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Is Gay Marriage Unstoppable?
Yahoo News via Daily Beast ^ | 05/21/2014 | By Jay Michaelson

Posted on 05/21/2014 2:16:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The cascade of same-sex marriage rulings is now a torrent, each more quotable and image-ready than the last. “Let us look less to the sky to see what might fall; rather, let us look to each other…and rise,” district Judge Michael McShane wrote Monday in Oregon. Not to be outdone, district Judge John E. Jones III—a George W. Bush appointee, personally recommended by Rick Santorum—wrote Tuesday in Pennsylvania: “We are a better people than what these [marriage] laws represent, and it is time to discard them into the ash heap of history."

Indeed, after Judge Jones threw out his state’s ban, same-sex marriage is now 12-0 in federal courts across the country. But the lofty rhetoric of these decisions and their legal reasoning are a far cry from Justice Anthony Kennedy’s opinion in United States v. Windsor, which invalidated the Defense of Marriage Act less than a year ago. As a challenge to a state marriage amendment or law now seems destined to end up at the Supreme Court, probably in the next term, these discrepancies should be cause for concern.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; moralabsolutes; pennsylvnaia; poofterism; romney; romneyagenda; romneymarriage; romneyvsclerks
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1 posted on 05/21/2014 2:16:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone can Love Anyone they want...but, there is no such thing as “gay marriage”....it’s not possible.


2 posted on 05/21/2014 2:19:21 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am absolutely opposed to these rulings and the DOMA ruling but the answer is ... “yes”.

Doesn’t mean don’t fight, and yeah anything is possible, but this issue is lost. Putting aside the fact that Judges across the spectrum are ruling against laws outlawing these “marriages”, SCOTUS will never, ever undo tens of thousands of marriages, legal changes, etc.

Sometimes as a Prosecutor we had to realize “we lost that issue or case, move on to the next one.”


3 posted on 05/21/2014 2:19:39 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind

It isn’t marriage, so the question is moot.


4 posted on 05/21/2014 2:21:03 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind

It will be stopped after the generation of gays haven’t reproduced their own.


5 posted on 05/21/2014 2:21:30 PM PDT by bikerman (Imagination is more important than intelligence)
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To: bikerman

RE: It will be stopped after the generation of gays haven’t reproduced their own.

That’s why RECRUITING is another important strategy to them...


6 posted on 05/21/2014 2:22:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We are faced with a corrupt president, Congress and the courts, not to mention corrupt officials at the state level, all of whom are leading this nation to destruction at the hands of God. I can only pray that for the sake of the good people, He will smite the evildoers and save those who hold fast to His commandments.


7 posted on 05/21/2014 2:23:51 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: SeekAndFind

“George W. Bush appointee, personally recommended by Rick Santorum”

thanks again rick.


8 posted on 05/21/2014 2:23:52 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: SeekAndFind

We need to keep track of how many gay people are actually getting married. It seems to be increasing slightly - mostly because gays now feel compelled to do it since they carried on so much about it. But several years ago, despite the push, very few guys were getting married. Honest statistics should tell the real story.


9 posted on 05/21/2014 2:24:49 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: P.O.E.

PA ping.


10 posted on 05/21/2014 2:24:57 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: goodnesswins

I can’t reason how a Federal court can rewrite a State Constitution.


11 posted on 05/21/2014 2:25:03 PM PDT by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ask the population of Sodom and Gomorrah.


12 posted on 05/21/2014 2:26:16 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind
It's going to take a large scandal or two before the majority shifts against gays.

And it will come (my guess is from Hollyweird). Perversions will ALWAYS result in scandal.

13 posted on 05/21/2014 2:26:45 PM PDT by what's up (sun)
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To: SeekAndFind

Probably not in this ultra PC world we live in. Oh, & BTW, I for one am getting sick of hearing about this travesty. Why is it important that we are forced to know where the queers stick it? Just sick and tired of this sickness.


14 posted on 05/21/2014 2:27:50 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (I am proud of what America USED TO BE.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Our culture is sick unfortunately.
We’re not shocked by anything. The cheapening of life, especially at the beginning and end, the normalizing of perversity and the abandonment of God. These are symptoms of grave illness, but we see it as some kind of human evolution. It will not end well, but maybe in the end we will have learned something. Pray.


15 posted on 05/21/2014 2:29:47 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: bikerman
Gays don't reproduce.

The recruit.

16 posted on 05/21/2014 2:29:49 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: CityCenter

“I can’t reason how a Federal court can rewrite a State Constitution”

These judges must be following the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution.

We may need to amend the US Constitution to remove that clause.


