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Victimís friend called 911 before beating to complain of harassment by off-duty cops, sources say
Buffalo News ^ | May 16, 2014 | Lou Michel / Matthew Spina

Posted on 05/21/2014 5:33:27 PM PDT by bamahead

A companion of William C. Sager Jr. called 911 early Sunday to report Sager was being harassed inside Molly’s Pub by the management and two off-duty police officers.

Soon after that call, Sager was thrown down a set of stairs and placed in handcuffs while out cold.

Then, still in handcuffs and bleeding from the ears and mouth, he was dragged out on the sidewalk, a short distance from the bar. When a friend tried to intervene, he was placed under arrest.

Later, when on-duty police responded, they found an internal surveillance tape from Molly’s in the trash nearby.

These new details emerged Friday as a wave of Buffalo police officers, troubled by the events at 3199 Main St. five days ago, shared what they knew. A Sager family member also confirmed much of what others told The News.

Sager, who was to be married in July, remains in the intensive care unit at Erie County Medical Center, unaware of his surroundings. Police and people who have visited him say there is little chance he will recover from his severe brain injury.

These reports suggest that at least one of the off-duty officers inside Molly’s Pub early Sunday was more than a passive observer to the beating.

The off-duty officer retrieved his handcuffs so they could be clicked around Sager’s wrists. He then complained to responding officers about Sager’s friend, who was arrested.

Said one cop: “Why would an off-duty officer put handcuffs on an unconscious man?”

(Excerpt) Read more at buffalonews.com ...


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1 posted on 05/21/2014 5:33:27 PM PDT by bamahead
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
The responding officers and medics were confused as to why the unconscious man found on the streetside had police handcuffs around his wrists...When a friend of Sager’s tried to tend to him, he was charged with trespassing for refusing to leave.



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2 posted on 05/21/2014 5:38:31 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

This is really a bad case. This person’s life is now in ruins. I still don’t see how they can justify treating him like that.


3 posted on 05/21/2014 5:38:35 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: bamahead

To their credit the Buffalo PD seems to be doing a real investigation instead of closing ranks around those two thugs.


4 posted on 05/21/2014 5:42:13 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: bamahead

Just another life ruined by “Murder Inc.”


5 posted on 05/21/2014 5:46:17 PM PDT by bayliving
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To: colorado tanker

it could bewell choreographed kabuki. people need to remain vigilant about this one.


6 posted on 05/21/2014 5:47:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: colorado tanker

Would they have done that investigation without the video? Will whoever threw that video in the trash be charged?


7 posted on 05/21/2014 5:49:49 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: bamahead

They did tox tests on these guys, right?


8 posted on 05/21/2014 5:50:18 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: driftdiver
Who knows? Even without the video the guy's injuries are so severe this one would be hard to sweep under the rug.

I suspect the bar owner tossed it and I bet he will be charged, too. They won't let their own go down alone.

9 posted on 05/21/2014 5:57:05 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: null and void

JBT


10 posted on 05/21/2014 5:58:57 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: colorado tanker

Give the Thin Blue Lie a chance. They’ll wait till things cool down and then promote the goons.


11 posted on 05/21/2014 5:59:10 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: bamahead

Thank goodness the officers made it hone safe that night! (Tick, tick, tick...)


12 posted on 05/21/2014 6:09:15 PM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: bamahead

Did Sager initiate some kind of brawl? Granted if police were there, they should have tried to calm down the brawl.


13 posted on 05/21/2014 6:09:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: colorado tanker

Some sort of scape goat needed, yep.


14 posted on 05/21/2014 6:10:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
From what I gathered there was some type of altercation between Sager's party and the manager of this joint prior to what went down.

Not sure of the degree of that altercation, but it looks like the off-duty cops may have acted on the managers behalf and beat Sager, and then potentially conspired with him to destroy the evidence (surveillance tape in the trash).
15 posted on 05/21/2014 6:14:30 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Lurker

They’ll investigate it like Eric Holder is investigating the IRS, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, black panther voter intimidation etc.


16 posted on 05/21/2014 6:15:21 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: bamahead

It is cases like this that makes me scream> Bring Back Public Hangings, Every person involved deserves to swing from a rope.


17 posted on 05/21/2014 6:16:56 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: bamahead; Alaska Wolf; TexasFreeper2009; DCBryan1; Slings and Arrows; Doomonyou; napscoordinator; ..
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In a just word, any time an LEO was involved in a deadly force incident they would undergo drug/alcohol/steroid testing.

This is little different than the standards a locomotive engineer or bus driver would be held to, or are police more equal than that?

18 posted on 05/21/2014 6:16:59 PM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: colorado tanker

Don’t count on them to truly be as critical as they need to be. Never underestimate Team Blue’s willingness to protect their own.


