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Not Winning the Senate Stings Republicans Most of All
The Wire ^ | November 7, 2012 | Dashiell Bennett

Posted on 05/21/2014 8:29:24 AM PDT by centurion316

Among the themes of second-guessing and deep regret that are emerging of rubble of last night's election is the thought that the Senate could be under the control of Republicans right now if weren't for their habit of running supremely unlikable candidates. It was bad enough that Mitt Romney was soundly defeated for the White House, but what hurts even more right now is that Republicans, who at one point had hoped for a sweep of both houses of Congress, actually lost ground in the upper chamber. Depending on your definition of a poachable, that makes as many seven races over the last two election cycles that could have been theirs for the taking.

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This is an article from the last election in Nov, 2012. It is written by a left wing twit, writing for a left wing twit website. But, often it's useful to consider what the opposition is saying, or in this case said the last time that they were gloating about winning yet another election.

Winning the Senate is not the important thing, it's the only thing.

1 posted on 05/21/2014 8:29:24 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

“Winning the Senate is not the important thing, it’s the only thing. “

I agree completely.


2 posted on 05/21/2014 8:32:29 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: centurion316
You can't govern conservatively with a Senate led by a liberal republican.

The GOP-E proved that last time they held the Senate.

/johnny

3 posted on 05/21/2014 8:32:50 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: centurion316

Republicans actually want to win? That’s great! When did this finally happen?


4 posted on 05/21/2014 8:33:09 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: centurion316

Why?

Which ever party wins the senate is irrelevant, because the federal government is still going to control the senate.

What would make a big difference is if state government controlled the senate via appointment of senators as opposed to dumb and greedy people who have no idea what they are doing electing the same evil people to the senate.


5 posted on 05/21/2014 8:33:37 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: staytrue

If the pubbies do win the senate this go around, how many milliseconds will it take for them to offer some sort of ‘power sharing agreement’ with the dims?


6 posted on 05/21/2014 8:34:03 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: centurion316

How’s that obamacare working out for ya there Dashiell?


7 posted on 05/21/2014 8:34:05 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: centurion316

Yeah he’s a wit but he is correct.

And winning the Senate is definitely preferable, but it is 2016 that matters. That is when the GOP will lose 7-10 seats and stands little chance at the WH.

No legislation is passing anyway so who holds the Senate in 2014 is not nearly as big a deal.

And I agree with you 100% ... you MUST know what the other side is saying even if you don’t like it.


8 posted on 05/21/2014 8:34:12 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: centurion316; staytrue

So that’s why the GOP-e has declared war on the conservative wing of the base?

Tactical brilliance—NOT!


9 posted on 05/21/2014 8:35:01 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Shoot cops that shoot dogs.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I think Mark Levin suggested a possible solution for the No Spin McConnell problem


10 posted on 05/21/2014 8:35:07 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: MichaelCorleone

Right! They just want to protect their lands and slaves!


11 posted on 05/21/2014 8:36:28 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: centurion316
Winning the Senate is not the important thing, it's the only thing.

Lol. We had the Senate. And the House. And the WH,. From 2000-2006. We got the Patriot Act. No thanks. It doesn't matter to elect the R's, if they ain't listening to us. Thus far, they haven't. So, it's time to walk.

12 posted on 05/21/2014 8:37:02 AM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The GOP-E proved that last time they held the Senate.

Yep, put the Senate back under the control of GOPe. I have no desire to return to a Legislative Branch doing their best to be "compassionate conservatives."

13 posted on 05/21/2014 8:37:15 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Exactly. I voted for Bevin. McConnel won. I’ll vote for the democrat in November. It’s more important to purge the party of these guys than win the senate.


14 posted on 05/21/2014 8:38:27 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

You’ll never “purge” the GOP. They are too entrenched.

Time to go “UKIP”.


15 posted on 05/21/2014 8:39:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: centurion316
After watching the “Super Tuesday” GOP results and the outlook for most of the other primaries, I am starting to thin that maybe Dashiell Bennett can recycle his November 7, 2012 on November 5th or 6th and no one would be the wiser.
I now think Georgia and Kentucky will go Democrat. With others to follow.
I am thinking that maybe the GOPe has burned one too many bridges this time.
16 posted on 05/21/2014 8:42:18 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: centurion316

“Lunacy is not a policy.”

You cannot talk about 50%+ of the people in your party in that manner and expect to have a party. Moderates have never rallied behind conservative nominees and frequently boycott them. Increasingly, conservatives will do the same to moderates.

We don’t have a party.


17 posted on 05/21/2014 8:42:27 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Nifster

Levin, indeed did.
An idea I like very much.


18 posted on 05/21/2014 8:43:32 AM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: JRandomFreeper

tough choices... should conservatives be blames for taking Pubs down or Democrates when the Pubes lose to them?


