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Racism claim dooms bid to honor Mark Twain in NV
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | May 18, 2014 | MARTIN GRIFFITH

Posted on 05/18/2014 7:47:58 PM PDT by artichokegrower

RENO, Nev. (AP) — A state panel has effectively killed a bid to name a Lake Tahoe cove for Mark Twain, citing opposition from a tribe that says he held racist views on Native Americans.

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How about if someone in the Washoe Tribe come up with someone who has had the same literary achievements as Mark Twain. Building Indian casinos is no claim to glory.
1 posted on 05/18/2014 7:47:58 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower
Not only that, Huck Finn used the N-word.
2 posted on 05/18/2014 7:50:44 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: artichokegrower

How tiresome this racism thing has become.


3 posted on 05/18/2014 7:53:07 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: artichokegrower

I would hold racist views too if the only thing you were good at was scalping and slavery. I mean, why are these clowns so bitchy about? They get more free welfare and tax-free casinos
than the average liberal voter.


4 posted on 05/18/2014 7:53:21 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Salvey

SO TIRESOME/ rolling eyes.


5 posted on 05/18/2014 7:54:15 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: artichokegrower

This fascism is getting ridiculous


6 posted on 05/18/2014 7:55:06 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: artichokegrower

I’m almost ready to throw in the towel.


7 posted on 05/18/2014 7:56:37 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: artichokegrower

They should be fine with “Redskins’ Cove”.


8 posted on 05/18/2014 7:56:43 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: artichokegrower
Mark Twain wrote and spoke eloquently against prejudice of all kinds. He took a lot of abuse for it in his time. At least the people who slandered him then had read his books. These people obviously have not.

“I have no prejudices against any particular race of man. The fact alone that he is a human is cause enough for me to loath him.”

9 posted on 05/18/2014 7:58:40 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: Salvey

Was his statement an accurate reflection of the people at the time?

Why is it racist for someone to state what he observes?


10 posted on 05/18/2014 7:59:32 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: artichokegrower
I suspect that somewhere Sam Clemens is shaking his head, lifting a bourbon and thinking something like:

“Political correctness is a doctrine,
fostered by a delusional, illogical minority,
and promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition
that it is entirely possible to pick up
a piece of shit by the clean end.”
Unknown

11 posted on 05/18/2014 8:01:03 PM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

He also said funny things about the Irish, and Italians. See his Library of wit and humor for some FUNNY ONES!

I liked the one about the ship’s captain who was asked to pray during a storm.
The one about the Negro barber who quit going to church.(Hillarious!)
The one about the Irish mother’s son getting out of prison,

And the one where a business man mistakes a customer’s description of a sickness as an Italian thug.


12 posted on 05/18/2014 8:01:55 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: artichokegrower

You can’t hold people of the part to today’s standards. Lincoln said things which would be considered as vile racism today yet he wasn’t.


13 posted on 05/18/2014 8:05:17 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: CrazyIvan

How many have completely missed the message against racism in Huck Finn?

Lots of complaints about the language but the language is where the subtle shift against racism is shown.


14 posted on 05/18/2014 8:06:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: artichokegrower
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15 posted on 05/18/2014 8:06:14 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: yarddog

Correction: People of the past. Your spell checker won’t catch the wrong word if is another word spelled correctly.


16 posted on 05/18/2014 8:06:32 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: artichokegrower

I remarked a few years back, after one of my trips abroad, that “travel to other countries and cultures should cure racism”.

My statement was tossed back in my face as a plagarism to a similar statement Mark Twain once uttered.

I was unaware of his comment but, it is true or should be of any one right in the head.


17 posted on 05/18/2014 8:07:15 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: artichokegrower

Samuel Clemens, aka ‘Mark Twain’ (which refers to measuring the depth of the waterway at various points along the route) doesn’t NEED to be honored ANYWHERE other than up and down The Mighty Mississippi!

FU Nevada!


18 posted on 05/18/2014 8:07:36 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: artichokegrower

The things people with too much time on their hands come up with...


19 posted on 05/18/2014 8:13:16 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: yarddog

Ty Cobb is another who has been unfairly treated by history.

Things like opening the first negro hospital in the Atlanta area and staffing it with black doctors at a time when blacks were being turned away at other hospitals. He was meanspirited in personal relationships and especially disliked the press and the press used their power against him.


20 posted on 05/18/2014 8:13:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I also loved Twain’s story about Christ visiting a church and being run out because he was too peace loving. Oh, and in, I think, “Roughing It” where he describes a runaway campfire burning up the forest around Tahoe.


