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India: The Church does not lose hope, even in light of right wing triumph [BJP Extremist Party]
Vatican Insider ^ | 16-May-2014 | Paolo Affatato

Posted on 05/19/2014 2:20:20 PM PDT by steve86

The majority party and its leader Narenda Modi have ridden the wave of religious fanaticism. Minorities are appealing to the legacy of democracy and pluralism

India is officially in the hands of the Hindu right wing. The Catholic Church and other religious minorities are concerned but they are grinning and bearing it, grasping onto the old and deep-rooted legacy of democratic values and pluralism that characterizes the Indian nation. Their concerns stem from the contiguity of India’s leaders with groups of Hindu fanatics. This is the landscape that has been emerging in the Indian sub-continent since the official general election results came out.

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So Modi seems to be holding out the olive branch to the opposition party, in order to reassure Muslim and Christian minorities (who make up 13.5% and 4.5% of the population respectively): In a nation that is 75% Hindu, BJP and Narendra Moni’s victory does not promise anything good for these minorities. The pedigree of this nationalist leader and his party is in fact rather controversial. The power held by the BJP, a party which appeared on the political scene in 1980, has been fuelled by a nationalist ideology referred to as hindutva. Hindutva promotes “one people, one language, one culture”, endorsing cast discrimination and discrimination against religious minorities which should be subdued or wiped out in the name of Hindu supremacy. The party, which came to power for the first time in 1998, showed its approval for extremist movements such as Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (the National Volunteers Organisation) and Vishwa Hindu Parishad (world council of Hindus), and did not hesitate to take advantage of the religious factor to win votes.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bjp; catholic; extremist; hindu; india; notmuslim; persecution; religion
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Too long to post the whole thing.

Don't confuse "right wing" with "good".

MODI the Hindu Supremacist wins the election.

Gandhi's Congress party out.

If you live in India, best to be a Hindu from now on.

1 posted on 05/19/2014 2:20:20 PM PDT by steve86
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To: steve86

nyer; salvation; narses

Please ping Catholic lists if you think appropriate


2 posted on 05/19/2014 2:21:22 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

because Jesus was a big government socialist...


3 posted on 05/19/2014 2:24:00 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: steve86

The lesson to be learned from this is that after many decades of milktoast policy and oligarchy there will be a massive swing of the pendulum...


4 posted on 05/19/2014 2:25:25 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: steve86

Because so many Christians are murdered by Hindus when Hinduism teaches them to murder Christians.


5 posted on 05/19/2014 2:28:49 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: steve86

Same propaganda when an authentic Christian wins an election.

Modi is pro-business, anti gay normalization and favors a muscular stand against Pakistani terrorism and incursion into India.

The official platform of BJP is it wants an alliance with the USA.

Congress wants Switzerland’s foreign policy in Asia. Officially neutral when Commies and Muslims are on the march.


6 posted on 05/19/2014 2:29:30 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: 2banana

Because Hindu mobs can get violent.


7 posted on 05/19/2014 2:29:32 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Uncle Miltie
Because so many Christians are murdered by Hindus when Hinduism teaches them to murder Christians.

Uh -- yeah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_violence_in_India

8 posted on 05/19/2014 2:31:56 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
From your citation:

"From 1964 to 1996, at least 38 incidents of violence against Christians were reported. In 1997, 24 such incidents were reported. Since 1998, Christians in India have faced a wave of violence.[4] In 1998 alone, 90 incidents were reported.[2]"

I think that's a good (non-Friday) afternoon in Islam.

9 posted on 05/19/2014 2:34:22 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: steve86

I will bet the Christian minority has little to fear from the government. Radical Islam, on the other hand, will begin squealing at the top of their lungs about how they are being discriminated against. Really, what else is new.


10 posted on 05/19/2014 2:35:11 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Reaganez
Modi is pro-business, anti gay normalization and favors a muscular stand against Pakistani terrorism and incursion into India. The official platform of BJP is it wants an alliance with the USA.

All these moderate claims to were to win votes and be presentable on the world stage like anywhere.

Watch what he does, not what he says.

