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Why Orlando is Demolishing a Black-Owned Church & What It Plans to Build Over Itís Just Plain Wrong
ijreview.com ^ | kevin boyd

Posted on 05/21/2014 4:16:56 AM PDT by lowbridge

City of Orlando officials have filed a lawsuit seeking to seize a church property through eminent domain, in order to build a soccer stadium on it. The Orlando City Lions, set to enter Major League Soccer in 2015, are seeking to build a new soccer-specific stadium to play in.

The Orlando Sentinel published today:

If successful, the eminent domain action filed Thursday in Orange Circuit Court would allow Orlando to take the last of 20 parcels needed for the $115 million stadium being built for the Orlando City Lions, an MLS expansion franchise.

Newly released records show the city more than doubled its initial offer for the small, African-American-owned Faith Deliverance Temple, to $4 million.

Members of the family that owns the church reduced their initial selling price from $35 million to $15 million. Even so, the two sides remained far apart.

This isn’t the first time the Orlando City Lions and Major League Soccer have used eminent domain to take land to build the new soccer stadium.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: church; eminentdomain; florida

1 posted on 05/21/2014 4:16:56 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

Speaking personally, I wouldn’t want to show up in the Next World and have to explain why I helped seize a church to knock it down and build a soccer stadium.


2 posted on 05/21/2014 4:21:19 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: lowbridge
Faced with the bulldozer, I suspect the church elders will accept around 4 million for their cinder block chapel. 35 million seems a bit excessive based on the edifice I see on Google Maps.
3 posted on 05/21/2014 4:26:53 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: lowbridge

Wheres jessie and al? Oh yeah that’s right, they probably go greased up front.


4 posted on 05/21/2014 4:27:40 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: Jack Hammer

We crossed this bridge with Kelso vs The City of New London.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London


5 posted on 05/21/2014 4:29:29 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: lowbridge

let em have it, they don’t want it, this is their big chance to bleed the beast for money, so let them have it and put the soccer field somewhere there is plenty of space


6 posted on 05/21/2014 4:30:07 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: PeteB570

Kelo not Kelso - only on my second cup of coffee.


7 posted on 05/21/2014 4:31:13 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Faced with the bulldozer, I suspect the church elders will accept around 4 million for their cinder block chapel. 35 million seems a bit excessive based on the edifice I see on Google Maps.

But it's theirs! If they say it is worth 35M to them, then that is what it is worth. Why should the government be allowed to redistribute their property at a whim to another private use?

If the City of Orlando wants to build a soccer stadium then they should tear down some of tehir own city owned buildings (or a park) and build it there.

If a private organization wants to run a soccer team (or any other sports team) then they should find (and fund) their own stadium

8 posted on 05/21/2014 4:31:16 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: lowbridge

Oh but “civic pride” and “increased economic activity” are “public use” now you see.


9 posted on 05/21/2014 4:32:36 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: lowbridge
Seizing property in order to build a hospital..or even a highway...may be morally defensible.But a soccer stadium? Sounds like another case of “follow the money” to me.Would it be presumptuous of me to believe that Orlando is run by Rats?
10 posted on 05/21/2014 4:34:09 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: lowbridge

Jerry Jones owns a soccer team?!


11 posted on 05/21/2014 4:36:48 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: lowbridge
This episode marks an inflection point in the rise of Hispanic political power in the Orlando area and the eclipse of organized Black political power. Orlando and Orange County politicians and officials are falling over each other to build a soccer stadium as a way to connect with influential Hispanic business interests and a rapidly rising pool of Hispanic voters.

As for the local Black community, it has long ago fragmented into followings built around particular Black political figures. A small Black church that is inconveniently located simply does not matter enough to impede the new soccer stadium -- which will, after all, also provide a feast of jobs and contracts to be awarded by local government, with minority set-asides and various plums for insiders.

12 posted on 05/21/2014 4:36:54 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: John O
But it's theirs! If they say it is worth 35M to them, then that is what it is worth.

They apparently have no problem selling their property. They're just haggling over the price. If it means so much to them, there wouldn't be a price to begin with.

Trust me, they and the city will arrive at a price, and there'll be Escalades for all.