21 posted on 05/18/2014 8:16:03 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: artichokegrower

Twain did make some very accurate and cutting observations of the Plains Indians, which while not complementary in the slightest, were *true*. He had a very sharp tongue. This is not a long essay, but a biting one. Memorable.

The Noble Red Man

http://twain.lib.virginia.edu/projects/rissetto/redman.html


22 posted on 05/18/2014 8:17:08 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Salvey

Bingo!


23 posted on 05/18/2014 8:19:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: artichokegrower

You know what? I’ll bet that the people really putting up all the resistance were not really even Native Americans at all:

There is a certain type of liberal honky whose sole expression of secular religiosity is ferreting out and punishing some completely made-up form of racial prejudice.

The campaign of reputational destruction is sort of like going on a religious retreat, or singing at some kind of revival.

They imagine they’re ferreting out some form of sin, or that they’re sending some very bad devil back to hell, and if they can wow others in the process of doing that then they feel really powerful.


24 posted on 05/18/2014 8:22:01 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: cripplecreek
The chapter where Huck has his epiphany and realizes that Jim is just as human as him and probably more noble is one of the most moving in literature. Huck literally decides he would rather go to hell than betray Jim. And some people won't read it because their sanctimoniousness won't let them get past the “N” word.
25 posted on 05/18/2014 8:24:39 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: CrazyIvan

“All right then, I’ll go to hell!” is the greatest line in American literature and one of the greatest lines in all of literature anywhere, anytime.


26 posted on 05/18/2014 8:26:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: artichokegrower

Twain also wrote an essay on masturbation: “Some Thoughts On The Science Of Onanism” and I believe he read portions to a prominent literary society.
They did not appreciate his insights any more than the Native Americans did his portrayal of ‘Injun Joe’ in “Tom Sawyer.”
So, like Twain I suppose we might suggest to the Injuns that they go ____ themselves?


27 posted on 05/18/2014 8:26:51 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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I do not know which one of Noah’s sons is the ancestor of these indians but but the old man should have pulled up the gangplank before the little sob could board.


28 posted on 05/18/2014 8:28:43 PM PDT by Holdem Or Foldem (Life isn't fair, so wear a cup.)
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To: CrazyIvan

“I have no prejudices against any particular race of man. The fact alone that he is a human is cause enough for me to loath him.”


I will second that.


29 posted on 05/18/2014 8:32:04 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: artichokegrower

parts of Clark county was named Pah-Ute county and parts named Mohave county on 12/22/1865.

http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/Depts/parks/Documents/centennial/history-timeline.pdf

Twain referring to Pah-Ute county as Pi-Ute would have been gramatically correct. Pah-Ute was an translation attempt at spelling Pai, which sounds like “Pie”, as in Hualapai, Havasupai, Yavapai, Hopi, (hopai) PaiUte, ShoPai, Ipai, PaiPai (and the ancestors, the Pai).

“A culture called the Patayan would appear in lower Mohave County and the interior of Arizona about A.D. 700. Subgroups of this culture would include the Cerbat and Cohonina in the inland areas and the Amacava along the Colorado River. It is believed the Cerbat are a direct link to the Pai (Hualapai and others).... By historic times in A.D. 1600, the Mojave, Hualapai and the Paiute were the three main tribes of Mohave County”


30 posted on 05/18/2014 8:47:17 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: Salvey
"How tiresome this racism/climate change/illegal alien/homosexual/minimum wage/et al thing has become."

Tiresome? I agree. So let's get off our a**es and start using pop culture to reach and deprogram those who were programmed to believe all these lies by pop culture in the first place. It's the only way we're eve going to reach Generation.com.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

31 posted on 05/18/2014 8:50:52 PM PDT by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: yarddog

Lincoln said things which would be considered as vile racism today yet he wasn’t.


Really?

“On September 22, 1862, President Lincoln published the Emancipation Proclamation, declaring that as of January 1, 1863, all slaves would be set free...in the 10 states of the Confederation which were “in rebellion against the United States.” The slaves in the states that, willingly or unwillingly, were not part of the Confederacy, such as Kentucky, Maryland, or Delaware, were to remain in chains. The hypocrisy of the Emancipation Proclamation was so blatant that even Lincoln’s loyal secretary of state, William Seward, sarcastically observed, “We show our sympathy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them and holding them in bondage where we can set them free.”

Lincoln - “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Granted, he was a product of his times, but if his beliefs weren’t racist, what would would qualify as racist?


32 posted on 05/18/2014 8:58:26 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Holdem Or Foldem

I do not know which one of Noah’s sons is the ancestor of these indians but but the old man should have pulled up the gangplank before the little sob could board.


Thats what Jesus would do, right?


33 posted on 05/18/2014 9:00:44 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

You can call that narrative accurate. I’d call it incredibly arrogant and ignorant.


