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Ex-NATO commander: West needs to provide military aid to Ukraine
the-japan-news.com ^ | May 20, 2014 | Keiko Iizuka

Posted on 05/19/2014 7:40:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

BOSTON—Following are excerpts of the interview on the situation in Ukraine with Admiral James Stavridis, who led the NATO Alliance in global operations from 2009 to 2013 as Supreme Allied Commander. Currently, he is Dean of The Fletcher School at Tufts University.

Q: How do you see the current situation in Ukraine?

A: We all need to recognize that what Russia has done is unacceptable behavior. We can’t change borders by use of military force.

NATO and the U.S. should help Ukraine economically and we also need to help them militarily. I do not advocate NATO troops going to Ukraine, nor do I advocate aircraft involvement or ship involvement in active combat. However, I believe that we should provide intelligence, information, cyber capability, logistic support—food, uniforms, fuel, ammunition, small arms, light radar, night vision devices, and advisers and trainers. The reason is that it will have a deterrent effect on deterring a further invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

We’re going to be in violent disagreement with Russia about their annexation of Crimea for a long time. We need to recognize the agenda between Russia and the U.S. and NATO is bigger than Ukraine. We’re going to need a new way to interact diplomatically.

My guess at this point is that Russia will not invade Ukraine more, because they recognize the high cost associated with it—diplomatically, economically, politically. Sanctions were applied. There are more sanctions yet in reserve, there are still many tools available to Western decision makers to punish Russia if they continue on this reckless course of action.

Q: The Russian military forces close to the border are a means of an objectivist course?

A: They’re trying to put pressure on Ukraine by threatening to invade. They are trying to cause the government in Kiev to back away from a relationship with the West. I don’t think they will succeed, but clearly the intent of keeping 40,000 troops massed on the border can only be to put additional pressure on the Ukrainian government.

Q: How capable is NATO of demonstrating deterrence?

A: NATO is the richest and strongest alliance in the history of the world. The question is how much of that capability we are willing to invest in this situation. I will tell you without a shred of doubt that if any of NATO nations were attacked or invaded, the response would be overwhelming against an invader. Ukraine, unfortunately for Ukrainians, is outside of the NATO alliance. There is no treaty obligation to defend it, but we should try to help.

Q: The Crimean port is important for the Russian fleet.

A: I think Crimea is somewhat valuable but in my view, it’s not as important as some observers feel. Sevastopol is an important port, but it is not an irreplaceable port.

Q: It’s the first time since the end of the Cold War that NATO has been seriously tested on a collective security issue.

A: That’s right. This is the first time we have seen a sense that the collective alliance is threatened by an action in the international world. I think NATO is at a crossroads.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; ukraine

1 posted on 05/19/2014 7:40:54 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Bammy wants World War III to distract us?


2 posted on 05/19/2014 7:43:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Kind of reminds me of the college drop-out who phoned in a bomb threat to prevent her parents from finding out she wasn't graduating.

"Benghazi is looking bad?? I know!! I'll start WWIII! That way no one will get angry with me!"

3 posted on 05/19/2014 7:46:21 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

His weakness and compliant flexibility make war much more likely.


4 posted on 05/19/2014 7:48:05 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I respectfully dissent from the Admiral's assessment. Where was NATO when Putin rolled over Georgia? What did NATO do when things erupted in Crimea?

Does NATO exist in any real sense of the word? Was NATO ever anything other than Europe growing fat under the auspices of Pax Americana?

Under this administration, America has abdicated its responsibilities as a world power. The consequences will not be pretty.

I expect nothing but a lot of talk from NATO. Maybe they'll draw a "red line." But no action.



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

5 posted on 05/19/2014 7:53:15 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Do you really think that the conflict between Ukraine and Russia happened only because Obama orchestrated it?

Because in reality, it has nothing to do with Obama at all.


6 posted on 05/19/2014 7:53:58 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"The reason is that it will have a deterrent effect on deterring a further invasion of Ukraine by Russia. "

That's downright silly.

It's already a done deal.

We ought to be wondering about the Baltics and Poland now.