19 posted on 05/21/2014 6:19:34 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: colorado tanker

The Buffalo police may be doing a great investigation, but they still were aware of the culture of cruelty with some of the officers. No one spoke up earlier.


20 posted on 05/21/2014 6:20:08 PM PDT by healy61
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To: bamahead
“Why would an off-duty officer put handcuffs on an unconscious man?”

Trophy?

21 posted on 05/21/2014 6:25:45 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: null and void

Most places I know of are required to submit to a blood test after a crash or lethal force incident. The insurance companies are requiring it. It is to the point that if I take my fiorinal for a migraine I won’t go into work because, even though I have a prescription for it, I don’t want ANY narcotic in my system just in case.


22 posted on 05/21/2014 6:28:02 PM PDT by bike800
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To: bike800
Most places...

Places? Which sort of places?

23 posted on 05/21/2014 6:32:14 PM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: bamahead
“Why would an off-duty officer put handcuffs on an unconscious man?”

Because the off duty officer was drunk? Drunk on alcohol and drunk on his nearly unlimited powers over the Serfs? Or both.

24 posted on 05/21/2014 6:33:12 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Only Liberals can look at an amendment that says "shall not be infringed" and see blank parchment.)
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To: null and void

Jurisdictions around that which I work...those places. Non union states


25 posted on 05/21/2014 6:33:38 PM PDT by bike800
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To: bamahead
"...bleeding from the ears and mouth..."

Concussion, neural damage. His lack of neural function will help his opposition to defeat him in court. Juries these days aren't any more empathetic than political folks (being the same and all). It's kinda like when bureaucrats rob someone to keep him or her from being able to afford a good attorney to sue.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide as long as the recirculating debt flows.


26 posted on 05/21/2014 6:37:11 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: bike800
Jurisdictions? Do you mean police departments?

Non union states

Are police in union states exempt from drug testing?

27 posted on 05/21/2014 6:39:27 PM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: null and void; bobby.223

Ping


28 posted on 05/21/2014 6:42:05 PM PDT by sport
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To: bamahead
"...unaware of his surroundings. Police and people who have visited him say there is little chance he will recover from his severe brain injury."

Oh, well, it looks like he won't be testifying at all. And as with other lawsuits against big shots, other witnesses will be silenced in advance.

I'm saying that our nation is morally bankrupt, and its leadership at every level has no sincere regards for consequences.


29 posted on 05/21/2014 6:42:43 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: bamahead

"Dad, help me...!"

Remember that? The Orange County, Calif. cops who beat him to death ON CAMERA were fired, but never did a SINGLE DAY in jail.

NO JAIL TIME --nothing.

30 posted on 05/21/2014 6:44:59 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: bamahead
Account taken from the audio:


31 posted on 05/21/2014 6:48:14 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: null and void

Yes police depts...and I don’t know for sure if u ion states are exempt. But I do know that insurance companies are requiring random drug and alcohol tests. And if you are involved in a crash, or fire your weapon, you have a blood sample taken.


32 posted on 05/21/2014 7:01:14 PM PDT by bike800
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To: gaijin

Speaking of “disappeared images” of police beatings, has anyone managed to find a link to the supposedly “viral video” of the Molly’s Pub beating


33 posted on 05/21/2014 7:11:03 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: bamahead
And the J B T THUGS are your friend . /S
34 posted on 05/21/2014 7:15:37 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: bamahead

Mr. Sagar is (was) an aspiring police officer.

I bet he may have said something “incorrect” or “ offensive” at the academy.

Recited Robert Peel’s principles, perhaps?


35 posted on 05/21/2014 7:22:52 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: GladesGuru

It sounds like the viral video was of a different case of police brutality.

The video from Molly’s Pub was “was collected as well by responding officers and will be part of the investigation.”

From my experience, the level of corruption in a department is inversely correlated to the number of officers fired for corruption. Locally, we have departments that fire a couple people each year, but that is because they deserve firing and the departments work to get the bad seeds out. Other departments never fire anyone until the U.S. Attorney’s office gets involved. Those are the bad departments.

Every department has bad officers, the difference is how the department deals with them.


36 posted on 05/21/2014 7:27:19 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: colorado tanker
To their credit the Buffalo PD seems to be doing a real investigation instead of closing ranks around those two thugs.

Let's wait and see if it is simply "form, rather than substance."

37 posted on 05/21/2014 7:32:11 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: bike800

Thanks! That’s very good to know!


38 posted on 05/21/2014 7:33:00 PM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: bamahead
I recall years ago the Buffalo Pd off duty officers stomp to death a kid named Long for cutting them off in traffic!
39 posted on 05/21/2014 7:36:49 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: MediaMole

If the good officers aren’t actively stopping the bad officers in the act of a crime, or reporting the bad officers when they learn of the crime, then they are accessories to the crime.