BJP and is always has been fanatic.

Check into Modi's associations with known terrorists -- much like our own pissident.

11 posted on 05/19/2014 2:35:50 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Uncle Miltie

So anything that’s less bad than Islam is great?


12 posted on 05/19/2014 2:36:23 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: jdsteel
My wife's sister (Catholic) is routinely harassed/persecuted by local Hindus.

They will feel enabled now just like Holder's people feel enabled. Watch and see.

The sister's family has to conceal their Christian identity most all the time.

13 posted on 05/19/2014 2:38:21 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

Proportion, perspective, and shining the bright light where it belongs.

Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.

Hinduism is pretty benign in comparison.


14 posted on 05/19/2014 2:38:30 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Hinduism is pretty benign in comparison.

Hinduism overall is almost completely benign.

The fanatic factions are no different from fanatics anywhere.

This election is enabling and encouraging those factions.

15 posted on 05/19/2014 2:41:47 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Romulus

Thanks; I’d been trying to re-locate that exact page.


16 posted on 05/19/2014 2:42:29 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: 2banana

This is a category msitake. As Steve86 explained, it’s not referring to economic-political “right wing.” It’s referring to religious right-wing, which in India means Hindu Nationalists who want non-Hindus to be deprived of any public role -— or leave.


17 posted on 05/19/2014 2:45:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (So to speak!)
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To: NYer; Salvation; narses

Please ping Catholic lists if you think appropriate


18 posted on 05/19/2014 2:46:12 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Romulus

An unfortunate matter is the common inability of Hindus to distinguish among Christian sects. I was at a prayer rally on the mall where one Christian leader with many mission groups in India was praising God about a prominent Hindu temple being destroyed by a national disaster. This sort of attitude breeds hatred against Christians.

The BJP claims to support equality for the dalits; if so, this is good, because another one of the major sources of anti-Christian hatred against Catholics is the false allegation that Christians provide charity on the condition of conversion. This is based on hatred of charity towards the dalits.


19 posted on 05/19/2014 3:00:35 PM PDT by dangus
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To: INVAR
Ping!

Sorry, if I had you on the other ping list also -- lost it.

20 posted on 05/19/2014 3:11:48 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Well, there have been several cases where Christians have been murdered or had their churches burned down by Hindu radicals in India. In fact, most crimes against them will be committed by Hindus, since Muslims live in regions with low Christian populations anyway.

This being said, the Congress Party was doing little to protect them either. And they were horrendously corrupt, dragging the country into a ditch.

It’s a cause for concern, but I think we should perhaps retain a focus on the ME, where the highest levels of Christian persecution outside of North Korea exist. Syria in particular. It seems Egypt is calming down now.
Persecution against Christians in India pales in comparison to what goes on in neighboring Pakistan.


21 posted on 05/19/2014 3:15:23 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: steve86
If you live in India, best to be a Hindu from now on.

That is EXACTLY what the congregations and brethren I serve have told me. They have asked for urgent prayers for safety as mob violence against Christians may get a green light from Modi's government itself.

One of Modi's officials stated on Television while I was there last month - that anyone who is not Hindu "should get out of India now, go to Pakistan or somewhere else". There is real fear spreading among Christians in India about what may get much worse, for Christians are already considered untouchable, Dalit and Adhi Andrha and have suffered institutionalized persecution for decades.

Now they fear it will get worse.

22 posted on 05/19/2014 3:28:08 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Viennacon
It’s a cause for concern, but I think we should perhaps retain a focus on the ME

Sure, but as one who has Christian relatives in India I can't be all that aloof to developments in that country.

23 posted on 05/19/2014 3:30:30 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: dangus
The BJP claims to support equality for the dalits

Empty campaign rhetoric and the low castes know this.

Modi and his party are RADICAL HINDUs. They want to "return India to pure Hindusim" and rid India of "foreign religions".

India runs and operates on the Hindu Caste system. Dalits are untouchable and outside the main castes - and they are already mistreated, and that mistreatment never subsided since Ghandi - even though some low castes have been given 'seats' in Parliament.

