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Obamacare Canít Be Fixed: Tweaking wonít help; the only solution is to repeal and replace.
National Review ^ | 05/23/2014 | Jeffrey H. Anderson

Posted on 05/23/2014 7:59:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; abolishobamacare; obamacare; repeal
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1 posted on 05/23/2014 7:59:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Just repeal the damn thing, keep the government out of it and let me handle my own health care.


2 posted on 05/23/2014 8:02:49 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What is the Conservative alternative? No one will say.


3 posted on 05/23/2014 8:09:50 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind

What is the Conservative alternative? No one will say.


4 posted on 05/23/2014 8:09:50 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind

They’ll start pushing single-payer. I’ve heard multiple (liberal) nurses I’ve spoken with saying this is the only answer.

They just don’t get it.


5 posted on 05/23/2014 8:11:01 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The only solution is to repeal and NOT replace. Let private enterprise do its thing.


6 posted on 05/23/2014 8:12:47 AM PDT by grania
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To: babble-on

RE: What is the Conservative alternative? No one will say.

Here’s one:

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/rightnow?ContentRecord_id=7ef8f0d5-bf56-4ea3-80fe-7f86765a00ca&ContentType_id=b4672ca4-3752-49c3-bffc-fd099b51c966

BURR, COBURN, HATCH UNVEIL OBAMACARE REPLACEMENT PLAN
Senate Republican Proposal Lowers Health Care Costs, Increases Access to Affordable, Quality Care Without Government-Centered Regulations, Mandates

Here’s another:

http://www.redstate.com/2014/04/02/yes-theres-republican-health-care-plan-bobby-jindals-plan/

Yes, There’s A Republican Health Care Plan: Bobby Jindal’s Plan

What the GOP needs to do is COALESCE around a plan and present it as a UNIFIED proposal to America ( much like Newt Ginrich’s CONTRACT WITH AMERICA in 1994 ).


7 posted on 05/23/2014 8:15:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: grania

RE: Let private enterprise do its thing.

THAT would be replacement.

If you want a pure private enterprise system, you have to replace MEDICAID.


8 posted on 05/23/2014 8:16:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Obamacare Can’t Be Fixed: Tweaking won’t help; the only solution is to repeal and replace.

Why replace? The healthcare industry, while not perfect, was certainly much better before the kenyan decided to "fix" it. Which reminds me - we need to repeal 0bama along with his 'care'.

9 posted on 05/23/2014 8:16:33 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?" - Patrick Henry, 1775)
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To: SeekAndFind

We had a chance to defund it and republicrat ‘leaders” Shook in there Italian made shoes and started crying.


10 posted on 05/23/2014 8:16:48 AM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: Jagdgewehr

RE: Just repeal the damn thing, keep the government out of it and let me handle my own health care.

Well, that itself is a REPLACEMENT.

If you want to keep government out of it, you have to do away with MEDICAID. How is that not a replacement?


11 posted on 05/23/2014 8:17:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Obamacare Can’t Be Fixed: Tweaking won’t help; the only solution is to repeal and replace.

Fixed for the benefit of the good people at NRO.

12 posted on 05/23/2014 8:17:43 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

RE: Why replace?

Don’t we want healthcare to be REALLY affordable for more people?

It wasn’t under the pre-Obamacare status quo.


13 posted on 05/23/2014 8:18:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Colonel_Flagg

RE: Fixed for the benefit of the good people at NRO.

I don’t think you can win this election by simply saying we want to go back to the way things were pre-Obamacare.


14 posted on 05/23/2014 8:19:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Jagdgewehr

Precisely! There should no talk of “replace” in any area. Simply repeal and allow the free market to adjust.

The real problem we have seen is the increase of “customers” that —on entry to the healthcare market— cannot afford the costs (can you say illegal immigrants?). That is what overwhelmed the system and turned our Dhimmicrat-run government into “concern trolls”.

At some point, the individual can make a conscious decision to take advantage of the medical market place (or not). Cripes, G. Washington lived until 67 years-old, if he had the opportunity to access medical technology that would have added 5 more years to his life, he damn-sure would have paid for it out of his own pocket (my grandchildren are worth every penny I pay for health-care!)

Currently, our government champions “choice” yet routinely denies it in the marketplace.


15 posted on 05/23/2014 8:20:36 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The Acronym explains the science.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The free market is a bad idea? I don’t think so.

The Democrats have Obamacare and the VA as their examples of government run health care. People want to make their own decisions and should be given the opportunity. There has never been a better time to run on a liberty-based platform in my opinion.


16 posted on 05/23/2014 8:21:01 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: SeekAndFind
you have to do away with MEDICAID

Good

17 posted on 05/23/2014 8:23:35 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: babble-on
What is the Conservative alternative? No one will say.

