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TSA to Purchase 24 Million Rounds of “Duty” Ammunition (Feds preparing to arm TSA workers?)
FEDBizOpps ^ | 5-20-2014 | DHS

Posted on 05/22/2014 6:09:57 PM PDT by equalator

The TSA has issued a solicitation requesting 24 million rounds of .357 SIG “duty ammunition” over a five year period, prompting fresh questions as to whether the federal agency is planning to arm its workers.

“Estimated quantity is approximately 4,800,000 rounds of .357 Sig duty ammunition per year, totaling 24,000,000 over the life of the contract,” states the solicitation, posted on FedBizOpps, which adds that the ammo is for use at “DHS component locations nationwide.”

(Excerpt) Read more at fbo.gov ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: obama; tsa
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1 posted on 05/22/2014 6:09:57 PM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

I hope if Cruz is elected President he will order all this federale ammo to be sold on the open market to citizens and encourage every citizen to be armed and well provisioned with ammo.


2 posted on 05/22/2014 6:11:46 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: equalator; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

3 posted on 05/22/2014 6:13:15 PM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: equalator

The end is coming from the United States, and this administration is stepping up the pace. Obviously something is going to happen that will require all law enforcement officers to begin murdering US citizens at will.


4 posted on 05/22/2014 6:14:35 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: equalator

I’d wager 80% of TSA “agents” don’t know which end of the gun a bullet comes out.


5 posted on 05/22/2014 6:15:58 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I bet 80% of them would hold the gun sideways


6 posted on 05/22/2014 6:16:33 PM PDT by equalator
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To: realcleanguy

Well they can try. I’d wager they’ll run when we start shooting back.


7 posted on 05/22/2014 6:16:51 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

You’re probably safe if they’re shooting at you.

It’s that 3 year old at the other end of the concourse that will end up shot.


8 posted on 05/22/2014 6:20:48 PM PDT by digger48
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To: realcleanguy

Is there a listing anywhere of all the government ammo purchases in the past oh say 6 years?


9 posted on 05/22/2014 6:21:02 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: equalator

I wonder if these solicitations are truly for the agency stated. They are supposed to be but I wonder.

Why does the Post office need ammo? Or the TSA.DHS, however, IS arming themselves.


10 posted on 05/22/2014 6:21:56 PM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: equalator

Seems like kind of an exotic round for this kind of thing.


11 posted on 05/22/2014 6:24:45 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: equalator

Targets don’t shoot back.


12 posted on 05/22/2014 6:24:46 PM PDT by Gasshog (DemoKKKrats: Leaders of the Free Sh!t World)
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To: CrazyIvan

It’s a rare round.


13 posted on 05/22/2014 6:25:51 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: equalator

Where is the “dog aiming a gun” realistic target?


14 posted on 05/22/2014 6:26:56 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: equalator

The government does not buy this amount of rounds unless they know
something they think we don’t know. I think we all know what is coming.


15 posted on 05/22/2014 6:30:15 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

.357Sig isn’t the least bit rare. Many Fed agencies and municipal PDs use it. Think .40 S&W with rebated rim and .357 business end.


16 posted on 05/22/2014 6:33:20 PM PDT by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: realcleanguy
Obviously something is going to happen that will require all law enforcement officers to begin murdering US citizens at will.

No need to go farther than the fall of the US Dollar. Currently the USD is backed only by the fact that a lot of those dollars are in circulation, and by the backroom deal that oil on this planet can be sold only for USD. This resulted in a situation where the USA only needs to print money to remain rich. This also means that the USA charges the world a tax for using the USD, and lives off of this tax. So far this works - in part because it takes only a small amount of money to "personally convince" the decision makers that the USD is the best currency in the world. However this does not make the USD any more attractive technically. There are also countries with enough weight to displace the USD - and they will do so without any hesitation if it benefits them.

If we imagine that the USD is not going anywhere, the current model of the US society, extrapolated onto a few decades in the future, is quite simple and stable. One President after another are building a cradle-to-grave dependency society, where citizens don't have to work in order to live. In reality most don't even have an option of working because they have neither a place to work at, nor skills to do the work, nor buyers of their product. In a long view a US citizen is born and immediately placed on entitlements until his natural (or not so natural) death. The entitlements would be financed by the rest of the planet. This scheme is already in place.

