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Vatican Says Pope Will Demand ‘Sovereign Palestine’
INN ^ | 5/22/2014, 7:11 PM | Ari Yashar

Posted on 05/22/2014 10:45:22 AM PDT by Olog-hai

The Vatican’s Secretary of State made a dramatic revelation ahead of Pope Francis’s visit to Israel next Sunday and Monday, declaring that the pope will talk about the “Palestinian people’s right to have a homeland, sovereign and independent.”

Cardinal Pietro Parolin holds a role in the Vatican City State, located in the Italian capital of Rome, equivalent to that of a prime minister. …

When asked what the pope particularly intends to talk about during the visit, Parolin revealed he would talk about “on the one hand, Israel’s right to exist in peace and security within internationally recognized boundaries.” On the other side, the pope would talk about “the Palestinian people’s right to have a homeland, sovereign and independent, the right to move around freely, the right to live in dignity,” according to Parolin.

In fact, the Vatican recognized the “State of Palestine” in 2012 amid the United Nations (UN) vote to confer “Palestine” non-member observer state status, a status until then only held by the Vatican. …

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2statesolution; cardinalparolin; frank; ilpapa; israel; palestine; pope; popefrancis; popeisraelvisit; romancatholicism; rop; sevenseals; sovereignpalestine; vatican; waronterror
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1 posted on 05/22/2014 10:45:22 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Good grief, there is a Palistine, called Jordan!


2 posted on 05/22/2014 10:46:38 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Olog-hai

Sit down and shut up Frank. People are starting to think you’re stupid.


3 posted on 05/22/2014 10:47:31 AM PDT by pgkdan (ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF THE ANTICHRIST!)
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To: Olog-hai

Someone from Argentina instructing another country how to engage in politics. Almost as bad as a president that never worked a day in his life telling us which industries and jobs are good for us.


4 posted on 05/22/2014 10:48:00 AM PDT by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: Olog-hai

“... the right to move around freely, the right to live in dignity...”

which may include:

.......the right to make and use molotov cocktails blow up buses...use their kids as human shields...and kill jews


5 posted on 05/22/2014 10:48:57 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Olog-hai

Frank gets all his ideas from the New York Slimes.


6 posted on 05/22/2014 10:49:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Biggirl

Since the Pope is supposedly the Vicar of Christ,
and the only title Christ ever had on earth was “King of the Jews”,
it might behoove his Vicar to stick up for his people
once in awhile.

Which means, among other things, not enabling their enemies.


7 posted on 05/22/2014 10:49:11 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Biggirl

People still buy that, do they. Not even Transjordan was called “Palestine” back before Israel was established. None of the Arabs that transformed themselves into “Palestinians” were ever worried about living in Transjordan/Jordan but taking the former Southern Syria back over.


8 posted on 05/22/2014 10:49:48 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: CondorFlight

That is why I say what I say, that Jordan is the real Palestine, which includes a flag that looks pretty much like the Palestine flag.

Pope Francis’s priority should be to support the land of the Holy Bible.


9 posted on 05/22/2014 10:52:06 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Olog-hai

Oh brother.

More insanity


10 posted on 05/22/2014 10:53:33 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Biggirl

Only way this makes sense to me is if the Vatican never recognized the state of Jordan (25 May 1946).

Well, it’s about time!


11 posted on 05/22/2014 10:54:08 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Olog-hai

Is it too soon for the Antichrist comparisons? I don’t think so.


12 posted on 05/22/2014 10:54:59 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Olog-hai

Yet that “southern Syria” has been rebuilt into a sucessful independent nation not just because of hard work, but also of tourism money coming from vacations/pilgrimages.


13 posted on 05/22/2014 10:55:17 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: MeshugeMikey

If they are so full of great, meaningful and helpful advice, they should volunteer Vatican city. It’s already built.

Then they can meaningfully contribute to the safety issues of Israelis.

The idiots want to side with the muslim mouthpieces who will continue to pester Israel irrespective of what is given to the raiding, raping, thieving backwards muslim lowlifes.


14 posted on 05/22/2014 10:55:25 AM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Olog-hai
Vatican Says Pope Will Demand ‘Sovereign Palestine’

So let it be written, so let it be done. /sarc

15 posted on 05/22/2014 10:55:59 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Biggirl

Bingo. He is an idiot.