17 posted on 05/21/2014 2:32:14 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: dadfly

And common corbett will not appeal the decision in PA. No way in hell am I going to pull the lever for him in November.


18 posted on 05/21/2014 2:33:59 PM PDT by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: SeekAndFind

For all the hoopala, you’d think we had 50 million gays.
How many gays are there?
How many will actually marry?
How many gay marriages will actually last?

I’m betting we get a rash of unsucessful marriages, followed by a steep decline.


19 posted on 05/21/2014 2:36:29 PM PDT by umgud
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To: SeekAndFind

If SCOTUS took this up next week, they’d declare the recognication of homosexual marriage to be a long-standing tradition. SCOTUS is a “go with the flow” operation.


20 posted on 05/21/2014 2:36:43 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: SeekAndFind

The full power of the media, the government, and PC-oriented companies is behind it. I don’t see any way to stop it.


21 posted on 05/21/2014 2:40:26 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: umgud
RE: How many gays are there?

I got this from this source

"A more realistic number is that people whose sexual identities are not primarily heterosexual; that is, whose primary erotic orientation is not toward a member of the opposite gender, is about 3.5 percent, per Gallup. (A researcher I respect surveyed Census data and offers a slightly higher percentage: About 3.8 percent, which equates to about 9 million people.)"
22 posted on 05/21/2014 2:41:44 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: miss marmelstein

I’m more curious about how many are getting divorced.


23 posted on 05/21/2014 2:46:39 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: umgud

Marriages among straights will steeply decline. That’s what happened in Scandinavian countries after they legalized civil unions.


24 posted on 05/21/2014 2:46:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: miss marmelstein

They would now be motivated to “marry” to be able to file joint IRS returns. It’s all about the money in most things, and even in this too.


25 posted on 05/21/2014 2:46:59 PM PDT by Theodore R. (It's inevitable: status quo Kentuckians are incapable of saying "No" to McC!)
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To: miss marmelstein
We need to keep track of how many gay people are actually getting married. It seems to be increasing slightly - mostly because gays now feel compelled to do it since they carried on so much about it. But several years ago, despite the push, very few guys were getting married. Honest statistics should tell the real story.

It's actually going to be pretty funny to watch. Once alimony and "child support" kicks in along with community property those fat checkbooks are going to be a lot flatter.

26 posted on 05/21/2014 2:48:49 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: SeekAndFind
In the event of a Circuit split, the Supreme Court will affirm gay marriage on a narrow Windsor argument, that the DOMAs were motivated by homophobia and hence invalid. Will probably carve away some of the more aggressive District Court reasoning if any of that survives into a Circuit decision on which it takes cert.

The only really interesting question is whether there will even be a Circuit split that compels the Supreme Court to rule. Only the Fourth, Fifth and Eleventh Circuits have even a chance of reversing a District Court opinion, and I'd go 2:1 odds that they won't be able to find their way here. I don't think that two pro-gay marriage Circuit decisions will vary enough in their reasoning for the Supreme Court to justify taking cert on the academic issue, but who knows.
27 posted on 05/21/2014 2:53:04 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: Cboldt

SCOTUS is ‘go with the flow’ under John Roberts leadership, most definitely. Boldness is not supported unless it is from the left side. Once in a while, though, a squirrel finds an acorn.


28 posted on 05/21/2014 2:54:15 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: SeekAndFind

The only way to stop it now is a amendment to the Federal Constitution.


29 posted on 05/21/2014 2:58:58 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: SeekAndFind

If homo marriage is an unstoppable train, then America’s descent into evil is an unstoppable train.


30 posted on 05/21/2014 2:59:08 PM PDT by greene66
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To: SeekAndFind

Divorce lawyers are salivating.


31 posted on 05/21/2014 3:01:41 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: SeekAndFind
Thanks for postin this: a truly explanatory article about why the entire judiciary is now overtly pro-gay-mirage (I say "mirage" because it's something that's delusory, but looks real): and that is, that the courts now see "gay" as not a conduct, an act, a behavior, but an identity. Thus, while a law could theoretically, regulate or prohibit this behavior, a law cannot discriminate against this class of people.

Delusory, as I said. And disturbing.

32 posted on 05/21/2014 3:07:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Make love. Accept no substitutes.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes the fall and decline of our society has begun. It is all downhill from this point. It has to reach bottom and crash before we can restore America.


33 posted on 05/21/2014 3:19:01 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American - Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes the fall and decline of our society has begun. It is all downhill from this point. It has to reach bottom and crash before we can restore America.


34 posted on 05/21/2014 3:19:26 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American - Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Hello out there! There is only one thing that will turn this disaster around. That is biblical repentance: Teshuvah. Return to Torah; every bit of it. Every jot. Every tittle. It’s perfect, you see, and if we walk in the light of it we will be healed. But wait, don’t get angry, I’m quoting the Teacher from Nazareth.


