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Salinas police kill man they say lunged with shears (video)
Salina Californian ^ | May 20, 2014 | Allison Gatlin

Posted on 05/21/2014 9:21:43 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod

Salinas police fatally shot a man armed with gardening shears midday Tuesday outside a Sanborn Road bakery, Cmdr. Vince Maiorana said.

The officer-involved fatality is the second this month and the third for the year including the deaths of Osman Hernandez and Angel Ruiz, respectively. Last year, Salinas police killed one: Jose Ruiz, on Williams Road.

Officers responded about noon Tuesday to a home on the 700 block of Elkington Avenue when a woman reported a man had jumped her backyard fence and attempted to attack her dog with scissors, Maiorana said.

When officers encountered the man at the intersection of Sanborn and Del Monte Avenues, outside Delicia's Bakery, he made no attempt to hide the shears, Maiorana said.

Attempts at hailing the man in English and Spanish were unsuccessful, Maiorana said. Officers then unsuccessfully deployed a Taser as the man began waving the gardening shears in the air, he said

(Excerpt) Read more at thecalifornian.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: crime; police; shooting

1 posted on 05/21/2014 9:21:43 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
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FYI graphic content and language in video


2 posted on 05/21/2014 9:22:59 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (I have five dollars for each of you)
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To: KneelBeforeZod

Suicide by cop or sheer stupidity.


3 posted on 05/21/2014 9:23:06 AM PDT by soycd
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To: KneelBeforeZod

What is it with people? Did you see the woman with a baby in her arms running TOWARD the confrontation!?

What the heck is wrong with these people!?


4 posted on 05/21/2014 9:33:00 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: KneelBeforeZod

The subject was in retreat when shot, the officers were too quick to open fire on him. They should have let this “play” out more.


5 posted on 05/21/2014 9:37:23 AM PDT by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25 Pacem Bello Pastoribus Canes [shepard of peace,dogs of war])
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To: Freeport

I was about to post the same thing. Look at the people across the street and the people in their vehicles watching. Does no one know about over shot, through shots, ricochets? Fools.


6 posted on 05/21/2014 9:37:25 AM PDT by rey
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To: KneelBeforeZod

At the point where the police shot the man to death he was not an immediate threat to them. They murdered the man because he had the temerity to refuse to do what they told him to do.

The lesson from this event and from the Bundy ranch event is that if you’re going to refuse to do what the police want you to do then you’d best be well-armed and prepared to shoot.

Because it seems that law enforcement in this country consistently backs down whenever they have to face equal or superior force.


7 posted on 05/21/2014 9:38:34 AM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: KneelBeforeZod; Alaska Wolf; TexasFreeper2009; DCBryan1; Slings and Arrows; Doomonyou; ...
Stupid woman who runs towards a potentially violent scene with her baby in her arms calls the cops frigging idiots?

Not enough in the video for me to call it one way or another, but the dead guy had plenty of opportunity to comply.

I think I heard a Tazer pop early on, to no effect.

JBT Ping list

8 posted on 05/21/2014 9:42:37 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: KneelBeforeZod

Never bring gardening shears to a gun fight.


9 posted on 05/21/2014 9:43:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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It is hard to tell if the guy was “spun” by the shot a la hollywood or he had turned around. Camera moves right at the crucial moment


10 posted on 05/21/2014 9:46:39 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (I have five dollars for each of you)
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To: TMSuchman

Remember when we’d reflexively give the benefit of the doubt to the police?

Were we naive? Or has something horrible happened in the USA?


11 posted on 05/21/2014 9:53:01 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I thought The Bill Of Rights mattered before 2009 as well.)
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To: TMSuchman

Your right they should have let him continue to go down the street and run into some innocent bystander that he could of attack.


12 posted on 05/21/2014 9:53:21 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: KneelBeforeZod

He clearly had turned around and moved toward the cop, whether he had sheers in his hand or what not who knows, but its clear that before shot he did turn around and move toward the cop...