In either scenario the citizen ceases to be a valuable producer of goods. He instead becomes a useless eater. If the USD crashes, most of the population will not be able to survive. If the USD does not crash, the cattle needs to be managed and culled as needed to maintain a reasonable herd structure. (It's not very likely that 300 million people with too much free time on their hands will be only singing and painting.) That's where the ammo is needed.

17 posted on 05/22/2014 6:35:12 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: equalator

Bump


18 posted on 05/22/2014 6:35:21 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: paulcissa
Actually it is a .40 S&W necked to .355 (9mm) the name came from the goal to have .357 performance from an auto. Kind of confusing.
19 posted on 05/22/2014 6:42:13 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: paulcissa

Why not go with the .40 S&W ?


20 posted on 05/22/2014 6:44:57 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The Feds are buying many calibers in their armament program. .40 S&W, .357 Sig, , 9mm, and most of them hollow point slugs. H P rounds are illegal for military use. Seems like the decision makers are reading the literature on what is the most popular round of the moment and then buying it. Not much thought on what gun is going to shoot it.

USDA just put out a request for an MP5 type sub-gun that will launch the .40. I guess they felt a little out gunned in Nevada with their Glock 22’s against some serious firepower.


21 posted on 05/22/2014 6:46:28 PM PDT by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: equalator

Why not? Every other Federal Agency is getting armed.


22 posted on 05/22/2014 6:48:40 PM PDT by sport
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To: CrazyIvan

What agency has the .357 Sig round pistols? TSA? Most airports use local law enforcement for security and most cop shops use .40 cal. Do the feds just have another warehouse to fill with more ammo?


23 posted on 05/22/2014 6:52:42 PM PDT by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Better body armor penetration with the right projectile?


24 posted on 05/22/2014 6:56:19 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: equalator

W Bush’s creation of DHS-—the gift that keeps giving.

http://thedailypatdown.com/


25 posted on 05/22/2014 7:08:42 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: CrazyIvan

Not body armor but better performance than the 9mm but less recoil then a 40.


26 posted on 05/22/2014 7:09:45 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: CrazyIvan

The specifications are for hollow point rounds.
They must penetrate at least 12 inches of gelatin after going through 2 sheets of 20 gauge, galvanized steel and ‘light clothing’ . Sounds like they want to nail folks in cars.
Also must penetrate gelatin after going through laminated glass at a 45 degree angle. aka: Windshield.

The TSA will be chasing folks through the parking lot.


27 posted on 05/22/2014 7:12:21 PM PDT by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: alpo

Thanks for the info.


28 posted on 05/22/2014 7:15:30 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: tennmountainman
I think we all know what is coming.

I've relocated the entire family out of the city in anticipation. Of course that doesn't bring any guarantee, but one does the best one can.

29 posted on 05/22/2014 7:16:14 PM PDT by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: The Duke

That is all one can do.


30 posted on 05/22/2014 7:22:26 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: alpo

and we would be the gelatin


31 posted on 05/22/2014 7:24:56 PM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

J-E-L-L-YOU! (You have to be kind of old to git that)


32 posted on 05/22/2014 7:28:13 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: driftdiver

I predict a rash of accidental discharges, lost/stolen weapons, grab-ass homicides, and other forms of FedGov sponsored hijinx.


33 posted on 05/22/2014 7:50:45 PM PDT by clintonh8r (I wish no harm on Gen. Shinseki, but perhaps he should consider seppuku.....)
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To: realcleanguy
Obviously something is going to happen that will require all law enforcement officers to begin murdering US citizens at will.

They already do, however this is usually given the trappings of SOP and/or official investigation.
I think that what we should be on the lookout for is a drop in info from any midsized cities, an information-blackout could indicate things happening.

The other way for a big operation to go down is as response to 'terrorism' which may or may not be a false-flag op.

34 posted on 05/22/2014 7:54:17 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Arming all the administrative agencies,but willing to destroy all the surplus 223 ammo...You tell me !