19 posted on 05/21/2014 8:46:20 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: centurion316

McConnell and the GOP already have tools(rules) available to them to use
such as the filibuster. If they won’t fight now, what makes you believe they
will fight if they are the majority?


20 posted on 05/21/2014 8:46:49 AM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: cuban leaf

McConnell needs to taken out. Period.


21 posted on 05/21/2014 8:47:53 AM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: Night Hides Not

reaching accross the aisle, to democrats, “bipartisan” collabos...

Reaching to people or business? Nahh.


22 posted on 05/21/2014 8:48:04 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: centurion316
Winning the Senate is not the important thing, it's the only thing.

I was listening to NPR on my way to work this morning and they sounded depressed over last night's primary results. They were hoping Republican voters would field unlikeable, unelectable candidates of the Akin, Mourdock (and Paul Broun) stripe who would be soundly defeated by Democrats come November, paticularly in Georgia where Michelle Nunn's roadmap to victory has now become much more difficult.

23 posted on 05/21/2014 8:48:24 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: cuban leaf
I’ll vote for the democrat in November.

Well, that will certainly do a lot of good --- for the Dimocrats!

Unfortunately, it's rather clear that more than a few folks on this forum did exactly that in Nov. 2012.

24 posted on 05/21/2014 8:48:46 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: ModelBreaker
Moderates have never rallied behind conservative nominees and frequently boycott them. Increasingly, conservatives will do the same to moderates.

Maybe I just don't get out enough, but I don't hear "establishment" Republicans say they are going to stay home or vote for the Democrat when a conservative wins a Republican primary. Yet on FreeRepublic and elsewhere, conservatives are always saying that they will boycott RINOs in the general election.
25 posted on 05/21/2014 8:50:37 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: lavaroise
The liberal GOP-E will always blame conservative voters for not voting for their liberal candidates.

Doesn't matter. I no longer care who blames me. I won't vote for the liberal(R).

/johnny

26 posted on 05/21/2014 8:52:16 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tupelo

Nunn won’t win in Georgia this fall. Grimes won’t win in KY.


27 posted on 05/21/2014 8:52:40 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: drjimmy
You don't get out enough. A group of the Chamber of Commerce types said that if a conservative gets the nomination in 2016, they would support Hillary.

/johnny

28 posted on 05/21/2014 8:53:47 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cuban leaf
I’ll vote for the democrat in November. It’s more important to purge the party of these guys than win the senate.

You and Harry Reed are on the same page.......

29 posted on 05/21/2014 8:54:24 AM PDT by yoe
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To: citizen

I don’t really see how it even matters at all.

This country is going to hit the wall very fast and very hard, and that is all there is to it.

And the people driving the train, which include both parties, think they can build a better train out of the wreckage.

That is where we are in America, we’ve gone utterly and completely insane.


30 posted on 05/21/2014 8:54:36 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: yoe

The GOP and Harry Reed are on the same page.


31 posted on 05/21/2014 8:55:25 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: citizen
McConnell squeaked by with 6% in his last general election, against a lousy dem candidate. Grimes is a better candidate, and Mitch has burned his bridges with conservatives with his 'Destroy them wherever we find them' comments.

Grimes wins in November.

/johnny

32 posted on 05/21/2014 8:55:46 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: dfwgator

Truth be told, I don’t see any political solution to our problems. I believe we are in a death spiral.

But it’s fun to talk about.


33 posted on 05/21/2014 8:55:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: drjimmy

Like the NJ GOP did for Bret Schundler, the conservative, when he won the GOP nomination for NJ Gov in ‘01?

Like that?

The GOP bigwigs outright endorsed the dim, calling Schundler ‘extreme’ and ‘fringe’.

Sound familiar?

Even the sitting GOP governor didn’t endorse him.

Yes, the GOPe would rather the dims win than a conservative. They have FAR more in common with the dims than they do with the conservatives.

Like the GOP did when ‘Murcow-ski’ lost the GOP primary in Alaska? Like that?


34 posted on 05/21/2014 9:00:34 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Not a dime’s worth of difference.


35 posted on 05/21/2014 9:01:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Black Agnes

If the pubbies do win the senate this go around, how many milliseconds will it take for them to offer some sort of ‘power sharing agreement’ with the dims?...I’m hoping if we take the Senate, Ted Cruz will mollify them by saying “We will treat you the exact same way you treated us, be assured. Only better.”


36 posted on 05/21/2014 9:03:32 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: dfwgator

Nope. Not one.

In NJ, the NJ GOP was more afraid that an ‘outsider’ would get in office and see all the graft and corruption they’d been up to. They knew a dim gov would play along and throw the occasional corrupt bone their way as a favor and keep a lid on the bipartisan hands in the till scandals leaking out.