Conservative Alternative = Get the ferel government out of healthcare

18 posted on 05/23/2014 8:25:06 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The ¬ďfourth estate¬Ēhas morphed into a 5th column)
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To: SeekAndFind

So the Conservative idea is a heavy government subsidies, mandatory insurance coverage, no exclusions for pre-existing conditions, and keeping kids on their parents’ insurance through age 25.

Why does that sound vaguely familiar?


19 posted on 05/23/2014 8:25:43 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Iron Munro

derp


20 posted on 05/23/2014 8:26:06 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind
RE: Why replace?
Don’t we want healthcare to be REALLY affordable for more people?
It wasn’t under the pre-Obamacare status quo.

The costs have quadrupled under the 0bamacare, so what in hell makes you think that the morons in DC can come up with anything that will make it REALLY affordable for more people?

The real fact is that the majority of those in congress don't really care one way or the other. They only care about how it affects them economically or politically - who will give them kickbacks and what unions can corral votes to keep them on the gravy train.

Meanwhile they have their separate system than ensure that they have no death panels in THEIR future.

21 posted on 05/23/2014 8:28:10 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?" - Patrick Henry, 1775)
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To: babble-on

The free market, for starters. Vouchers for veterans too.


22 posted on 05/23/2014 8:29:58 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind
the only solution is to repeal and replace.

No. The only solution is to repeal completely, including the damned Clinton and Bush elements leading up to it.

23 posted on 05/23/2014 8:30:31 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Agreed.


24 posted on 05/23/2014 8:30:50 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

RE: The costs have quadrupled under the 0bamacare, so what in hell makes you think that the morons in DC can come up with anything that will make it REALLY affordable for more people?

Here’s my take on it — if you want to convince the majority of Americans, simply saying you are going to repeal Obamacare and go back to the status quo WILL NOT WORK.

The fact is, most Americans DO WANT healthcare reform ( and by reform, they mean a change in what what used to be the status quo ).

Therefore, you have to REPEAL Obamacare, but you can’t simply stop at that.

So, REPEAL and REPLACE is the right way to go, not simply REPEAL.


25 posted on 05/23/2014 8:31:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Cicero

RE: No. The only solution is to repeal completely,

Disagree. REPEAL *AND* REPLACE is the better solution.


26 posted on 05/23/2014 8:32:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Jagdgewehr

RE: you have to do away with MEDICAID

Good

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Well, that is REPEAL *AND* REPLACE right there.


27 posted on 05/23/2014 8:33:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not worried about the Dems .... I’m worried about Republicans not having the courage to REPEAL. I’m very worried about what the ‘replacement’ will be for Obamadeathcare .... if it’s anything politicians have cooked up, it may not be much of an improvement.


28 posted on 05/23/2014 8:33:27 AM PDT by Qiviut (Obama: A Caesar at home & a Chamberlain abroad, dividing the country & uniting the world against us.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'd much rather see a situation where the norm for those who don't have doctors or insurance is private clinics. It would lead to better health care and inexpensive and natural treatments for everyone.

NOBODY should get medical treatment for free. The exception would be if charitable groups wanted to step in.

Medicare part A for Seniors who are already eligible is a different situation. It's the insurance we were forced to pay for...hospital coverage over the age of 65. FWIW, I'm not being a hypocrite; I didn't sign up for part B or the pharmaceutical program.

29 posted on 05/23/2014 8:34:35 AM PDT by grania
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, I would argue it is REPEAL *AND* RETURN...but, okay.


30 posted on 05/23/2014 8:35:52 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: grania

RE: I’d much rather see a situation where the norm for those who don’t have doctors or insurance is private clinics. It would lead to better health care and inexpensive and natural treatments for everyone.

Well, if your preference were to be the norm, that in and of itself is not only a REPEAL of Obamacare, it is a REPLACEMENT of the healthcare system even PRIOR to Obamacare.


31 posted on 05/23/2014 8:36:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Jagdgewehr

RE: Well, I would argue it is REPEAL *AND* RETURN...but, okay.

A RETURN to Medicaid the way it was on its way to bankruptcy?

Sorry, no dice.


32 posted on 05/23/2014 8:37:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Qiviut

RE: . if it’s anything politicians have cooked up, it may not be much of an improvement.

I think the Coburn, Burr, Hatch plan would be a good proposal to consider.


33 posted on 05/23/2014 8:38:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
It wasn’t under the pre-Obamacare status quo.

And now it is even less affordable unless you are sucking the government teat.

"You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat"

-- Claire Wolfe


34 posted on 05/23/2014 8:38:27 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The ¬ďfourth estate¬Ēhas morphed into a 5th column)
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To: SeekAndFind
NO plan written in secret, forced into law without debate and foisted on American citizens with a complete absence of accountability is going to be ‘fixable’!

In any form it takes (either now or in the future) it will always BE a fraud on the public!

35 posted on 05/23/2014 8:39:37 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: onedoug

So if people don’t buy insurance, and then get sick, what happens? Under a free market system, they spend what money they have on their coverage and then when that’s gone, they die. That’s a coherent and rational plan, but not one that will win a lot of votes in a democratic republic.


