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AZ Slide Rock Fire
self | 05/21/14 | crz

Posted on 05/21/2014 6:25:19 PM PDT by crz

The Slide Rock Fire, in the well known are of Oak Creek Canyon, north of Sedona, has grown to some 4000 plus acres.


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1 posted on 05/21/2014 6:25:19 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

Hmmm.


2 posted on 05/21/2014 6:28:40 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: crz

That fire is going to break over the rim. If it does, it could reach Flagstaff. I worked on the logging crews in that area, and there are several jobs that have had the brush piled for burning near that area. If those brush piles get lit, its all over. Especially the sale know as Railroad Springs-out on Woody Mountain Road, as well as the Tea Cup sale right next to the Oak Creek Canyon along 89A.


3 posted on 05/21/2014 6:28:56 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

Oh, I get it now, is this about a forest fire or something?


4 posted on 05/21/2014 6:29:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: crz

There seem to be fires in that area every couple of years. When we were there in 2003 there was a fire there.


5 posted on 05/21/2014 6:30:22 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: ansel12

Yup.


6 posted on 05/21/2014 6:30:41 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

A real shame. Some nice country.


7 posted on 05/21/2014 6:31:02 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: crz

Oak Creek Canyon is a beautiful oasis like area in Arizona. I went there as a child around 65 years ago. The movie “Blood on the Moon” was filmed there. Was also the home of Western book author whose name has completely left me. He wrote The Call of the Wild. Wonderful memories of my childhood. I hate this 02 depravation.


8 posted on 05/21/2014 6:33:29 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: JimSEA

There aint much they can do down in that canyon. Its nearly straight up on each side. BUT, the rim is just at the head end and up there is heavy timber. The only chance they got, if that fire gets over the rim, is where we logged around Flag.

I doubt they will ever stop it.


9 posted on 05/21/2014 6:33:37 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

They now are getting people ready to evac at Katrina Village-just south of Flagstaff.


10 posted on 05/21/2014 6:35:17 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25570513/2014/05/20/fire-burning-near-slide-rock-prompts-evacuations


11 posted on 05/21/2014 6:35:48 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: crz
It's all over

I doubt they will ever stop it

Sounds pretty grim.

12 posted on 05/21/2014 6:35:55 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: blueplum

You see..this is why I didnt link it. I knew one of the FRiends on here would do it for me! Thanx.


13 posted on 05/21/2014 6:37:30 PM PDT by crz
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To: Coldwater Creek

I made a mistake. That was not Jack London’s home.


14 posted on 05/21/2014 6:37:32 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: steve86

I cant remember how far it is from Flag to the rim before it breaks down on the switchbacks. It is not that far..only about a short drive.


15 posted on 05/21/2014 6:38:58 PM PDT by crz
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To: Coldwater Creek

Jack London 1903. Isn’t the Internet great!


16 posted on 05/21/2014 6:41:04 PM PDT by wita
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To: Coldwater Creek

Well it isnt an oasis anymore.
That fire grew from about 40 acres at about noon yesterday to over 4000 today. That is how fast it is growing.


17 posted on 05/21/2014 6:46:10 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

I know, I’ve been there and I’d certainly not want to fight a fire there. The Rim has some of the roughest but most beautiful scenery in AZ.


18 posted on 05/21/2014 6:48:38 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: crz

I hope it will be contained soon. It is a lovely tree-lined drive along the creek. Not something we have much of in AZ.


19 posted on 05/21/2014 6:50:11 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: crz

you’re welcome :) I was just thru Sedona a few weeks ago and on to Flagstaff, where it was snowing (!) Lot of dry stuff south of Seligman. Hope it doesn’t jump the interstate. Stay safe !!


20 posted on 05/21/2014 6:54:56 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: lulu16

It is ZERO percent contained at this time.


21 posted on 05/21/2014 6:55:29 PM PDT by crz
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To: lulu16

I have been down that canyon a ton of time. Its burned now. But, the Oaks should be ok as they tend to regen from a fire. But the Fir and Pond Pines are done for.

It’ll take a hundred years to get back to what it was.


22 posted on 05/21/2014 6:59:46 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

heavy smoke being reported in greater Flagstaff area and

“Crews are currently conducting burn out operations off FSR 535 to create defensible space between the fire and HWY 89 and FSR 535.”

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/3874/


23 posted on 05/21/2014 7:03:30 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: crz

Thank-you for the update and the specifics. I will pray on this sad news. My husband and I were reminiscing about our last trip there. How we must appreciate what we have, especially the beauty that will be missed.


