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Michael Sam may have violated NCAA rules [Vanity]
self | 19 May 2014 | Bjørn Radtke

Posted on 05/19/2014 12:48:50 AM PDT by bjorn14

There was a discussion on FR about Michael Sam selling T-Shirts on his website. It got me thinking when was this website created? If it was created after he came out then he is an entrepreneirial capitalist but if it was created before then he's all about himself and his gayness.

So I went to check on my local domain register and low and behold it was created October 13, 2013 but this where Sam might be in a little bit of trouble withe NCAA. The site was registered by his now agents Empire Athletes of Santa Monica, California and specifically Cameron Weiss who is listed as a contact on the front page of Sam's website.

This begs so many questions but mainly did any money exchange hands at this time? Had Sam actually signed with these guys? If he did this would be a clear violation of NCAA rules and thus should have become immediately ineligible and Mizzou should have to forfeit all the games Sam played in and return all the bowl money they received.

Secondary, how does this small agency in California find out about a relatively unknown (up to that point) player in the Midwest?

Am I a conspiracy nut or is this a possibility FRiends?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: michaelsam; mizzou; nfl; rams; sam

1 posted on 05/19/2014 12:48:50 AM PDT by bjorn14
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To: bjorn14

Once he declared for the draft, the NCAA is out of the picture.


2 posted on 05/19/2014 12:54:48 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: bjorn14

Fags get REAL SPECIAL treatment more than Liberals and KLINTOONS. . .


3 posted on 05/19/2014 1:34:42 AM PDT by DeaconRed (# GIVE US OUR COUNTRY BACK- NOW! ! ! ! ! ! ! !)
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To: bjorn14
Michael Sam told his Missouri teammates he was gay before the start of the 2013 season, in August, I think.

I'm not sure I understand why that would matter in relation to his website and tee shirts, though.

However, I am certain Michael Sam would not have been named Co-Defensive Player of the Year in the SEC by the Associated Press if he had been heterosexual.

Sam has only two NFL caliber skills.

He has an explosive first step off the line of scrimmage, and he drives relentlessly, with 100% effort, until the whistle blows.

But he has some terrible deficiencies.

He's too slow to play linebacker in the NFL.

He's too light and lacks the upper body strength to play Defensive End, which is what he was drafted for.

His basic tackling skills are below average.

And his basic hand skills are below average when he tries to get around an Offensive Tackle or tries to shed a blocker to tackle a runner.

If he's on the field for First Down, every team is going to run right at him.

On pass plays, if he fails to get around the OT with his first step, the OT will lock him down for 4 seconds on every play.

4 posted on 05/19/2014 1:48:24 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

The problem is you can’t hire an agent while still playing. Why would they blow money on a domain name if they hadn’t had contact or assurances from Sam 4 months before he came out.


5 posted on 05/19/2014 1:51:09 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: zeestephen

IIRC , half his sacks came from some bottom feeder SEC team and a FCS (I-AA) teams. Most NFL DEs are a lot taller to match up with Ts or TEs. The only moderately successful DE his size is Baltimore’s Elvis Dumervil and he is alot heavier. Not so sure his first step will help him against even RTs let alone LTs in the NFL.


6 posted on 05/19/2014 2:08:02 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: bjorn14

I wouldn’t call a domain registration exactly ‘blowing money’.


7 posted on 05/19/2014 2:21:17 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: bjorn14

I wouldn’t call a domain registration exactly ‘blowing money’.


8 posted on 05/19/2014 2:21:18 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: bjorn14

But a player can talk to an agent as long as he makes no commitments, receives no benefits, or signs anything. Rules allow that. If an agent does something on his own as long as the player is in no way involved the NCAA can’t say much about it.


9 posted on 05/19/2014 2:33:51 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: bjorn14

I don’t see anything illegal here, but clearly....yes clearly this was a plan concocted months ago.

I think Sam was fairly certain...(he had to be) that he might not fair well in the upcoming draft, or that he would fair better if he came out as a Gay. He was also probably counseled that he might have a leg up on endorsements etc.

In short, these people are very shrewd. He might have a real cult following in the Gay community because who he is.

However, bottom line. I’m of the opinion of many here that he will be a flash in the pan. At least he stands a chance playing defense, because he does the hitting. At offense he wouldn’t stand a chance. is (hitter vs hittee)


10 posted on 05/19/2014 3:28:13 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: 9YearLurker
"blowing money"
11 posted on 05/19/2014 3:43:06 AM PDT by DeaconRed (# GIVE US OUR COUNTRY BACK- NOW! ! ! ! ! ! ! !)
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To: DeaconRed
"blowing money"

He blows more than money. . . .