35 posted on 05/22/2014 7:57:11 PM PDT by skinny old man (Still lurking and posting after all these years(20 yrs ?)(more ?)(seems like more...))
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To: Kartographer

PING.


36 posted on 05/22/2014 8:10:45 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: CrazyIvan

It’s standard Air Marshal ammo. Moves fast, hits hard, shouldn’t need a followup, limited penetration. Costs a lot in both ammo and the barrels it tears up in practice. It’s what you buy when price is no object but performance & availability is.


37 posted on 05/22/2014 8:14:44 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: SharpRightTurn

Please provide a verifiable source of information for that 2 billion number. Of course you cannot. Please don’t post BS on this forum.


38 posted on 05/22/2014 8:15:47 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: null and void

They grip and assault the helpless and now they want to shoot them too


39 posted on 05/22/2014 8:20:22 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: skinny old man
Arming all the administrative agencies,but willing to destroy all the surplus 223 ammo...You tell me !

One of the things the Art of War teaches is to let your enemy supply you inasmuch as possible and to deny him supplies from afar [i.e. make his army have to carry everything they need, as it tiers out his soldiers and places more concerns on them]. — .223 is a very common civilian round, so to destroy it would be to deny it falling into their enemy's hands.

40 posted on 05/22/2014 8:20:58 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: equalator

If they start shooting at me, they better be good.
I seldom miss and with my S-W 629, good to 100 yards


41 posted on 05/22/2014 8:22:02 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: ctdonath2
It’s what you buy when price is no object but performance & availability is.

Yep. I just had the pleasure of taking a class from the guy the Air Marshals chose to instruct them. They did an extensive testing program for specifying the caliber and came up with two recommendations: (1) .357 Sig, and (2) .45 ACP. Great, he sez, I'm gonna get to instruct on .45...oh, no. These guys had money. REAL money. When they carried in the crates of .357 Sig he said he was thinking Wow! I get to teach with that, and then, Wait a minute! I PAID for that!

They're good shots. They have to requalify every 21 days because they lose their edge after that. That sort of program costs a lot of time and money. Did I say a lot of money? When they need to train in a 747 they lower one from the ceiling. When they need a 707, same story. These guys have money. Your money.

42 posted on 05/22/2014 8:24:28 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: realcleanguy

There are too many cops killing citizens already. Just like there are too many dumb cops and too many fat cops. But hopefully, when the war starts and the adrenaline starts to rise the fat ones will drop dead of a heart attack.


43 posted on 05/22/2014 8:46:41 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: driftdiver
I’d wager 80% of TSA “agents” don’t know which end of the gun a bullet comes out.

Well I don't know about that but there is a goodly percentage of TSA "agents" that do because that's the end the cops were pointing at them when they were arrested.

44 posted on 05/22/2014 8:50:10 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: equalator
isnt that right???..ive seen it a million times on TV!../s
45 posted on 05/22/2014 8:58:05 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Nifster

I think the TSA will be in charge of making sure the cargo on the death trains is unarmed...


46 posted on 05/22/2014 9:06:15 PM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: equalator

But I don’t see one of a dog...


47 posted on 05/22/2014 9:08:04 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Adder
wiki says air marshals use them

It's an elongated .40 case necked down to fit a 9mm bullet. What I don't get is that the trajectory is flatter, and penetration greater. Air Marshals might not want too much penetration, what with people, a cockpit, and a bunch of plane around them.

There is a list of agencies at the link.

48 posted on 05/22/2014 9:15:54 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: equalator
Why are they targeting US Citizens?

The war on drugs is really a WAR ON US Citizens!

The Govt is Arming BOTH SIDES, and selling the drugs on BOTH SIDES!

END PROHIBITION NOW! Deny the police state ANY RIGHT except in hostage sits, to kick in doors and murder people!

49 posted on 05/23/2014 12:31:19 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: TurboZamboni
They all knew that black is the new Teflon and no one would dare try to impeach or remove from office a black man so the plan is working well, any white guy would have been thrown out long ago. The Bush boys and thier rat partners the UN and the NWO did well. The question to ask is when did Homeland security come into existence? 9-11 well isn't that a coincidence
50 posted on 05/23/2014 3:23:27 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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