Thanks for the great graphic.
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Posted on 05/22/2014 3:22:52 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
...The Pope has rejected the idea of same-sex marriage as an “anthropological regression” and stressed that when it comes to adoption, “every person needs a male father and a female mother.”
Pope Francis explained his views on these hot-button issues in his book, On Heaven and Earth: Pope Francis on Faith, Family, and the Church in the Twenty-First Century, which he co-wrote with Rabbi Abraham Skorka in 2010 and which was republished after the then-Argentine cardinal was elected to the papacy in March 2013.
The book is a dialogue between Skorka and the future Pope and includes a chapter on same-sex marriage, which is where the pontiff also talks about adoption.
Skorka first explains that Judaism “prohibits sexual relations between two men” and then expresses worry about how a proposed gay-marriage law in Argentina could change “the core values of our society.”
Pope Francis (then-Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio) says, “I have the exact same opinion; in order to define it I would use the expression ‘anthropologic regression,’ a weakening of the [marriage] institution that is thousands of years old and that was forged according to nature and anthropology.”
“We know that in times of momentous change the homosexual phenomenon grew, but in this period it is the first time that the legal problem of assimilating it to marriage has arisen, and this I consider an anti-value and an anthropological regression,” says the Pope. “I say this because it transcends the religious issue, it is anthropological.”
“If there is a union of a private nature, there is neither a third party nor is society affected,” he writes. “Now, if the union is given the category of marriage and they are given adoption rights, there could be children affected.”
“Every person needs a male father and a female mother that can help them shape their identity,” says Pope Francis.
Explaining further, he says, “It is often argued that a child would be better cared for by a same-sex couple rather than in an orphanage or an institution. Those two situations are not optimal. The problem is that the State does not do what it has to do."
“They should streamline the procedure of adoption, which are never-ending, so that these children can have a home,” says the pontiff. “One failure of the State does not justify another failure of the State. The underlying issue must be addressed. More than a marriage law so that people of the same sex can adopt, we have to improve the adoption laws, which are excessively bureaucratic and, in their current implementation, encourage corruption.”
I assume that, as you want to be recognized as "Bipolar," you're filling your role accordingly.
Men who choose to be priests have made their choice. You don’t take a vow unless you’ve made a choice.
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Why does it bother you that a man or woman can choose celibacy?
In some countries they are; that's why I said "well-run." I read an interesting article recently about an organization that is promoting domestic adoption in Romania. It said that a very large percentage of "orphans" (often abandoned children, really) in Romania are Gypsies.
I agree that having a mother and a father is best.
But I think adoption by a capable and loving single parent is generally better than orhpanhood or abortion. Even if the adoptive parent is homosexual, and has a partner in the same home.
You’re raising a false contradiction. Babies are aborted even though there are adoptive families available. They’re abandoned to die even though there are adoptive families available. Children are placed with single people and with homosexuals, even though there are married couples waiting to adopt.
It is a conscious choice on the part of the authorities to place children in what are known to be, in the aggregate, less successful family situations.
:) Don’t worry, I know that your children aren’t in the welfare line.
What I meant was that, while we were not wealthy, we were pretty well off, yet we did not expect our own rooms. Many parents today feel compelled to provide each child with his own room. My opinion is that sharing a room brings about a lot of social learning for kids.
I assume all you say is true, and have no disagreement. I stand by what I said, and mean no more than what I said.
I do suspect that there is a surplus of adoptable third-world babies that aren’t being denied to married (man and woman) couples.
"Uncle Will" was a homosexual, but a closeted one. As far as I have been able to see from biographical materials, Uncle Will never practiced his proclivities except when he was on foreign vacation jaunts --- he craved "handsome Aegean youths" --- and (anonymously) publishing a book of Uranian poetry.
I'll grant that Uncle Will did very well by his three adopted nephews. But I would have a different judgment if he had had a steady partner or multiple revolving partners, or if he had disclosed his sexuality conduct to them before their adulthood.
In order of preference:
1. Married loving parents (one of each sex).
2. Loving single parent.
3. Loving parent with long-term gay partner.
4. Loving parent with many/changing partners.
5. Unloving parent(s).
6. No parents.
7. Aborted.
I don’t see why you’d have to go that far down the list. There are many, many mom-and-dad couples willing to adopt, who often cannot not do so because of financial constraints. Let churches, philanthropic foundations, nonprofit 501(c)(3)’s, or even counties and states subsidize adoption, and you don’t have to go past option #1. And the county and state can save caboodles of money from their failed temporary fostercare system.
Homosexuality is a disorder. Would you still include number 3 if it were instead, “loving parent with long-term alcoholic partner”?
I’m not including or excluding, I’m ranking the options.
Let me know if you would rank things differently.
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