7 posted on 05/19/2014 7:55:39 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ConorMacNessa

It sounds to me like you think that NATO should do something and hasn’t done enough. I agree.


8 posted on 05/19/2014 7:56:05 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
No, no. Not at all.

Ukraine and Russia are a smoldering fire which has now spouted flames. It's been building for a long time, and now it looks like something really bad could happen. Obama really has had no role in this.

But Obama is the guy standing off to the side, holding a can of gasoline and thinking, "Should I toss this on top?"

He's not the start.
He doesn't even need to have any role at all.
But he just might make it a whole lot worse.

9 posted on 05/19/2014 7:59:04 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!)
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To: Mariner

The only way to deter KGB Putin’s revanchist neo-Soviet imperialism is to send NATO peacekeepers to Ukraine. Putin is a stupid coward so he will back down if we stand up to him. Obama’s prostrate dithering will only invite further aggression.


10 posted on 05/19/2014 8:00:28 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obama is useless.
NATO is useless.

Because Obama wants to meddle in Ukraine’s affairs I’m certain that we should stay totally out of them... Obama is always on the wrong side.

If you want to do what’s right then just do the opposite of whatever Obama does.


11 posted on 05/19/2014 8:01:08 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: Bobalu
That is intellectually lazy knee-jerk thinking. I already know what I believe in so I don't have to check to see what Obama says about each issue so I can be on the other side. I already know what side I am on. America's side. I am against Obama because he is against what I already believe in. I want Obama to fail because I want America to win. If you are against America because you are against Obama, then he has already beaten you.
12 posted on 05/19/2014 8:08:50 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That would be the only possible result of any military move by the west, since the Russians can’t back down here.


13 posted on 05/19/2014 8:10:17 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Brits have pitched in in Iraq and Afghan - the Aussies, the Italians, and even the French - under their own flags. Where is NATO? Are they not under attack from militant Islam as much as we?

NATO is a dead letter, IMHO.

And after the mal-mis-non-feasance of the current administration, what nation would want to stand with us?

Seriously, does the US look like a viable player on the geopolitical stage at this juncture?

A century ago, on the eve of WWI, the Ottoman Empire was correctly described as "The Sick Old Man of Europe." The Obama Regime, IMHO, has snatched defeat from the jaws of Victory, a victory won by generations of American Patriots, and is rapidly casting our Beloved Nation into the dustbin of History. In a few short years, we will be no more a force than the Ottoman Empire was a century ago, unless we stand up now and put an end to this betrayal of our Nation and its founding principles!



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

14 posted on 05/19/2014 8:11:33 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

But it does have everything to do with European Socialists finally running out of other people’s money.

No other causal factor even reaches a double digit percentile.


15 posted on 05/19/2014 8:13:28 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wow, almost everything in that sentence is incorrect. The American public is too smart to want to get involved in the Ukraine. There is zero public support for it, and rightly so. Funny how Ukraine is getting all this attention, meanwhile an actual openly anti-American communist dictatorship is brutally suppressing it’s people less than 2,000 miles from our shore and nobody even talks about it.


16 posted on 05/19/2014 8:20:04 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Obama is the guy standing off to the side, holding a can of gasoline and thinking, “Should I toss this on top?””

The gasoline was thrown on the fire by Victoria and USAID, when out of all the groups in Ukraine, they chose the most radical, and the most violent, to support and finance.


17 posted on 05/19/2014 8:36:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Hugin

“meanwhile an actual openly anti-American communist dictatorship is brutally suppressing it’s people less than 2,000 miles from our shore and nobody even talks about it.”

The American Left, and the Gaystream media, were convinced to support Chavez, because it was sold to them as part of “The Great War Against The Usurper Bush!”. Remember how much media influence the Radical Academic Socialists (now Obamunists) had over the media at that time?

To acknowledge what is now happening in Venezuela means exposing all the things these very same Media wonks/celebrities said during the rise of Hugo Chavez, now proven to wrong and hypocritical.

And that simply isn’t going to happen in the New Amerikka.


18 posted on 05/19/2014 8:41:36 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“send NATO peacekeepers to Ukraine”

Yeah, let’s just light the flame for WW3....