12 posted on 05/19/2014 3:46:36 AM PDT by DeaconRed (# GIVE US OUR COUNTRY BACK- NOW! ! ! ! ! ! ! !)
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To: bjorn14

From here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/26/sports/football/rookie-sports-agents-and-michael-sam-learn-the-ropes-together.html?_r=0

.....The entrepreneurial gene runs in their families. Weiss’s family is in commercial real estate, and Barkett’s parents operate a financial services company and are Democratic Party heavyweights. His mother, Lisa, is on the U.S.C. board of trustees...

Read the entire enlightening article for more information on how these two formerly “unknown” agents who have been in business for a year, suddenly hit the bigtime. Clearly it was all due to their hard work and amazing business savvy...LOL! This entire thing was a set-up (on both sides) from the get-go.


13 posted on 05/19/2014 4:17:04 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: garandgal

Who’s Michael Sam? (sarc)
Never heard of him and don’t care to read or hear about him. To me he doesn’t exist.


14 posted on 05/19/2014 4:30:17 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: bjorn14

All that and rectal syphilis too.


15 posted on 05/19/2014 4:32:47 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: bjorn14

Amazing. What a country! All you have to do is announce to the world that you use your reproductive apparatus in a non-standard way, and you become rich and famous, and have your own TV show.


16 posted on 05/19/2014 4:40:34 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: bjorn14

If he signed with an agent and received money then yes it’s a violation. But nobody is going to investigate this. There are tons of nefarious extra benefits that change hands all the time that the NCAA doesn’t look into. They sure as hell aren’t going to look into this.


17 posted on 05/19/2014 4:43:35 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: bjorn14

And if Mizzou didn’t know they wouldn’t have to forfeit anything as the student/athlete did it on their own. You would have to have institutional knowledge for them to forfeit.


18 posted on 05/19/2014 4:44:39 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

he never declared- he’s a senior and his eligibility ran out...

i’m in the FB business and can tell you this: 1) the michael sam gay issue was known to scouts and NFL teams 8 mos before it was made public- it was largely spoken about at the Senior Bowl 2) the word is sam has a serious personality disorder- one if not properly taken care of with medication has been deadly and destructive to others (this was the talk at the combine)...


19 posted on 05/19/2014 5:02:30 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: bjorn14

sam did not sign with an agent until after his college eligibility was done....he’s on his second agent....much of this marketing in the brainchild of his agent, not sam...the first agent went to sam with a big marketing plan based on him being gay...


20 posted on 05/19/2014 5:04:38 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: bjorn14

21 posted on 05/19/2014 5:05:14 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: bjorn14

further- agents know about players all over the universe and under every rock or stone, so an agency in the far west signing a player in the remote northeast is not unusual....there are approximately 3x as many certified agents as there are players in the NFL so the laws of supply and demand are squarely on the prospective players side....


22 posted on 05/19/2014 5:07:06 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: DeaconRed

Oh yes

Not one peep from conservatives on how this guy is treated so royally vs tebow


23 posted on 05/19/2014 5:28:48 AM PDT by stanne
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To: zeestephen
However, I am certain Michael Sam would not have been named Co-Defensive Player of the Year in the SEC by the Associated Press if he had been heterosexual.

Are you saying the AP knew he was gay and voted him as the SEC DPOY but didn't out him? Your timeline is out of whack and leads you to a pretty incorrect assertion.

24 posted on 05/19/2014 5:32:24 AM PDT by the808bass ( I am the rodeo clown for your pain.)
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To: God luvs America

Interesting. Sounds like bipolar, which I don’t think any team would really want to take on voluntarily.


25 posted on 05/19/2014 5:47:17 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: bjorn14; Jim Robinson

YOU ARE A RACIST AND A HOMOPHOBE FOR EVEN SUGGESTING THIS! I AM ASKING THAT FREEREPUBLIC FINE YOU AND RE-EDUCATE YOU AS TO THE GLORY OF THE HOMOSEXUAL MICHAEL SAM!!


26 posted on 05/19/2014 5:50:33 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: stanne
"Not one peep from conservatives on how this guy is treated so royally vs tebow."

The fags have succeeded in scaring the hell out of people.
Back in the good ole days they were queers and looked down upon. . . .

27 posted on 05/19/2014 5:57:13 AM PDT by DeaconRed (# GIVE US OUR COUNTRY BACK- NOW! ! ! ! ! ! ! !)
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To: God luvs America

Funny thing. Sam is the only FB player they signed who is actually on a NFL roster and in a mini camp.


28 posted on 05/19/2014 5:57:13 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: DeaconRed

I don’t look down on anyone. WE don’t discuss sex around here, we are civilized people.

Now we hear nothing but sex, and it’s perverted sex we have to hear about every day.

Never a break.

And these guys get red carpet.

Not one word on any panel at fox, nor the conservative stations on the preferential treatment this guy gets and what it is for kids to have to hear about what this guy is when the only identifier is what he does with men.