35 posted on 05/21/2014 3:21:15 PM PDT by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Is Gay Marriage Unstoppable?

No. It's impossible.

36 posted on 05/21/2014 3:23:25 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Has any state actually voted for this garbage, or has every state been done by activist judges?


37 posted on 05/21/2014 3:26:15 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Torahman
Thank you, Torah. I will now take the opportunity to urge everyone to read and live by the 73 books of the Bible (LINK) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (LINK)

Lots more, and at no extra cost.

38 posted on 05/21/2014 3:33:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God's grace has been revealed, and has made salvation possible for the whole human race. (Titus 2))
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RE: Has any state actually voted for this garbage, or has every state been done by activist judges?

Maryland’s legislature PASSED a law FOR gay marriage.
On January 1, 2013, the Civil Marriage Protection Act took effect, and same-sex marriage in Maryland became legal.

In my state — NY, A bill permitting same-sex marriage was passed by the state legislature and signed into law by Governor Andrew Cuomo on June 24, 2011; it took effect on July 24, 2011.

On May 2, 2013, Lincoln Chafee signed legislation making Rhode Island the tenth state to legalize same-sex marriage.

On 13 February 2012, Washington State Governor Christine Gregoire signed a measure legalizing same-sex marriage that would go into effect on 7 June 2012 unless a referendum with sufficient petition signatures were filed.

Washington Referendum 74 (2012) was successfully filed in opposition to this law and appeared on the general election ballot on 6 November.

Voters APPROVED the referendum, making same-sex marriage legal in the state of Washington. The law allowing same-sex marriage went into effect on 6 December, and the first same-sex marriage licenses were issued 9 December.


39 posted on 05/21/2014 3:39:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, pray.

Or the Lord will take his vengeance.


40 posted on 05/21/2014 3:39:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind
It will ultimately be resolved in the Supreme Court. But regardless of that ruling, there is a vastly more superior court that has already judged homosexuality and found it an abomination. That court permits no appeals, and is the final judge of all our actions. It matters little what some secular body pronounces.

I refuse to recognize homosexual relationships as marriages. Period.

41 posted on 05/21/2014 3:46:27 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
The only way to stop it now is a amendment to the Federal Constitution.

Do you think there are 38 states that would ratify such an amendment today?

42 posted on 05/21/2014 4:12:47 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
The only way to stop it now is a amendment to the Federal Constitution.

Do you think there are 38 states that would ratify such an amendment today?

43 posted on 05/21/2014 4:12:47 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: SeekAndFind

Depends on question. Politically and judicially, for the immediate future I expect no great miracles. Emperor Kennedy of the Supreme Court has made up his mind, and there is enough popular support for homosexual marriage to give cover to coward politicians.

Long term, we pray for salvation of homosexuals, renewal of the church, and revival of the nation. Making a single homosexual repent is more important than passing any law.


44 posted on 05/21/2014 4:12:59 PM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

“The only way to stop it now is a amendment to the Federal Constitution.”

You would need a Tea Party (not GOP) super majority in both chambers of Congress and 3/4 state legislatures. At the given moment that seems more than unlikely.

What the nation really needs is revival not more laws. When the people are corrupted, a righteous law on the books will not halt the corruption nor will it stay the wrath of God. With spiritual restoration, people will be moral with or without laws.


45 posted on 05/21/2014 4:22:13 PM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks that way


46 posted on 05/21/2014 4:27:47 PM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: Cementjungle
Has any state actually voted for this garbage, or has every state been done by activist judges?

Maine, Maryland and Washington State all passed gay marriage by referendum and that will probably be the end of it. There's no point anymore for gay marriage proponents to try to raise the money needed to rally voters to pass future pro-gay marriage laws since judges are doing their work for free these days.

47 posted on 05/21/2014 4:36:09 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: SeekAndFind
45 Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

48 posted on 05/21/2014 4:42:05 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: SeekAndFind

The governors and legislatures of the various states that have rejected same-sex marriages should ignore the unfavorable rulings handed down by federal courts and judges. No constitutional basis exists for the federal government to intervene in what is clearly a state’s rights issue.


49 posted on 05/21/2014 4:47:32 PM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

“The only way to stop it now is a amendment to the Federal Constitution.”

Which means yes, it is unstoppable.

We could have done that a decade ago, but we lost the American public since then. Even in red states, where we should be solidly against it, the issue is split.

Now we need to learn from our failure so we don’t make the same mistakes on the next issue.


50 posted on 05/21/2014 5:01:14 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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