24 posted on 05/21/2014 7:04:15 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: crz

This is so sad. Prayers go out to all the residents and firefighters.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25570513/2014/05/20/fire-burning-near-slide-rock-prompts-evacuations


25 posted on 05/21/2014 7:04:33 PM PDT by azishot
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To: crz
Incredibly pretty area
Memory of flying into Flagstaff Airport,
renting a car, and driving down that canyon to Sedona
was my first (only) trip to Northern Arizona.
26 posted on 05/21/2014 7:08:02 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: blueplum

535, I believe is where the Tea Cup sale is. I was supposed to be on the logging crew that cut that area till the worthless A Hole that owns the company decided to cut the crew. So I have been laid off since early March and am heading back up to Upper Pen of Michigan to work.
Anyway, if that fire gets into the brush piles and those go up..its all over. Down past Rodgers Lake we did a sale last winter (Railroad Springs)that has brush piles about 30 foot high and a hundred feet long. MANY of them. And they are dry. That is not far from the fire.
Am not impressed at all with the quality of logging companies down here. They wouldnt last two days back up in the upper mid west. Oh there are a couple good ones, but the rest are the cut and get out type we drove out of up there.


27 posted on 05/21/2014 7:15:23 PM PDT by crz
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To: HangnJudge

It has been a disaster in waiting. The USFS has been dancing to the tune of the eco freaks for years and now they decided to try and thin those forests out...AFTER they helped drive the wood manufacturing (sawmills, pulpmills) out of the state.

Now there is no place to go with the timber. So they decide to put in place this 4 FRI program..a government subsidies program to have a company come in an establish plants to use that timber. They let the contract to a guy who had gone bankrupt before, had a couple such contracts take away from him and THEN, he transfers the contract to a foreign company which is...you guessed it-A GREEN ENERGY Corp. Owned by a mideast oil baron and financed in part, by..you guessed it again..A CHINESE FIRM.


28 posted on 05/21/2014 7:23:58 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

I appreciate your info.

Online audio:

Northern Arizona Wildland Agencies:
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/9705

Flagstaff Fire and EMS (not yet involved):
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/7


29 posted on 05/21/2014 7:38:48 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: crz

Thanks for the shocking insight. Very disturbing to this AZ native. The ignorant, strident Left will ruin this country sooner than we expect. Thinning is GOOD for forests and essential. Dickheads. I hate them.

I never heard of a fire in Oak Creek. Is it unusual? Could this be arson or otherwise man-caused?


30 posted on 05/21/2014 7:51:11 PM PDT by fullchroma (iCitizen)
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To: blueplum

We logged right up to Fort Tuthill. That is where they sabotaged our equipment. That is where I nearly flattened a lady that stood in the way of the harvestor I was running as she was trying to stop us from cutting. I told her husband he had 10 seconds to get her ass out of my way before I dropped a big one on top of her. He got her out of there.


31 posted on 05/21/2014 7:53:59 PM PDT by crz
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To: fullchroma

It is suspected to be man caused.


32 posted on 05/21/2014 7:54:46 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz
Sad news. Some friends and I rode motorcycles through Oak Creek Canyon just days ago. It is an incredible area, but it looked as though it had burned recently. This pic was taken there just last Saturday.


33 posted on 05/21/2014 8:09:52 PM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Zane Gray, I think.


34 posted on 05/21/2014 8:15:55 PM PDT by fullchroma (iCitizen)
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To: crz


35 posted on 05/21/2014 8:18:38 PM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: crz

I think the fire started in the area of Slide Rock Park and ran up the canyon wall and then has spread north from there.

I agree that the area above the rim to the north has nothing to stop it.

They weren’t able to put the planes on it this afternoon from news reports I read, due to high wind — 25 gusting to 35.


36 posted on 05/21/2014 8:28:05 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: South40

Looks to me that that pic was taken atop the rim coming from Flag before you dropped down over the rim. Would you believe that the woods off to your side was logged just a few years ago? It was.


37 posted on 05/21/2014 8:34:46 PM PDT by crz
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To: South40

This is the future of logging. This is a piece of equipment that is brought in after the merch timber is taken out. They then chip it for area bio mass or wood fired plants that use the material for heating etc. Although this demo is in TX where no doubt it was used for bio-mass for co-gen operations.
Messersmith Engineering makes wood chip boilers for hospitals, schools etc which are used for heat. Way cheaper than other types of heating fuels, where available.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-11yXWMqjSg


38 posted on 05/21/2014 8:39:42 PM PDT by crz
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To: South40

Lord, I think I am going to be sick after looking at those pictures.


39 posted on 05/21/2014 8:44:01 PM PDT by crz
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To: South40

Yup, I have some shots just like that from the overlook area at the head of the canyon after you come up that series of switchbacks.

This is a double blow to the small cottage and cabin business in the canyon — they were going to have the 89A shut for three months this summer making it a dead end from the south. The project the road crew was going to do was peal the rock back on the switchback area as it is a big hazard and tough to keep safe in the winter.


40 posted on 05/21/2014 9:03:25 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: KC Burke

That has to be a fun ride on bikes. Another no doubt would be on 89A on the way to Prescott and all.