36 posted on 05/23/2014 8:39:38 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind
Not what I meant.

Have it your way.

37 posted on 05/23/2014 8:39:39 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: Jagdgewehr

So exactly what does RETURN mean to you?

To me, It meant simply returning to the way it was WITHOUT any change.

If this is not what you meant, what is it then?


38 posted on 05/23/2014 8:43:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think the Coburn, Burr, Hatch plan would be a good proposal to consider.

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Ok .... I was being a little too general in my condemnation :-) I’ve heard of their proposal, just haven’t paid enough attention to it so I need to do some homework.


39 posted on 05/23/2014 8:46:59 AM PDT by Qiviut (Obama: A Caesar at home & a Chamberlain abroad, dividing the country & uniting the world against us.)
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To: babble-on

I don’t recall many if any reports of anyone dying under the system preceding obamacare. Not to say it was perfect, but it was a hell of a lot better than this.

Just wait until the current VA becomes the mainstream.

I’d rather have a foundation to build upon than have to come from the ground up, which this islamocommunist concoction will have us wishing we’d avoided it.

There may well be no coming back


40 posted on 05/23/2014 8:48:18 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug
"The free market, for starters."

Letting the mechanisms of a free market work in health care services would be the ideal solution. However given that a free market place does not (has never?) exist(ed) in health care, all regulation, licensure, accreditation, and insurance programs (Employer,Medicare,Medicaid) would have to be eliminated so that a free market could exist. Me thinks most voters would not buy into that.

41 posted on 05/23/2014 8:48:54 AM PDT by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: SeekAndFind
A RETURN to Medicaid the way it was on its way to bankruptcy?

I am amazed at people who think the government can make healthcare less expensive by creating a gigantic, incompetent, bumbling government bureaucracy that costs trillions of dollars to operate, staffing it with more inefficient government workers, inserting the bureaucracy and its complex and costly rules and regulations into the healthcare system between the healthcare providers and the patient, and dictating what the healthcare provider can and cannot do, and what level and kind of healthcare the patient can have.


42 posted on 05/23/2014 8:51:41 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The ¬ďfourth estate¬Ēhas morphed into a 5th column)
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To: Qiviut

Here is a detailed summary of their proposal for you to consider AND critique:

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=871b0ef8-7705-4f72-aef2-e81d01b9c009


43 posted on 05/23/2014 8:54:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: onedoug

The system that preceded Obamacare had little resemblance to a free market! There is/was government involvement in every phase of the enterprise.

The pricing of medical services is based off of Medicare reimbursement schedules, even for non-Medicare patients.

The government subsidizes businesses providing insurance to their workers by making the expense tax-deductible, but does not allow private citizens to deduct the cost of their insurance, skewing the system to employer-provided insurance.

When a person has spent his money, in the current and pre-Obamacare system, he goes on Medicaid, the Federal healthcare plan for the poor. Presumably a “free-market” system that “gets the Ferel (sic) government out of healthcare” would do away with Medicaid.

It goes on and on. The free-market hasn’t obtained in healthcare since the invention of the polio vaccine


44 posted on 05/23/2014 8:55:01 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind
It's not a replacement by the federal government, as the federal government wouldn't be providing the clinics. It's what would happen, I suspect, if Obamacare were abolished.

Most drug stores and retail that provide prescriptions seem prepped for it with some of the services they already offer. Hospitals such as Cleveland Clinic are also getting into providing relatively reasonably priced testing, vaccination etc at convenient locations.

If the 'pubs were really on our side, and not in the business of finding a way for their corporate sponsors to profit, they'd be say "Repeal and DON'T replace" Obamacare.

45 posted on 05/23/2014 8:57:32 AM PDT by grania
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To: SeekAndFind
"Obamacare Can’t Be Fixed: Tweaking won’t help; the only solution is to repeal. and replace

there....fixed
46 posted on 05/23/2014 9:00:45 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama ----> Fredo smart)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tremendously unpopular say what deadly is more like it.


47 posted on 05/23/2014 9:16:59 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SeekAndFind
End all the government welfare bureaucracies, subsidies, safety net programs, Alphabet agencies, etc. etc. etc. and return all that belongs to the private sector, free markets, freedom of choices and the liberties of the individual. Return to a federal government that exists under the strict constraints of the U.S Constitution. Certainly, I could go on.

Return or replace...the tedious realm of conceptual semantics.

48 posted on 05/23/2014 9:19:35 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: SeekAndFind
So when have the Democrat's successfully fixed anything ? Detroit - Still broke. War on Poverty - Number of poor increasing.

It takes a village to destroy a village.

49 posted on 05/23/2014 9:29:40 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the overlords do not want it for themselves then we should not be forced to use obamacare. Vote all those that voted for it and those RINOs who support it OUT!


50 posted on 05/23/2014 11:04:46 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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