16 posted on 05/22/2014 10:59:06 AM PDT by ZULU (https://www.facebook.com/freejustina)
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To: Olog-hai
We tend to forget that with the exceptions of abortion and same-sex marriage, the Catholic Church is very leftist, and they are getting pretty squishy about abortion and homosexuality.

Pope Frank is a typical progressive - he wants to be real nice to everyone. But, that is not how God works. God loves us all, but he calls us to His Truth and says that we are accountable. Catholics are so confused by the insane church traditions that have been sold to them as Gospel, that they have no real doctrine anymore.

17 posted on 05/22/2014 10:59:20 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Biggirl

Beat me to it.


18 posted on 05/22/2014 11:00:13 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: Olog-hai

Guess the pope needs to brush up on end times prophecy.


19 posted on 05/22/2014 11:00:35 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Olog-hai

There were never a “PALESTINIAN PEOPLE”. This was created out of whole cloth by the ARAB LEAGUE, after the Israeli victory in the 1967 war. Let’s look at this with eyes wide open, shall we? Before the Israeli victory in the 1967 war, there was the GAZA STRIP (belonging to Egypt, that means every one living in the GAZA strip were EGYPTIANS, Not “PALESTINIANS”). The West Bank (belonged to Jordan, that means that every one living there were JORDANIANS, Not “PALESTINIANS”) And there was the GOLAN HEIGHTS(belonging to SYRIA, that means that every one living there were SYRIANS not “PALESTINIANS”). Every one of these people in Europe and the United States that now claim that there has to be a “PALESTINIAN STATE” is either sucking up to the MUSLIMS or they are completely ignorant of history


20 posted on 05/22/2014 11:00:58 AM PDT by gingerbread
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To: Dr. Thorne

As time goes on, the ineptitude of this individual’s selection to fill the shoes of St. Peter becomes increasingly manifest.

It is no longer possible to correct this guy’s reputation by reparcing his conversations.


21 posted on 05/22/2014 11:00:59 AM PDT by ZULU (https://www.facebook.com/freejustina)
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To: Olog-hai

Is it to late to disinvite him?


22 posted on 05/22/2014 11:01:52 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: servantboy777

and if Israel says no, the church will eventually turn against Israel as Revelation suggests


23 posted on 05/22/2014 11:02:02 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Say What? lol


24 posted on 05/22/2014 11:02:40 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Norm Lenhart
Is it too soon for the Antichrist comparisons?

If it is, then a lot of people were 500 years too soon!

25 posted on 05/22/2014 11:03:15 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: gingerbread

Now you understand where I come from, that I call it Jordan.


26 posted on 05/22/2014 11:04:29 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: servantboy777; Olog-hai
Guess the pope needs to brush up on end times prophecy.

I'm absolutely sure he is aware that
he is "Peter the Roman"
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
27 posted on 05/22/2014 11:05:54 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

‘The Last Pope’ comes to mind.


28 posted on 05/22/2014 11:08:20 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

I was about to post, “Hail Petrus Romanus! Or Hail Hydra!” or something like that.


29 posted on 05/22/2014 11:08:31 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Ingtar
;-)

30 posted on 05/22/2014 11:11:41 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Well, he is determined to ‘Communize” the church, destroy borders and a bunch of other things so far that fly in the face of his predicessors. He may well be the last, AC references aside. He may be Pope to an empty church.


31 posted on 05/22/2014 11:12:12 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: GeronL

Bingo, we have a winner.


32 posted on 05/22/2014 11:12:44 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Olog-hai

Who is he to demand anything?


33 posted on 05/22/2014 11:16:03 AM PDT by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Ok ok.....now you got me. Yes, Peter the Roman was Malachy’s prediction...but Francis Peter the Roman?

Didn’t think we made this distinction yet? In fact, there were folks saying that his sec.of state(Archbishop Pietro Parolin of Italy) was truly Peter the Roman. What’chu know I don’t know. lol


34 posted on 05/22/2014 11:17:05 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

Stick to Religion Cuz!


35 posted on 05/22/2014 11:24:49 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Olog-hai

Pope Peron the first.


36 posted on 05/22/2014 11:27:43 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Organic Panic

There already is Sovereign Palestine, it’s called “Jordan.”


37 posted on 05/22/2014 11:29:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Frank gets all his ideas from the New York Slimes”

Frank gets all his ideas from Jesuits in Argentina; basically, Marxists with bibles.


38 posted on 05/22/2014 11:32:38 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: gingerbread

Golan Heights didn’t “belong” to Syria. It got bounced between the French and British mandates until about 1944, and it was always contested after Israel got its independence.


