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EPA targets couple's private pond in Wyoming, threatens huge fines
FoxNews ^ | May 19, 2014 | Kelly David Burke

Posted on 05/19/2014 7:51:11 PM PDT by stevie_d_64

When Andy and Katie Johnson built a pond on their property in 2011 to provide water for their cattle, they never dreamed it would result in threats of $75,000 a day in fines from the Environmental Protection Agency.

The Johnsons believed they had done everything necessary to get permission for the pond, where the tiny Six Mile Creek runs through their property south of Fort Bridger, Wyo. The Wyoming State Engineer's Office provided the permit and even stated in an April 4, 2013 letter to the Johnsons: "All of the legal requirements of the State Engineer's Office, that were your responsibility, have been satisfied for the Johnson Stock Reservoir."

The EPA saw it differently -- and sent the Johnsons a Jan. 30 notice informing them they had violated the Clean Water Act, which could carry thousands of dollars in fines.

"I believe that the EPA does need to regulate industry and the bigger projects," Andy Johnson conceded, "but my little pristine stock pond, I believe, is a waste of our taxpayer money for them to come after me. It's a waste of my time, it's a waste of my money and we're going to fight it."

In their notice, the EPA cited the couple for "the discharge of pollutants (i.e., dredged or fill material) into the waters of the United States," for building a dam and for not getting a permit from the Army Corps of Engineers.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: bundy; cattleranchers; cleanwateract; epa; epaoutofcontrol; landrights; pond; ranchers; wyoming

1 posted on 05/19/2014 7:51:11 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: All

How ‘bout we see when the BLM, or some other thug agency with a SWAT team shows up to seize water, kill fish, break down the damn/spillway etc etc etc...

Then again I’d probably be criticized for not being there to get a photo op with the land owner if I say much of anything bad about any politician showing up after the fact like at the Bundy Ranch...

Geesh...

Ohhhh, wait...I bet there could be militia forming at the center up there!!!

Come ON RedCoats!!! Yeee Hawwww!!! Lets Dance!!!!


2 posted on 05/19/2014 7:54:46 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64
Well better the EPA did this then go after the illegal aliens polluting the border lands. Can't slow down the importation of criminals that vote for the dems.
3 posted on 05/19/2014 7:55:46 PM PDT by jimpick
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!

4 posted on 05/19/2014 7:56:32 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: stevie_d_64

Who in this jackbooted agency makes these unaccountable decisions?


5 posted on 05/19/2014 8:06:37 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: stevie_d_64
Do beavers need EPA permits to build their dams to create ponds? Plus the beavers crap in the water.
6 posted on 05/19/2014 8:07:41 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: stevie_d_64

Obviously, the dildos down at the EPA have run out of stuff to do.


7 posted on 05/19/2014 8:13:55 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: stevie_d_64

The EPA are from Blueland, those areas on the coast and in large metropolitan areas. They are at war with Redland. They have always been at war with Redland. The people of Redland have not fought back because they thought that their politicians were looking out for them. The people of Redland were wrong, their politicians have been selling them out.


8 posted on 05/19/2014 8:16:05 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: stevie_d_64

How many Ukranians did STALIN starve to death? That’s what is in play here. They will shut down every private ranch and farm in the nation until entire cities starve to death.


9 posted on 05/19/2014 8:20:39 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Up yours NSA !)
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To: bamahead

Like the graphic; “work” should be in quotes. (I realize it’s probably not your graphic)


10 posted on 05/19/2014 8:27:39 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: stevie_d_64
Since when did administrative agencies write law? If the law didn't come out of congress, then tell these pencil pushers to KMA! Time to put these unaccountable bureaucrats in their place.
11 posted on 05/19/2014 8:29:01 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Defund the EPA Nazis!


12 posted on 05/19/2014 8:29:37 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: stevie_d_64
Of all the stupidity that exist in federal agencies this is among the highest. Farm ponds are a streams best friend in the long run. They serve several functions. They allow rain run off to settle in the pond and help filter it, they allow for a more consistent year round water flow especially in late summer months when rain slacks off, they provide food and places for waterfowl and game animals, they provide places for turtles, the benefits are substantial.

So my question would be who's bureaucratic friend or politican drove by, saw the farm, and is coveting that families land, using the federal government to obtain it for them?

13 posted on 05/19/2014 8:33:07 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: stevie_d_64

Trouble


14 posted on 05/19/2014 8:37:59 PM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: stevie_d_64

If brown trout can live in that pond, they’re not polluting anything. How it could possibly be affecting any navigable waterway, I have no idea.


15 posted on 05/19/2014 8:40:42 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

From the start the EPA was filled with wildeyed liberal college grads without a minutes real world experience. Most of the past they have been held in check, but under the WhiteyHut they are cut loose to do whatever damages they can. The term “watermelon” fits them to a tee.


16 posted on 05/19/2014 8:43:48 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: G Larry

Hang on to your asses my friends because the next rul coming out in 2016/2017 is that DIRT is going to be classified as solid waste! So if you dig a hole or your local water/sewer provider need to excavate to fix or install a pipe, that dirt will need to be tested before it can be put back in the hole!!!