37 posted on 05/21/2014 9:03:45 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: staytrue

why?

They won’t do anything with it, especially with Mitch McConnell around.


38 posted on 05/21/2014 9:04:46 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Safetgiver

Too many bought seats in the senate for that to ever happen.

It’s nice to think about though.


39 posted on 05/21/2014 9:04:58 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: centurion316
I have had my doubts that we will win the Senate. I was hoping we would but I also realized that the communists hold on the Administration would make the effort useless. Where we lost the fight for freedom was when the heavy effort by some Republicans to defeat Romney in 2012. That put the nail in the coffin. America is in real trouble and the communists Democrats will destroy most of America. And 2016 might be the only chance and even if we get that it will take generations to return America to a conservative Constitutional land.
40 posted on 05/21/2014 9:06:48 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: citizen
we don't win if the RINOs don't support constitutional conservative ideals. The US will collapse into regions or states, and normal US citizens will probably be no worse off for it....we might even fare better if governance becomes more local and with state's rights.

It's the globalist elitists and their quest to destroy world civilization if that's what it takes to increase their power that will collapse. I'm okay with that.

41 posted on 05/21/2014 9:06:52 AM PDT by grania
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To: dware
Thus far, they haven't. So, it's time to walk.

Before you take a walk, you need to know where you are bound, otherwise you end up wandering through the wilderness.

42 posted on 05/21/2014 9:08:20 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316
The GOPe long since determined they'd rather lose than allow a TEA party candidate win.

They got their wish, and now they're complaining?

There's a reason rational people call it "The Stupid Party"!

43 posted on 05/21/2014 9:12:01 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: cuban leaf
Exactly. I voted for Bevin. McConnel won. I’ll vote for the democrat in November. It’s more important to purge the party of these guys than win the senate.

Plenty of folks here on FR agree with you. Voting for a Democrat is something that I cannot do and will never do. You'll get lots of support here and from Obama, Reid, and Pelosi. Rather strange, isn't it?

44 posted on 05/21/2014 9:12:21 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: drjimmy; centurion316

“Maybe I just don’t get out enough, but I don’t hear “establishment” Republicans say they are going to stay home or vote for the Democrat when a conservative wins a Republican primary.”

If you lived in my congressional district, the old AZ-8, you would have seen the GOP-E turn on the GOP primary winner with a vengeance and elect Gabby Giffords. They also worked hard to keep her in power, cutting all funding to the primary winner in several elections and making public statements about how Giffords would be preferable.

Meanwhile, I have 2 Republican senators - John McCain and Jeff McFlake. McFlake ran as a Tea Party conservative and immediately went hard left after the election. He now follows John “I love Democrats” McCain like a puppy dog. Those SOBs will never, ever vote to reign in government power. They haven’t lifted a finger to hep Tombstone get access to their water rights dating back to the 1880s because the USFS has installed a “Wilderness Area” and won’t allow the pipes to be fixed. What use are Republicans like McCain and McFlake?

McFlake’s one vote to genuinely cut spending was when he was one of 3 senators who voted against restoring benefits to military retirees - benefits that had been paid for in advance as part of previous budgets.


45 posted on 05/21/2014 9:12:43 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Logical me
America is in real trouble and the communists Democrats will destroy most of America.

Apparently aided and abetted by many Freepers.

46 posted on 05/21/2014 9:15:26 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: drjimmy
Maybe I just don't get out enough, but I don't hear "establishment" Republicans say they are going to stay home or vote for the Democrat when a conservative wins a Republican primary.

You obviously don't get out enough, FRiend...perhaps you might recall:

Christine O'Donnell, Richard Murdock, and Sharron Angle, to name 3. The support they received from "establishment" Republicans was abysmal.

47 posted on 05/21/2014 9:19:02 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: drjimmy

“Maybe I just don’t get out enough, but I don’t hear “establishment” Republicans say they are going to stay home or vote for the Democrat when a conservative wins a Republican primary.”

You’re right. You don’t get out enough. The GOP-e commonly withdraws money and support from our candidates. Mike Castle is a famous example in Del. In my old congressional district they pulled the plug on GOP nominee Randy Graf a few years back to elect Gabby Giffords. The GOP-e uses over and under the table betrayals when our candidates win primaries.


48 posted on 05/21/2014 9:19:53 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: null and void
The GOPe long since determined they'd rather lose than allow a TEA party candidate win.

The winning candidate must capture all of the GOP vote, about 35% in most years, and then 16% of everyone else, Independents, moderates, Democrats, Libertarians, Hari Krishnas, etc.

49 posted on 05/21/2014 9:20:00 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316
Voting for a Democrat is something that I cannot do and will never do.

And Hank Rearden kept fighting until he finally saw the light, thanks to Francisco d'Anconia.

50 posted on 05/21/2014 9:20:38 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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