41 posted on 05/21/2014 9:11:44 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

I was on that Mingus Mt. stretch going through some curves and a guy in a Toyota Taco passed me on a curve at about 60 mph while I was doing 45 or 50. I could not believe anyone could be so dumb.


42 posted on 05/21/2014 9:13:52 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: crz

We were staying in Cottonwood and came in from the Sedona side. But yes, that was on our way out of the canyon. It was Saturday and there was incredible crowds. Taking pics was difficult but I got these on the way out. We traveled through Flagstaff and on to Williams for lunch. This was all new to me as I live in San Diego. SD was on fire when I rolled out of here last Thursday. Now that area is on fire. It’s going to be a tough summer.


43 posted on 05/21/2014 9:28:49 PM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: crz

that’s a pretty cool machine. I know Arizona and California both have permit programs where regular folk can go in and get two or more cords of dead and fallwood for firewood, but brush is always an issue, and that machine looks like to will handle that problem just fine.


44 posted on 05/21/2014 9:53:43 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

Tomorrow, I think I will put up a thread on the pollution created by these fires and the prescribed burns the fire bugs set at the USFS.

Some of the top forestry schools in the nation did a study on them. It is far worse than anyone thinks.

Cut to length operations, are the most environmentally sensible logging methods possible. Granted, in some areas like the Pacific Northwest, they can not be done, but these operations-cut to length, can and do operate on 12 percent slopes. Tree length, or whole tree, are destructive and damaging. That is a proven fact.


45 posted on 05/21/2014 10:11:17 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

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It has been a disaster in waiting. The USFS has been dancing to the tune of the eco freaks for years and now they decided to try and thin those forests out...AFTER they helped drive the wood manufacturing (sawmills, pulpmills) out of the state.

Now there is no place to go with the timber. So they decide to put in place this 4 FRI program..a government subsidies program to have a company come in an establish plants to use that timber. They let the contract to a guy who had gone bankrupt before, had a couple such contracts take away from him and THEN, he transfers the contract to a foreign company which is...you guessed it-A GREEN ENERGY Corp. Owned by a mideast oil baron and financed in part, by..you guessed it again..A CHINESE FIRM.


46 posted on 05/22/2014 1:40:31 AM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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Here is the facts. The corporation that actually won that 4FRI bid was disqualified BECAUSE, the USFS did not want to deal with a company that used that natural resource solely for building material..it was an OSB board manufacturing corporation. They actually bid millions more on that contract.

So, they awarded the contract to an outfit that had no capital to perform-no machinery, no financing, and poor experience. They then claimed that the mill in Heber was the lynchpin to the operation. Yet the man who owned and ran that mill in Heber, a first class crook and shyster, and also filed bankruptcy, got into the act. To top it all off, the main point man, is a former USFS employee for the people whom the contract was awarded.
Here is a little secret. I personally know a very high up in one of the biggest AMERICAN forest products manufacturing corporations in the USA. Before this all went down, and was in its very initial stages, they went to the USFS and offered to put in the proper plants, manage the logging, do all the work, and make it right. The USFS turned them down. They suspect that the USFS had gone on the take for one, and for the second, this corporation told the USFS they would bring in experienced logging crews from other states as well as local crews-something the local loggers do not want.
Now we see the effects of this mismanagement of a resource by the USFS, which have been infiltrated by anti management eco nuts. So they transferred that contract to a GREEN ENERGY COMPANY.
http://www.sfreporter.com/santafe/article-7515-up-in-smoke.html


47 posted on 05/22/2014 7:20:26 AM PDT by crz
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To: fullchroma; Coldwater Creek

Zane Grey lived along the Mogollon Rim north and east of Payson, AZ.


48 posted on 05/22/2014 9:29:05 AM PDT by HiJinx (Bunkerville - where the government made the Government. back down.)
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To: crz

Please get this information out to the local conservative talk stations in Tucson. I am sure Garrett Lewis 790A KNST on his morning show and James T Harris at 104.1FM The Truth in the afternoon would be very interested.

God Bless You for being aware and telling others.


49 posted on 05/22/2014 10:02:03 AM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: crz

just a little update. Slide rock at 7500 acres, 5% contained. Believed to be man-made. One of the fire guys said the trees are so dry they are flashing into ash. (is that possible?)

“The fuels are just so dry, entire trees are turning to ash,” said Dick Fleishman, a spokesman for fire managers.

A primary focus of firefighting efforts will be to pinch off the fire where it has reached the top of the canyon’s northeast corner to keep it from burning northward toward residential areas, he said.

Sciacca said 500 firefighters were assigned to the fire Thursday

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Many-residents-flee-as-Slide-Fire-grows-260249701.html


50 posted on 05/23/2014 3:11:17 AM PDT by blueplum
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