13 posted on 05/21/2014 4:38:03 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: lowbridge

Maybe Bill Clinton’s FBI should investigate this the way they were busy in 1998 hunting down non-existent “racist” arsonists accused of burning down southern black churches...


14 posted on 05/21/2014 4:51:43 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: lowbridge

Why does the color of the church matter? The government has no authority to take private property, church property, or any other property “without just compensation” [5th Amendment]. If the church building is worth $35M to the members, then just compensation is $35M. If that’s too high, then the people bribing the city to take that property should build around the church. That would give soccer players a place to pray on their way in/out of the games.

I would never have shopped at the Kelo shopping mall if it had been built, and I will never attend a soccer game at this stolen Orlando site if the church is taken without what its owners consider just compensation. I do not support theft [the reason I will also never under any circumstances buy or rend a GM vehicle].


15 posted on 05/21/2014 5:06:17 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Jack Hammer

Atlanta did the same thing to build a new Falcon stadium. Apparently, sports have become the new religion of this godless society.


16 posted on 05/21/2014 5:09:51 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: lowbridge
and how much $$$$$ are the taxpayers on the hook for for this sucker suckhole???
17 posted on 05/21/2014 5:12:50 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: a fool in paradise

Dont forget, a cabin, or some sort of structure, that was used in the underground railroad during the days of slavery, was torn down to make way for the clinton presidential library.


18 posted on 05/21/2014 5:19:38 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

How is it relevant that the church is owned by a black family?


19 posted on 05/21/2014 5:21:47 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

I dont know. I didnt write the article. ;-)


20 posted on 05/21/2014 5:28:55 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

So the complaint is not that the church is being forced to sell. It’s that it’s being forced to sell at a fraction of it’s extortion demand.


21 posted on 05/21/2014 5:37:20 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: lowbridge

So, we now learn that the government of Orlando believes that a soccer stadium is of greater value to the community than a church. It’s really that simple.


22 posted on 05/21/2014 5:37:29 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
They apparently have no problem selling their property. They're just haggling over the price. If it means so much to them, there wouldn't be a price to begin with.

They put such a huge price on their cinder block becuase they know they will be forced to sell . They do not want to sell but what can they do when the government is forcing them to. As you say, they'll face the bulldozers.

Just because the gov has the bulldozers does not make it right.

23 posted on 05/21/2014 5:38:10 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
They do not want to sell

Are you supposing this, or do you have some inside knowledge that's not apparent in the article?

24 posted on 05/21/2014 5:41:09 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Jack Hammer

“Speaking personally, I wouldn’t want to show up in the Next World and have to explain why I helped seize a church to knock it down and build a soccer stadium.”

The article seems to put more significance on the fact the church was black owned than that it was a church.


25 posted on 05/21/2014 5:41:27 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: freeangel

Well they do perform on the Sabbath, to your point.


26 posted on 05/21/2014 5:42:40 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: lowbridge

Somehow it’s worse that a church owned by blacks is more special than a church owned by whites.


27 posted on 05/21/2014 5:55:29 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Jack Hammer

if they bought it it means the owners sold it. churches can be bought and sold and torn down and rebuilt and the money can be used to take of widows and orphans knowing, of course, that there will always be the poor. i’d be more concerned with what mortals are going to do with a zillion dollars falling in to their laps.


28 posted on 05/21/2014 6:00:37 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: lowbridge

I was about to comment about building a fifty seat stadium so all the soccer fans could get tickets; then I remembered that Orlando has something of a Hispanic population, so...NEVER MIND!


29 posted on 05/21/2014 6:02:47 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: freeangel

“Apparently, sports have become the new religion...”

I think you’ve nailed it there.


30 posted on 05/21/2014 9:51:07 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Leroy S. Mort

I’m assuming based on never having met anyone who wanted to sell when the government tried to steal their property

That’s why they set the 35M price in the first place


31 posted on 05/21/2014 10:19:52 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O

Having seen the same wrangling by a couple of churches in Atlanta who eventually sold for inflated figures to make way for the new Falcons’ stadium, I can almost assure you that these folks thought they’d hit the lottery when the city wanted their land. And they have. They just won’t be getting quite the payout they thought they’d get. I’m figuring they’ll settle for about 7 mill, for a property that’s probably only worth 50K.


32 posted on 05/21/2014 11:01:27 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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