rape”). It cleared things up without further issue.

Did your teacher explain to you anything about the
cult of Demeter and the rites of Eleusis?


21 posted on 05/18/2014 6:21:15 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We wont win the third, I assure you.

Drama queens!


22 posted on 05/18/2014 6:22:04 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Maceman

I was forced to read Things Fall Apart my Sophomore year of college, the black Nigeria Rutgers University professor that taught the class was a through and through Marxist. She would go on and on to the point I once got up and walked out of her class.

Things Fall Apart, as I recall, doesn’t really feature racism in a modern standard, but shows culture clash.


23 posted on 05/18/2014 6:39:56 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The warnings are probably just for gender normative sex


24 posted on 05/18/2014 6:43:19 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Maceman

Outside of engineering, college has made people dumber since the sixties.


25 posted on 05/18/2014 7:15:02 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a classic epidemic of hysteria, like fear of witches.


26 posted on 05/18/2014 7:59:02 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Easy.... the current crop of dolts weren’t in charge


27 posted on 05/18/2014 9:21:20 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Sherman Logan

Well, poop. So much for that example. :-)


28 posted on 05/18/2014 9:57:37 PM PDT by DemforBush (A repo man is always intense.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

On the other hand, anyone offended by being forced to attend classes on the normalization of bondage, dildos and gay sex edging is considered to be paleo-sexist, potentially abusive and in need of acceptance training subject to peer review before they can continue with subject-matter classes for their math degree.


29 posted on 05/18/2014 10:54:57 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

On the other hand, anyone offended by being forced to attend classes on the normalization of bondage, dildos and gay sex edging is considered to be paleo-sexist, potentially abusive and in need of acceptance training subject to peer review before they can continue with subject-matter classes for their math degree.

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What schools are requiring these classes?

No need to answer, none are.


30 posted on 05/19/2014 8:14:03 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
What schools are requiring these classes?

No need to answer, none are.

Incredible how Leftists always don't want to hear an answer. They start with "no need," and then pass laws until they get to "shut up or die."

Because, of course, it's way too hard to do a Google search on "college lgbt sensitivity training" right? Or keep up with the news of, oh, I don't know, the last ten or fifteen years?

And look at your hypocrisy - you want to force everyone to have to learn all about homosexual sex in every detail - but then ban anyone from talking about the fact that they had to learn it.

Yeah, that's sanity.

31 posted on 05/19/2014 11:16:46 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

What the hell are you talking about? I have had three kids graduate from college in the last 7 years. But you get your info from the media so you are superior? I don’t need to google it, I just talk to my 20 something year kids. What a hoot you are.


32 posted on 05/19/2014 1:10:49 PM PDT by dmz
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What the hell are you talking about? I have had three kids graduate from college in the last 7 years. But you get your info from the media so you are superior? I don’t need to google it, I just talk to my 20 something year kids. What a hoot you are.

So you refuse to read the news.

And you deny the very existence - let alone the extremity and oppressiveness - of the homosexual sensitivity training enforced against virtually ever student in every university and college (except, apparently, the ones your kids attended).

M'kay, thanks for clearing that up.

It matches your "don't bother to reply."

33 posted on 05/19/2014 1:20:11 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

LOL, so you have no direct or indirect experience with what you are talking about but you still have the need to speak. That’s great. As I said in the previous post, I get my news on this topic from people who actually went to said seminars, not pundits carrying on about them, or folks like you who carry these orientation seminars to a completely illogical extreme.

An hour or 2 seminar as a college freshman is not a class, and it covers a wide range of topics. I never indicated the orientation doesn’t exist, but they are not classes like the ones the kids sign up for. Very different things, doncha think?

And one more time, as you seem to have issues with the cotton in your ears ... the sessions are not detailed about the topics that seem to get you hot.

But for some reason, I expect more silly vitriol coming from you, because I just don’t see it the same as you.

I’m OK with that, given the nature of anonymous Internet forums.


34 posted on 05/19/2014 1:42:44 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Sherman Logan; DemforBush
Uhh, hate to dispute your teacher, but Hades rape-raped Persephone too.

Witnesses?

35 posted on 05/19/2014 1:49:33 PM PDT by x
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Yep. But they’re all dead. He IS Hades, after all.


36 posted on 05/19/2014 2:00:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: dmz
I’m OK with that, given the nature of anonymous Internet forums.

You say, anonymously.

But for some reason, I expect more silly vitriol coming from you, because I just don’t see it the same as you.

You say, with silly vitriol and attempting, yet again, to keep me from speaking.

LOL, you are arguing against a massive, well known, constantly discussed reality experienced by millions of people.

Therefore, except within the confines of yet another overblown, sophmoric Leftist NLP meme tactic (and when are they not?), you are irrelevent.

37 posted on 05/19/2014 2:10:22 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Being called irrelevant by an anonymous poster on an Internet forum is not much of a put down. Keep trying.


38 posted on 05/19/2014 11:37:28 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

LOL, you say, anonymously.


39 posted on 05/20/2014 2:29:17 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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