34 posted on 05/18/2014 9:01:17 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: artichokegrower
There is a wonderful passage in Roughing It ostensibly making fun of the Goshute Indians...but you can't expect liberal activists to understand sarcasm or irony.
35 posted on 05/18/2014 9:03:18 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: artichokegrower

Not surprising from a state that keeps electing a hump like Harry Reid....


36 posted on 05/18/2014 9:25:08 PM PDT by clintonh8r (#Don't give up! The liberals are buggering and aborting themselves into extinction.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

so does Jay Z but he’s in the kitchen cabinet of the magic negro presidency


37 posted on 05/18/2014 9:29:08 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: artichokegrower

Shouldn’t California change it’s State Animal from the Golden Bear? That was the name of some Indian hunters in Northern Cal.


38 posted on 05/18/2014 9:29:11 PM PDT by bray (Palin 2016)
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To: chessplayer

What Jesus would do if it can be fathomed creates no obligation in me to do likewise.


39 posted on 05/18/2014 9:37:59 PM PDT by Holdem Or Foldem (Life isn't fair, so wear a cup.)
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To: chessplayer

Doesn’t Obama compare himself to Lincoln???


40 posted on 05/18/2014 9:42:18 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: artichokegrower

Mark Twain, in his day, called Lake Tahoe “The Fairest Picture the Whole Earth Affords.”

He deserves to have a cove named after him. If the Washoe Tribe doesn’t like it, who the hell cares?


41 posted on 05/18/2014 10:35:57 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: Holdem Or Foldem

“What Jesus would do if it can be fathomed creates no obligation in me to do likewise.”

Actually, it does.


42 posted on 05/18/2014 10:52:48 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Salvey; bboop

“How tiresome this racism thing has become.”

I wish it was only tiresome, an annoyance... I could put up with that by simply ignoring it.

Unfortunately it pervades all our thoughts and actions. If you’re at all in the public sphere, you have to walk on eggshells as the thought police monitors not only what you’re saying today but what you said 20 years ago (e.g.Paula Dean, Mark Twain, Churchill).

And even if you tow the line that doesn’t save you. Just this week Rev Jackson went on a shakedown trip to California to play race card with Google, demanding that they hire more “minority”, even though probably half their workforce are chinese, indian and middle-easterns. I take it he meant something else by “minority”.

Of course Google, like a pathetic obedient poodle readily confessed their sins and complied.


43 posted on 05/18/2014 11:10:42 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: artichokegrower

If Twain is to be considered racist, then all treaties with the so called “Native” Americans should be declared null and void due to the racist government persons who penned them.


44 posted on 05/18/2014 11:13:35 PM PDT by Birdsbane ("Onward through the fog!" ... Oat Willie)
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To: artichokegrower

Twain also said, “To arrive at a just estimate of a renowned man’s character one must judge it by the standards of his time, not ours.”


45 posted on 05/18/2014 11:15:08 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: taterjay

Doesn’t Obama compare himself to Lincoln???


Sure does.


46 posted on 05/19/2014 1:20:04 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Vendome
I remarked a few years back, after one of my trips abroad, that “travel to other countries and cultures should cure racism”. My statement was tossed back in my face as a plagarism to a similar statement Mark Twain once uttered. I was unaware of his comment but, it is true or should be of any one right in the head.

Mark Twain was a thinker and has many good quotes to choose from - all making perfect sense even today. I like the one where he says that "Worry is like making advance payment for something you're not likely to get anyway".

But, along with characters saying the "N-word" and other "racist" traits, he also helped cut down a huge redwood in Sequoia National Park outside of Fresno - I was in the area some years ago and made the tip to hike a bit and saw it. The dang noble-tree killer doesn't deserve to even be remembered.../s

I think he had enough stories and quotes that mock the Left with truth, and that is the real reason behind the deal.

47 posted on 05/19/2014 3:12:41 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: wku man
Tiresome? I agree. So let's get off our a**es and start using pop culture to reach and deprogram those who were programmed to believe all these lies by pop culture in the first place. It's the only way we're eve going to reach Generation.com.

Agreed. Bravely retreating from the culture war is still retreating. I'm a merciless pimp of "Turn" on AMC because I want to get as many viewers as possible to encourage them to make such patriotic television with such a strong historical background. At the same time I'm suggesting that they take a second look at picking up "Courage New Hampshire".
48 posted on 05/19/2014 3:32:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

From the Declaration Of Independence:

“He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.”


49 posted on 05/19/2014 4:13:38 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Cor 16: 32)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Twain also made a few observations about the French.


50 posted on 05/19/2014 4:58:01 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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