And tebow, as obnoxious as he may have been, got traded then benched after much humiliation.

Just comparing the two.

NFL?

If I had a son, we could not watch it for fear of his formation.

It’s a widely accepted and reasonable psychological theory that when kids, before puberty, find out about perverted sex, and in detail like this, presented as normal, it upsets their sexual formation.

No one in this situation cares about the boys growing up.

THe dads of this nation are in some kind of prison that they cannot or will not or don’t know enough to speak out on this, or on anything pertaining to their kids.

No wonder they’re portrayed as dufuses in most sit coms.


29 posted on 05/19/2014 6:09:44 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Wyatt's Torch

After doing some research, I don’t see any requirement for “institutional knowledge” for a forfeit. Can you cite a source for that position?


30 posted on 05/19/2014 6:38:58 AM PDT by MortMan (Avoid temporary variables and strange women.)
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To: MortMan

Not specifically other than what I remember from prior cases.


31 posted on 05/19/2014 7:39:54 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: 9YearLurker

on the right path...a lot of players have been diagnosed with that issue but have been drafted if they are taking medication....


32 posted on 05/19/2014 8:08:56 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: bjorn14

that’ because the agent is newly certified...he was an intern for years (the way most agents start out) for the firm who represents Blake Bortles (third pick in the draft from UCF) and Ben Roethlisberger....west coast agency grabbing a southeast player in the case of Bortles...


33 posted on 05/19/2014 8:10:43 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

There was a recent case (Arkansas?) where the university discovered an issue, brought it to the NCAA with a self-recommended number of forfeits, and the NCAA increased the number of forfeits in the punishment. That leads me to believe that institutional knowledge may not be necessary.

I do know I’m not going to try and decipher the NCAA rule book to figure this out though! LOL


34 posted on 05/19/2014 8:14:58 AM PDT by MortMan (Avoid temporary variables and strange women.)
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To: God luvs America

I guess that must be among the risks they’re willing to take to get talent.

But I’m a Pats fan who was disappointed to see them risk a first-rounder on Easley after his two ACL surgeries (and thrilled to see them take Garappolo as their next franchise man in the second).


35 posted on 05/19/2014 8:59:19 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

speaking of the Pats and bi-polar disorder: Marquise Hill


36 posted on 05/19/2014 9:30:21 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: God luvs America

Is he schizophrenic?


37 posted on 05/19/2014 9:51:14 AM PDT by Andy'smom (How many more acts of love can we take?)
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To: MortMan
I do know I’m not going to try and decipher the NCAA rule book to figure this out though! LOL

Yeah that's pretty much a waste of time as it's pretty arbitrary :-)

38 posted on 05/19/2014 9:56:03 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: the808bass

No.

I’m saying the news was out before the start of the 2013 college season.

It just wasn’t heavily promoted before the NFL Draft.


39 posted on 05/19/2014 10:04:22 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: God luvs America

Interesting.


40 posted on 05/19/2014 10:27:33 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: zeestephen

There is a reason why people are drafted low.
He may step up on camp or he may get stepped oj.

Either way, I just hope the Rams will see through the smoke and mirrors and call it as it plays out.

One thing is sure, if hey give the guy a pass and let him play above his skill level, the Ram fans will know it. Hard to fool the camera on pass rushes and tackling.

Let the games begin.


41 posted on 05/19/2014 10:31:47 AM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: bjorn14
Sam might match up pretty well with a blocking TE on run plays, but his block shedding and tackling basics are still a big question mark.

And, I don't think anyone believes he has the speed and agility to take on a good TE in pass coverage.

I was essentially neutral on his NFL prospects and thought he might have a future on special teams.

But since the cake-in-the-face kiss, and the Oprah documentary, and his claim that he should have been drafted in the 2nd or 3rd Round, well, I will quietly smile if he's a complete failure.

42 posted on 05/19/2014 10:32:15 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: bjorn14

Was it selling t-shirts then? Of course even if it was the area of NCAA rules it would violate is the dumb part (really why shouldn’t the players get to profit on their own names, everybody else tied to the NCAA does), and they really don’t want test against somebody who has as much public sympathy as Sam.


43 posted on 05/19/2014 10:34:31 AM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: bjorn14

What next? Pink basketballs?!


44 posted on 05/19/2014 10:57:22 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: bjorn14

A domain name is only a couple bucks a month. But Sam is a transparent fraud. He knew the NFL would go nuts for the first fag player. He had the book deals, the merchandizing, the must pick draft position, the reality show, the fame all in his plan when he came out. He let the cat out of the bag when he was crying that he should have been picked earlier.

What grown man or yute is going to wear a Sam jersey???


45 posted on 05/19/2014 11:52:27 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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