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Cursing near play area could be costly
Livingston Daily ^ | 5-19-2014 | Jim Totten

Posted on 05/19/2014 2:59:28 PM PDT by Darren McCarty

Swear in downtown Brighton near the Imagination Station playground, and there’s a good chance you’ll be getting a ticket.

Colin Andersen learned this lesson the hard way.

Upset that his friend had been ticketed for skateboarding in downtown Brighton and told to leave, Andersen said he was simply venting when he said, “This is f------ bull----.”

The 19-year-old Brighton resident was hanging out with his friends on a sunny April day in a parking lot next to the pavilion and Imagination Station; Andersen said he swore under his breath and no children heard him.

However, a Brighton Police Department officer heard him and issued him a ticket for disorderly conduct.

“What got me to start arguing a little bit, they were asking all of us to leave because he got a ticket,” Andersen said. “That’s not fair. We’re just standing around.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; swearing; ticket
I'm about 12 miles south of Brighton and know a lot of people from that area. It's a nice town, but the cops are known to be real strict there. I don't like swearing in front of women and kids, but is that really worth a disorderly conduct?
1 posted on 05/19/2014 2:59:28 PM PDT by Darren McCarty
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Mixed feelings on this one. Maybe a $5 ticket per offense but it would still be pretty unenforceable.

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2 posted on 05/19/2014 3:09:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Darren McCarty

I thought these kind of ordinances have gone to court in the past and ruled unconstitutional, kind of like a cop writing someone a ticket for flipping them the bird.


3 posted on 05/19/2014 3:10:32 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: cripplecreek

I believe that the law itself would have to list the offending words in order to be effective and enforceable. That will take some imagination and skill. Perhaps Hillary can get some good publicity here...


4 posted on 05/19/2014 3:11:20 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Mastador1

Right here in Michigan was the case of the canoeist swearing which went to the supreme court.


5 posted on 05/19/2014 3:13:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek
Right here in Michigan was the case of the canoeist swearing which went to the supreme court.

I recall that, what was the outcome?

6 posted on 05/19/2014 3:14:55 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

Like Porngraphy and abortion laws, laws against obscenities in public places were constitutional for over a century.

Then American children lost the 1960s sexual revolution and many of the laws intended to protect them became unconstitutional.


7 posted on 05/19/2014 3:19:12 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Rather than a ticket a bar of soap and a toothbrush might be a more appropriate response.


8 posted on 05/19/2014 3:19:17 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Fai Mao

My daughter used a bar of soap on my grandson for talking back. After a few times he finally got the message and turned into a very respectful and polite teenager. He jokes about it now that he is a young adult and says Lava was the absolutely worst to use.

But discipline and enforcement need to start at home when the children are small. Certainly having parents who don’t use salty language is important.

I would like to see judges take some creative approaches with teenagers. Giving them a ticket and a fine turns out to be a joke to them.


9 posted on 05/19/2014 3:26:54 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Mastador1

I’m not quite sure but here is the wiki write up on obscenity laws in the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscenity#United_States_obscenity_law


10 posted on 05/19/2014 3:28:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: All

I can see both sides of this. It’s very much like the saggy pants topic in another thread. I hate the lack of civility in language in public these days, too, but I think I hate the law intruding in absolutely everything a little bit more.


11 posted on 05/19/2014 3:29:52 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: crazycatlady
I hate the law intruding in absolutely everything a little bit more.

There used to be laws against stuff like this....and spitting on the sidewalk.

12 posted on 05/19/2014 3:31:59 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Heh!
Shoulda heard the kids at the park I went to with my Sons about 2 weeks ago.
“MFrs”
“N-Words”
“SOB”
And other various forms of horrid profanities.
From kids aged 9-17.


13 posted on 05/19/2014 3:36:39 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Shades of “Demolition Man”? Next we will be required to use sea shells in the bathroom. ;-)


14 posted on 05/19/2014 3:40:00 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Darren McCarty

How about an extra $10.00 for the FReepathon every time someone swears?


15 posted on 05/19/2014 3:40:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER; crazycatlady

society in general lacks social graces today... yes, everybody now proclaims their rights... okay—we have certain rights... that does not mean we have to spew them all over the place... social graces... putting the other person before ourselves... consideration...