24 posted on 05/19/2014 3:31:20 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
Thanks (I guess) for your confirmation of my fears.

It really disappoints me to see all the cheering "Reagan in India" comments occurring on this site.

25 posted on 05/19/2014 3:33:33 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

I understand, and your relatives will be in my prayers. Some regions are safer than others, so perhaps they might consider moving if the tension heightens.


26 posted on 05/19/2014 3:34:51 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Uncle Miltie
Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.

Hinduism is pretty benign in comparison.

Not inside India. Hinduism is some ways is actually far more insidious than Islam is if you are a Christian or a Dalit in India.

27 posted on 05/19/2014 3:35:04 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

I expect the “Modi is a Gentle Dove Resting Weightlessly upon a Lotus Flower” posters from yesterday to show up here in a few hours.


28 posted on 05/19/2014 3:36:48 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Viennacon

Well, thank you very much.


29 posted on 05/19/2014 3:37:18 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

Modi may be good for business and adopt a more Capitalist approach to his economy - but understand, ONLY THE VAISHYA HIGH CASTES ARE ALLOWED TO OWN AND RUN BUSINESSES.

If you are below that caste - economic prosperity is denied you. Heck, just trying to educate Christians in vocational trades meets with massive opposition from Hindu leaders who DO NOT WANT low castes to advance.

When you are born low caste - YOU STAY LOW CASTE - the entirety of Indian Society will ensure that happens. This I have seen, AND experienced firsthand while living in the slums and areas of SE India.


30 posted on 05/19/2014 3:38:04 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Viennacon

“Persecution against Christians in India pales in comparison to what goes on in neighboring Pakistan.”

You’ll be fried by the perfectionists here....


31 posted on 05/19/2014 3:40:59 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Persecution against Christians anywhere is a travesty, whether its India, China, or the United States. But it is logical to focus on the areas most at risk as a priority. Despite sporadic persecution, the church in India is growing, especially among the Dalit caste.


32 posted on 05/19/2014 3:43:36 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: steve86; nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

Persecution Ping

Any Comments?


33 posted on 05/19/2014 3:46:45 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Uncle Miltie; steve86

There actually have been Christians murdered by Hindus, but generally there were other causes (land disputes, political affairs, etc.). Generally, Christians are okay, and there are some Christian areas, such as Goa, where there is no problem at all.

A scholar once told me that Hinduism was like the Roman religion before Christianity...lots of gods, but basically everybody had a dim concept of one God, and they were used to the idea of God visiting the world (not necessarily the way that was appropriate, LOL, but they did think in terms of creation and the Creator). The reason the Romans adapted so readily to Christianity was because they could understand it even based on their paganism, and I think this will eventually be the same with Hinduism.

I don’t think this new president is interested in imposing Hinduism. Obviously, neither he nor anybody else in the Hindu majority want Muslims to destroy their world, but I think he wants a society where people just live and do what they’re supposed to do, make India prosperous, and the Muslims can’t ruin it for everybody else.


34 posted on 05/19/2014 3:50:06 PM PDT by livius
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To: steve86

Much like every Republican President is a racist and a fascist.

Much like the Tea Party are groups of terrorist.

I have seen what Modi did as Chief Minister of Gujarat.

I will continue to see what he does as Prime Minister of India.


35 posted on 05/19/2014 3:50:11 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: livius
One of Modi's officials stated on Television while I was there last month - that anyone who is not Hindu "should get out of India now, go to Pakistan or somewhere else".

Does that -- from #22 -- sound like 'live and let live' to you?

36 posted on 05/19/2014 3:52:51 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: livius
there are some Christian areas, such as Goa, where there is no problem at all

Other than the murder of a Catholic priest and desecrations.

PARISH PRIEST MURDERED AT MACASANA March 18.: In a gruesome act of murder some natives from UP or Hyderabad residing at the Church residential premises are suspected to have murdered the Parish Priest of St. Francis Church, Macazana Salcete Goa, Fr. Eusebio Serrao a native of Chinchinim Salcete Goa last night on 17/03/2006. This morning residents were shocked to hear of the tragic news and rushed to the Church.