39 posted on 05/22/2014 11:32:57 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Biggirl

But it still isn’t.


40 posted on 05/22/2014 11:33:19 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: gingerbread
Well stated.

BTTT

41 posted on 05/22/2014 11:37:02 AM PDT by Spitzensparkin1 (Arrest and deport all illegal aliens. Americans demand those jobs back! Hoorah, Arizona!)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

A prophecy right out of the Good Book.


42 posted on 05/22/2014 11:38:31 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Olog-hai

We all know what happens to those who mess with God’s land for His people. Sooner or later it will be painful.

Frankie is literally giving God the finger.


43 posted on 05/22/2014 11:39:16 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: gingerbread

This is just legalistic nonsense. Whatever you call them, the Arab population of the former UN mandate known as Palestine have the same right to self-determination as the Jewish population. It is ofter forgotten that this was one of the points of the UN partition plan. Either Israel should annex the area and grant full and equal citizenship (with no distinction between Jews and non-Jews) to its inhabitants or let the Arabs form their own state. You pick.


44 posted on 05/22/2014 11:43:44 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

The Arabs could always form their own state in the current territories, the issue is they want Jerusalem.

Annexing and granting them citizenship is suicide


45 posted on 05/22/2014 11:44:58 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Petrosius

The “right to self-determination” that the Arabs of that area have been exercising since 1947 is the utter destruction of the Jewish state and having an Islamic state “from the river to the sea”. Are you advocating that too? It seems that you don’t understand what’s going on there—the Arabs rejected the “partition plan” and continue to reject it to this day, desiring all of the land in question.


46 posted on 05/22/2014 11:46:38 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL

They only want it because Abraham was promised all of it for HIS DESCENDENTS..the Israelites, FOREVER!


47 posted on 05/22/2014 11:46:47 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: GeronL

No, that’s not the sole issue. They want not only all of Jerusalem, but the entire land “from the river (Jordan) to the (Mediterranean) Sea”.


48 posted on 05/22/2014 11:47:25 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: gingerbread
BTTT

Gingerbread wrote... "There were never a “PALESTINIAN PEOPLE”. This was created out of whole cloth by the ARAB LEAGUE, after the Israeli victory in the 1967 war.

Let’s look at this with eyes wide open, shall we?

Before the Israeli victory in the 1967 war, there was the GAZA STRIP (belonging to Egypt, that means every one living in the GAZA strip were EGYPTIANS, Not “PALESTINIANS”).

The West Bank (belonged to Jordan, that means that every one living there were JORDANIANS, Not “PALESTINIANS”)

And there was the GOLAN HEIGHTS(belonging to SYRIA, that means that every one living there were SYRIANS not “PALESTINIANS”).

Every one of these people in Europe and the United States that now claim that there has to be a “PALESTINIAN STATE” is either sucking up to the MUSLIMS or they are completely ignorant of history"

Or BOTH! I am sick of hearing the incessant whining about the poor "Palestinians". In fact they are a complete fraud just like gore-bull warming.

SS1

49 posted on 05/22/2014 11:59:06 AM PDT by Spitzensparkin1 (Arrest and deport all illegal aliens. Americans demand those jobs back! Hoorah, Arizona!)
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To: GeronL
The Arabs could always form their own state in the current territories, the issue is they want Jerusalem.

The eastern half of the city still has an Arab population. But the issue is more than just Jerusalem. There is the question of the settlements that Israel wants to keep and would break up any contiguous Arab territory, Israel also wants to maintain underground water rights, and the Jordan Valley. The latter would deprive the Arab state from having a non-Israeli international border. On the Palestinian side there is their refusal to give up on the return of the refugees.

Annexing and granting them citizenship is suicide

As a Jewish state, granted. Either choice is unpalatable. The problem started with unrealistic expectations of the founders of Israel. At the time of the partition the Jews only comprised around 30% of the population yet were to be given half of the land. They ended up with 70% of the land after independence. Additionally, the partition was imposed on the Arabs without negotiations and without their consent. Thus conflict was inevitable. While am truly not any fan of the Arabs, there can be no peace until the Jews recognize that the Arab population of the territory have the same rights as they do. Israel needs to face the reality and make some hard choices. I do not envy them and of the two choices, annexation or partition, I do not know which is better.

50 posted on 05/22/2014 11:59:07 AM PDT by Petrosius
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