19 posted on 05/19/2014 8:42:54 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Hugin

The American public did not want World War I or II either. When war comes, it won’t matter what anybody wants. We won’t have any choice.


20 posted on 05/19/2014 8:43:33 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’m against Obama.

I’m also against the US meddling in Ukraine for ANY reason.
There is NOTHING that could happen in Ukraine that would cause me to change my mind on this...we must stay out of it.

It’s a European problem, if they want to meddle then let them. And if they meddle and get their ass kicked by Russia we should do nothing to save them...let them sleep in any bed they make. Europe needs to pull on their big-girl-panties and stand on their own...we can’t afford to borrow any more money to fight for them.

The fact that Obama want’s to and has meddled in Ukraine merely strengthens my decision.


21 posted on 05/19/2014 8:44:59 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

’ No troops, but military aid. No aircraft but intelligence. No ...”

A job not worth doing is worth doing half-azZ$$ed.


22 posted on 05/19/2014 8:46:15 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tcrlaf; Hugin

Actually if you listen to the Russians, they will tell you that Obama, Soros and the CIA are behind the uprising in Venezuela just like in Ukraine. After all Communist Venezuela is KGB Putin’s ally. Putin supports and arms every single communist regime in the world.


23 posted on 05/19/2014 8:49:20 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: tcrlaf

The flame is already lit, you just don’t know it yet.


24 posted on 05/19/2014 8:51:42 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Hugin; tcrlaf
Nicolas Maduro: Ukrainian crisis is response to US and EU anti-Russian policy - March 19, 2014 - Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has accused both the US and the EU of “double standards” over Crimea and recalled the Kosovo and Falkland Islands referendums as evidence. Maduro says the West is seeking to “eventually destroy” Russia.“

There is a certain transnational elite that has been cherishing this dream for 300 years,” Nicolas Maduro said.

The Venezuelan leader criticized “the anti-Russian policy of the US and some European countries,”saying the crisis in Ukraine comes as a response to that.

“What has happened in Crimea is a response to the format that made Ukrainian democracy collapse. And there is only one reason for this: the anti-Russian policy of the US and some European countries. They seek to encircle Russia in order to weaken and eventually destroy it,” he said.


25 posted on 05/19/2014 9:04:36 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

As sad as the Ukraine situation is...we don’t need to be there. We have enough problems here.


26 posted on 05/19/2014 9:24:48 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
He's right about the transnational elites and Kosovo. Wrong about the Falklands. A pox on both their houses.

Putin is no Hitler. He's not even a Brezhnev. We didn't go to war with the communist USSR, and we don't need to with Putin's nationalist Russia over the Ukraine. We should pick our fights.

27 posted on 05/19/2014 10:11:24 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Hugin
We lost thousands of patriots fighting proxy wars against Russia in Korea and Viet Nam. We helped defeat them in Afghanistan. Putin loyally served that EVIL EMPIRE and he does not apologize nor repent for that. Now he wants to rebuild that EVIL EMPIRE and pit it against the USA. I don't care whether Putin is a communist or a nationalist. I don't care what religion he is. I don't care whether he has gay friends or loves Elton John. He is our enemy and we must fight him and defeat him. Period.

Kosovo proves one thing. Putin is afraid of NATO peacekeepers. Yeltsin sent Russian troops to Kosovo, but Putin pulled them out. He knows he doesn't want to fight NATO because it's a fight he can't win. Cowardly bullies like Putin never want to fight anybody their own size or bigger.

28 posted on 05/19/2014 10:29:01 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ClearCase_guy

Many Ukrainians think we are behind all of this. My friends there tell me that America is being accused of disruption there


29 posted on 05/20/2014 3:40:25 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bammy wants World War III to distract us?

That's merely the by product of what he's going for. He's channeling his inner FDR now. The ghost of Lincoln is moving on. What better way to complete fundamental transformation than by nationalizing and centralizing every aspect of private industry and enterprise via a global conflict? What better way to deal with those bitter clingers than suspending rights guaranteed under the Constitution and instituting marshall law in the name of national security?

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

30 posted on 05/20/2014 3:53:46 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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