The Archbishop of Goa and Daman also rushed to the scene of the incident when this writer made frantic calls for information to confirm the news at the Paco Patriacal Altinho Panaji on +91 0832 2422652. Later after a teletalk with an individual from the Parish Church on +91 0832 2786685 it was confirned that Fr. Serrao was indeed brutally murdered, and his body mutiliated. Police investigations are on. On an earlier ocassion according to unconfirmed reports the priest was similarly tied but was later released.

Incidentally the Church has sounded a warning to the Goa Government to take serious note of Church burgalaries and vandalisation of crosses etc. The Comba Margao cross vandalisation on Holi Day being the latest.


37 posted on 05/19/2014 3:56:58 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: INVAR

I think the new president may have the moral authority to change that. Theoretically, it’s illegal in India and they actually have “affirmative action” programs for lower castes. But in practice, everybody knows these people are “affirmative action.”

I had a long train ride once with an Indian who told me about his trials and tribulations trying to get a job in the government or university - because many positions were reserved for untouchables or other lower castes. There were not enough of them to go around, so to speak, so every one of them who applied got hired. And one of the reasons for the Indian diaspora is that a lot of jobs that competent higher caste people could have gotten were reserved to the lower castes.

Vocational trades may be a different thing, and there’s probably a lot of opposition simply because you have to think of the castes as giant labor unions...for example, Patels run hotels...and they don’t want anybody cutting in on the action.


38 posted on 05/19/2014 3:58:34 PM PDT by livius
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To: All

I have to go attend to my mother and will not be available for a while. Thanks for visiting the thread.


39 posted on 05/19/2014 3:58:55 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

Please add Killing of Hindu priests in Orrisa , Nagaland by Christians.
Lotting Hindu temples all over India.

Please don’t be selective.

Modi is Ted Cruz of India. He is as dangerous as Tea Party, Ted Cruz etc.


40 posted on 05/19/2014 4:19:10 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: jennychase

252 Christian churches burned vs. “multiple” Hindu temples doesn’t seem very even to me.


41 posted on 05/19/2014 4:24:45 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

How many Christians killed Hindus and Sikhs in USA after 9/11?

Sikhs were attacked inside Sikh temple last year, killing dozens, Hindu students killed in different states. Hindu sitting in houston park killed by Christian.
Two Sikhs talking morning walk near Sacramento killed by Christians.

How many Taxi driver all over USA killed by Christian?


42 posted on 05/19/2014 4:26:31 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: Uncle Miltie

Does this compare with the hundreds of thousands of Christians and Hindus slaughtered by Muslims?


43 posted on 05/19/2014 4:26:50 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: steve86

You are going by propaganda to get funding from abroad.
Hindu temples are attacked every day in India by Muslims and others.
Hindu/Sikhs temples are attacked in USA.


44 posted on 05/19/2014 4:28:12 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: steve86

Being Hindu, I get verbally attacked in USA.
Even this forum is not tolerant.
So keep your higher ground to yourself.


45 posted on 05/19/2014 4:30:45 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: jennychase

What do those post 9/11 mistaken identifications have to do with anything?


46 posted on 05/19/2014 4:32:22 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: jennychase
Being Hindu, I get verbally attacked in USA.

By whom? What do they say?

There are lots of Hindus in this town and I have been to many of their classical and folk dances and their center but have never heard about anything like that.

47 posted on 05/19/2014 4:34:37 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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>>>>What do those post 9/11 mistaken identifications have to do with anything?

You can kill anybody and claim mistaken identity. People first spread rumors and hatred and then claim mistaken identity. And now we should absolve them because they are good Christians and others are horrible because they are Hindus.


48 posted on 05/19/2014 4:36:13 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: steve86

>>>>By whom? What do they say?

By Christians who else, they consider their religion is superior, they are better people. We are low life etc.....


49 posted on 05/19/2014 4:38:00 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: jennychase

In the case of the Sikhs w/ turbans, of course they were mistaken identity. Who is “absolving” them?


50 posted on 05/19/2014 4:39:29 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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