13 posted on 05/21/2014 9:55:31 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: rey; Freeport

for all intents and purposes, Salinas may as well be El Salvador...


14 posted on 05/21/2014 9:55:55 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: riverrunner

No, they should have more assistance come help, then use the pepper spray on him [this is the reason they carry the stuff right] then gang tackled him, in a swarm fashion. Look how fast backup arrived after the officer fires their sidearms.


15 posted on 05/21/2014 9:58:05 AM PDT by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25 Pacem Bello Pastoribus Canes [shepard of peace,dogs of war])
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To: null and void

This “judge, jury, and executioner” police behavior has to stop.

Executing people without benefit of due process because they
“didn’t comply” is just plain wrong.


16 posted on 05/21/2014 9:59:17 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: KneelBeforeZod

Perp would not stop, was carrying weapon and could have grabbed some stupid female like the one who chased the scene. Shoot the thing with either a taser of a well placed volley of 9mm. He WAS a danger to the neighborhood and the police trying to subdue him.


17 posted on 05/21/2014 10:09:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: soycd

I think you’re on to something with the sheer stupidity angle.....


18 posted on 05/21/2014 10:10:55 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: HamiltonJay

It looked to me like the cop was going to try and surprise him and take away the sheers but the guy turned around too quick and then the sheers were right in the cops face. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s what it looked like.


19 posted on 05/21/2014 10:12:26 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: TMSuchman

Well put.


20 posted on 05/21/2014 10:15:06 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: KneelBeforeZod

How’s his dog?


21 posted on 05/21/2014 10:16:00 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: KneelBeforeZod

Any word on the immigration status of the deceased?


22 posted on 05/21/2014 10:22:08 AM PDT by DickBrannigan (When did logic become reversed, and right became wrong, and wrong became right?)
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To: TMSuchman

Agree I didn’t see him lunge forward. Seems they just wanted to push him until they could perforate him and they didn’t choose a safe location - intersection.


23 posted on 05/21/2014 10:46:37 AM PDT by mcshot (..."And this too shall end.")
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To: Forgotten Amendments

We were naive.


24 posted on 05/21/2014 11:22:55 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: TMSuchman

So tell how many armed crazy people have you disarmed in that manner.


25 posted on 05/21/2014 11:25:52 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: KneelBeforeZod

I can’t believe some of your comments!

This cop MURDERED this guy. Are you all BLIND? The cop moved HIMSELF into a dangerous position and then, SURPRISE, I’m in a dangerous position. Then fires THREE times, just to be sure.

If all else has failed, (don’t know we were there yet) shoot the guy in the leg. Down he goes, threat neutralized.

Pepper spray? A guy with garden shears that can’t breathe and can’t see is not a threat.

As far as the witness with the kid goes, Some people just aren’t terrified by situations that place them in possible danger. I don’t see what she did as a big risk. The likelihood that she or the child would get shot were minimal. I think people need to accept some risk so that the police can be watched as in this case it proved worth the risk.

The perp had garden shears not an explosive device.


26 posted on 05/21/2014 12:08:55 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: riverrunner

More times than is posted in the news. It is one of the safest ways to deal with this kind of trouble.


27 posted on 05/21/2014 12:15:34 PM PDT by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25 Pacem Bello Pastoribus Canes [shepard of peace,dogs of war])
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To: KneelBeforeZod

They don’t have tazers in Salinas? Isn’t this the kind of thing they were made for?


28 posted on 05/21/2014 12:41:06 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: b4its2late

All I can tell from the few frames that are visible is that the cop didn’t move, and the guy did turn around and was closer to the cop then he was before... Other than that, can’t tell anything more.


29 posted on 05/21/2014 1:21:16 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: servo1969

A tazer was fired, you can hear the pop of it going off early in the encounter. But it was only tried once.


30 posted on 05/21/2014 1:46:12 PM PDT by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25 Pacem Bello Pastoribus Canes [shepard of peace,dogs of war])
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