17 posted on 05/19/2014 8:44:43 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: cva66snipe

They are now banning the use of goat herds to control invasive weeds along stream banks because of the goat poop and urine can get into the water!


18 posted on 05/19/2014 8:46:58 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: smokingfrog

It’s no longer navigable water, the new term is waters of the state.


19 posted on 05/19/2014 8:48:15 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: shotgun
They are now banning the use of goat herds to control invasive weeds along stream banks because of the goat poop and urine can get into the water!

That figures. Kind of like my last fishing trip. I had some fish to clean and all my life I've cleaned them at the place I caught them. I throw the guts in the water instead of the garbage can at home. Thus that part of the fish gets eaten by turtles and other fish. Game Warden walks up and blesses me out for cleaning the fish there instead of at home. I made the mistake of questioning the logic behind it. His best answer was people living downstream were tired of seeing fish heads. Now I've fished downstream and never recalled seeing such except in a specific spot where fish very recently had been cleaned. Our tax dollars and licensing fees at work.

As for the goat poop? Hum I'd like to see an EPA Stooge take it up with a horned Billy or horned lead Nanny LMAO.

20 posted on 05/19/2014 9:02:47 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Dogbert41
How many Ukranians did STALIN starve to death?

All of them...

Well, not quite...

At the peak of the genocide, which was in March 1933, Ukrainians were dying at the rate of 25,000 per day, 1,000 per hour or 17 every minute. Estimates of the total deaths vary from 5 to 10 million but 7 million is the accepted figure. This was almost one-quarter of the population of Ukraine.

Regards,
GtG

21 posted on 05/19/2014 9:38:54 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: stevie_d_64
The EPA says Six Mile Creek runs into Black Forks River which runs into the Green River -- which it calls a "navigable, interstate water of the United States."

The Johnsons and their attorney say Six Mile Creek has long been diverted about 300 yards below their property into a man-made canal used for irrigation.

"There is no connection to the river," Andy Johnson maintains.

They live 100 miles from the Green River.

22 posted on 05/19/2014 10:34:13 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: TigersEye
They live 100 miles from the Green River.

Ha...hope they have mineral rights....

The Green River formation weighs in at 3 TRILLION Barrels of oil.

They might like to invite an oil company to drill...sounds like they have plenty of water from their lake for the FRACKING.

23 posted on 05/19/2014 10:42:12 PM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: smokingfrog; All

They have no idea either, they sit around and probably figure out ways to screw the population over anyway with things they have no clue about...


24 posted on 05/20/2014 12:21:49 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: beethovenfan

Defund the EPA Nazis!
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Better yet, win the House and Senate to get veto-proof legislation and totally eliminate the useless EPA!


25 posted on 05/20/2014 1:22:33 AM PDT by octex
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To: smokingfrog

If brown trout can live in that pond, they’re not polluting anything. How it could possibly be affecting any navigable waterway, I have no idea.
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FNC showed an interview with him and his wife Monday. He said that bald eagles came to the pond, it had brown trout, and the camera showed other birds. He said the EPA was referring to a river about 100 miles away that they claimed he was ‘messing up’ (my words). ...The pond looked great.


26 posted on 05/20/2014 1:35:56 AM PDT by octex
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To: shotgun

It’s no longer navigable water, the new term is waters of the state.
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And in his case the State gave him the permit and approvals.


27 posted on 05/20/2014 1:39:04 AM PDT by octex
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To: factoryrat

Since when did administrative agencies write law? Since Teddy Roosevlt /Dr. Wilson were inaugurated.


28 posted on 05/20/2014 2:22:55 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Dogbert41
They will shut down every private ranch and farm in the nation until entire cities starve to death.

It's easier to do than that. Just cut the electrical power. Most cities would be chaotic death traps in a matter of days.

29 posted on 05/20/2014 6:45:55 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: octex

Anyone with half a brain would know that a properly constructed pond, with the right vegetation acts like a giant water filter. It would appear to me that they are actually helping to improve the water quality on that stream. If anything, the govt should be giving tax breaks to people that do this.


30 posted on 05/20/2014 7:00:17 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: stevie_d_64; All

http://thehill.com/regulation/energy-environment/206378-epa-races-to-finish-obama-rules

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41561.pdf


31 posted on 05/20/2014 7:11:22 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: shotgun

They are now banning the use of goat herds to control invasive weeds along stream banks because of the goat poop and urine can get into the water!””””

When the fires start, this administration can tout the new employees hired to fight fires!!!!!


32 posted on 05/20/2014 7:23:43 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: centurion316

Pretty succinct summary of where we stand. But you did forget the part where if you want a vision of the redland future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever.


33 posted on 05/20/2014 12:32:29 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: factoryrat; cva66snipe
"If the law didn't come out of congress"

Its the Clean Water Act from 1972.

You can't say exactly when construction began but somebody tipped off the Corp of Engineers, who actually issues the permit, and they call the man in early Sept 2012 to tell him he needs a permit and ask him to submit his plans. He didn't submit so the Corp goes out and inspects the jobsite then write him a letter in Oct 2012 telling him again but again he doesn't submit.

The Corp turns it over to EPA for enforcement in Feb 2013 but he never responds EPA either so in Jan 2014 EPA writes him the threatening letter.

34 posted on 05/20/2014 2:33:47 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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