40 posted on 05/21/2014 7:38:01 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: null and void
"Places? Which sort of places? "

Just about any workplace. Standard procedure... accident=pee in the cup every time

41 posted on 05/21/2014 7:38:19 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: FunkyZero
True for us peins, er, peons I was curious to know if our betters are exempt from the same rules the rest of us have to follow.
42 posted on 05/21/2014 7:45:27 PM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: bamahead
Police officers' duties are to the people, the Constitution, the republic, their communities, and last, to the union "leadership" and organs intent on protecting police from their duties and obligations to the people.

But such loyalty to the U.S.A. is waning, as more and more law-impaired officers brush aside the sovereignty of the people, and answer only to a paycheck from the socialists.

It is not a pretty sight.

Officers are split, sharply, between those who would uphold the law, and those who march to the beat of the "security" in the nationalizing socialism which is taking over the A.F.L.-C.I.O.

A good cop should get the front page of the newspaper, as a tribute to his or her doing the right thing. And a bad cop should get the front page of the newspaper, the story, that is, of their losing their job.

Good cops deserve our respect, and bad cops deserve "the door," and political endorsements should be prohibited.

Police and Firemen elect to take the most stringent of civic duties requiring self-restraint. Each day, they must walk a tight rope above a tight ship, while the rest of us get a little slack ... or are such slackers that we could not punch out a chad with a sledge-hammer and a chisel.

It's the same as walking the straight line in combat --- never slacking off, remaining true to your business at hand, focused upon the objective, determined; or "somebody else pays for it." The grim business of taking a bullet for somebody else, when it's your time; and in the world, the grim business of taking a bullet "for society."

A society which cares for what? Half of whom obviously don't care to know the truth, what are the statutes, what is the rule of law, how important the rule of law is as a surrounding strength of public resolve, with which we maintain an even strain in our statutes.

A society which thinks the Boy Scouts are the bad guys. A society which does not care enough for truth, that it will tolerate the endless show of lies --- the daily gruel of "the liberal media." A society which is so guilty with its own shortcomings, that it welcomed an opportunity to be "blessed" by "President" Clinton's remark that he "did not 'sleep' with that woman."

God bless the good cops; and as for the rest, you can't leave soon enough.

43 posted on 05/21/2014 8:11:10 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: bamahead

Perfect example of why cops should not be taking money as employees from anyone but the municipality or state that authorizes them to carry a weapon.

That they can exercise powers of arrest and life and death at the behest of Loopy O’Slurredspeech Bar N Grill is inherently corrupt.

It also says in the article Buffalo cops aren’t allowd to work security for bars, so why haven’t they been fired yet?

All moonlighting cops working “security” should be fired. You shouldn’t be able to hire private police in this country. What are we, Brazil? Not yet, I hope.


44 posted on 05/21/2014 8:13:10 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: ncalburt

Yeah, they made short work of him....


45 posted on 05/21/2014 8:13:28 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: bike800

I thought fiorinal and fioricet were non narcotic?


46 posted on 05/21/2014 8:17:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: bamahead

Video: Cop Causes Man To Lose Testicle During Traffic Stop
http://www.infowars.com/video-cop-causes-man-to-lose-testicle-during-during-traffic-stop/


47 posted on 05/21/2014 8:22:48 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: null and void

I watched a bunch of conventioning cops sweet talk the local cops out of arresting their drunk buddy after he sexually attacked a waitress at a bar.

Guess this guy didn’t get the memo about never calling the cops.


48 posted on 05/21/2014 9:00:43 PM PDT by Salamander (It's a cult and they worship blue oysters!)
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To: Blue Ink

Amen! A private company hires a cop who wears the government uniform and has all the powers of his job that he uses for the private company against private citizens. Here in Houston they’re always out directing traffic in front of businesses. They stop traffic where there is no stop sign. That should be against the law. If the powers that be think a stop sign should be there, or a traffic light, then put one there.

I watched a constable scream at an old lady one day at one of these locations. I followed her home and told her I’d be a witness if she wanted to file a complaint. She was scared half to death and said she would not file a complaint. So, I called the Constable’s office and they denied they had a cop working at that location. Damned liars!


49 posted on 05/21/2014 9:18:59 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Vendome

You are correct...they are a barbituate. Says don’t operate machinery...stuff like that. I used to suck ot up and go to work after taking it. Now I wouldn’t dare. Even though I have a scrip...if something happened, the city or the insurance company could hang you out to dry.


50 posted on 05/22/2014 3:07:36 AM PDT by bike800
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