16 posted on 05/19/2014 3:40:24 PM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: MrEdd

"I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born."

~Ronald Reagan, quoted in New York Times, 22 September 1980


17 posted on 05/19/2014 3:42:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
There used to be laws against stuff like this....and spitting on the sidewalk.

Local ordinances. Personally I don't mind them if I don't have to live under them but the courts and ACLU have interfered and eliminated many of them.
18 posted on 05/19/2014 3:42:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Imho, the government should not be involved in every aspect of our lives. This is a bad law.


19 posted on 05/19/2014 3:45:20 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Darren McCarty

I think that things have changed a lot since I was a kid and even since I was raising my kids.

I would never never never have sworn around an adult when I was a kid. You just did not do it. I didn’t even swear much around my friends. I was not really part of our lexicon.

My kids never swore. Largely because neither my wife nor I did. One day my kids (maybe 5 and 7) and I were at the park and there were a couple of teens who were using foul language. I just said, “Hey guys, clean it up.” And they did. Saw them several times at the park after that and no problem.

Today, same park situation might get you killed. Things have changed.


20 posted on 05/19/2014 3:46:17 PM PDT by super7man
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To: Salvation

“How about an extra $10.00 for the FReepathon every time someone swears?”

I haven’t got that much money!


21 posted on 05/19/2014 3:47:14 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: cripplecreek
the courts and ACLU have interfered and eliminated many of them.

Many judges need to be impeached or otherwise removed from the bench, and the ACLU needs to be sued into oblivion....just like the KKK.

22 posted on 05/19/2014 3:48:50 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

With a few exceptions, local laws used to and should reflect local sensibilities.


23 posted on 05/19/2014 3:55:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: dalereed

Thanks for making my point. LOL!


24 posted on 05/19/2014 3:57:14 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree, and so should the schools.


25 posted on 05/19/2014 4:00:08 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Darren McCarty

some of the little darlings will be the worst offenders


26 posted on 05/19/2014 4:03:56 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: super7man
I think that things have changed a lot since I was a kid and even since I was raising my kids.

I would never never never have sworn around an adult when I was a kid. You just did not do it. I didn’t even swear much around my friends. I was not really part of our lexicon.

My kids never swore. Largely because neither my wife nor I did. One day my kids (maybe 5 and 7) and I were at the park and there were a couple of teens who were using foul language. I just said, “Hey guys, clean it up.” And they did. Saw them several times at the park after that and no problem.

Today, same park situation might get you killed. Things have changed.

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You make a very good point, super7man.

27 posted on 05/19/2014 4:05:09 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Darren McCarty

“John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute.”


28 posted on 05/19/2014 4:10:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: trisham
I just said, “Hey guys, clean it up.” And they did.

I admire your courage for doing this. And I am glad it ended well. These days many people are walking around with a chip on their shoulder…with no respect for their elders or any authority.

29 posted on 05/19/2014 4:12:51 PM PDT by Drawsing (Fools show their annoyance at once, the prudent man overlooks an insult. Proverbs 12:16)
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To: Drawsing; super7man

It was super7man who was the courageous one. :)


30 posted on 05/19/2014 4:21:16 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Darren McCarty

You bet it is! Our culture has gotten filthier and filthier. I cringe almost every time I go in public. I’ve stared down a few people and gotten apologies from a few for just cussing outloud in front of my young family.
It’s disgusting that people think they can just swear everywhere and I’m no prude. Simply a former infantryman who works with construction folks.


31 posted on 05/19/2014 4:44:46 PM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: dfwgator

“Schwarzenegger was president?”


32 posted on 05/19/2014 4:45:01 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: The Antiyuppie
I believe that the law itself would have to list the offending words in order to be effective and enforceable.

Paging George Carlin....

33 posted on 05/19/2014 4:53:47 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: Mastador1

it’s the uk, not usa.


34 posted on 05/19/2014 6:10:01 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: All

Brits could probably swear for five minutes and I would never know.


35 posted on 05/19/2014 6:12:06 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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