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More frugal U.S. military forgoes Europe golf course, skeet range
Reuters ^ | May 23, 2014 | By Phil Stewart

Posted on 05/23/2014 4:43:01 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The U.S. military is shedding European real estate including a golf course, skeet range and hotel, as well as facilities like a munitions storage facility, as it looks to save cash during a U.S. budget crunch.

... The decision to turn the 21 sites to Germany, Italy, Denmark, Greece, the United Kingdom and Belgium would save about $60 million a year. Still, it is only the first step in reductions that will be ordered through an ongoing look at America's military footprint in Europe, called the European Infrastructure Consolidation review.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: military

1 posted on 05/23/2014 4:43:01 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Air Force hardest hit.


2 posted on 05/23/2014 4:44:20 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Gotta scrape up some money for Pvt. Manning’s sex change operations.


3 posted on 05/23/2014 4:49:28 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Oldeconomybuyer

Too bad. I’ve had great visits at MWR locations in Germany. And the Wiesbaden golf course is a really fine benefit for the troops. And don’t think it was free. We paid. In fact, I paid more at Wiesbaden than I did at our local course yesterday for 18 and a cart. If we’re departing a community, then there’s no justification for holding onto most property.


4 posted on 05/23/2014 4:52:20 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; skinkinthegrass; onedoug; 2ndDivisionVet; ConorMacNessa; zot; NKP_Vet; PROCON; ...

We’ve been ‘shedding real estate’ in Germany since 1993 when the post Cold War reductions began. the Army has only 2 combat brigades left in Europe, one in Germany and one in Italy.


5 posted on 05/23/2014 4:53:09 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: xzins

The Wiesbaden course is probably still there as USAREUR HQ completed its move from Heidelberg to Wiesbaden last fall. Everything in Heidelberg has been returned to the Germans.


6 posted on 05/23/2014 4:54:40 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: All
FULL LIST

http://www.stripes.com/news/dod-to-save-60m-by-dropping-recreational-excess-sites-in-europe-1.284959

7 posted on 05/23/2014 4:55:34 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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LINK: http://www.stripes.com/news/dod-to-save-60m-by-dropping-recreational-excess-sites-in-europe-1.284959


8 posted on 05/23/2014 4:56:15 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I have an idea:

Close most bases and let havoc reign in Erwope.

We can then lend equipment and our services on lease....

Worked before...


9 posted on 05/23/2014 4:56:18 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I lived in Fintherlandstrasse which is not really in Weisbaden, it’s across the river in Mainz. Nice apartments built by the French when they were the occupying force after the war. Schwartzkopf was my neighbor


10 posted on 05/23/2014 5:08:11 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: GreyFriar

I hadn’t heard that USAREUR was moving to Wiesbaden. I think I’d read somewhere that Heidelberg was closing. I’d always assumed they’d consolidate most everything around Ramstein or Grafenwoehr. Last I left in 2000 (and retired in 2002), Wiesbaden’s air strip was able to handle only a limited variety of aircraft.


11 posted on 05/23/2014 5:10:35 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So when are we going to start selling our US federal lands and resources to their rightful owners - the Russians and Chinese?


12 posted on 05/23/2014 5:11:47 PM PDT by Gritty (Climate hysterics shriek on. Loud and apocalyptic is the only setting on the machine.-Mark Steyn)
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To: xzins

Here is an 2012 article about the move plan.

http://www.stripes.com/news/wiesbaden-ready-for-influx-of-troops-usareur-headquarters-move-1.198786

and the official USAREUR web page: http://www.eur.army.mil/

and another article: http://www.eur.army.mil/relocation/

and on Wiesbaden: http://www.wiesbaden.army.mil/sites/directorates/transformation.asp


13 posted on 05/23/2014 5:25:20 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Vendome

Ven,

We’ve already closed 85-90% of our Cold War bases in Germany, Belgium, Holland, Britain and Italy.

All of the kasernes I was stationed at during my 7 years in 3rd Armored division have been closed since 2006. and 2 of them were among the last to close.


14 posted on 05/23/2014 5:28:24 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks GreyFriar. It’s a good area, close to some of my favorite places: Rudesheim is a great little town worthy of visiting; and the Abby of St Hildegaard is right down the river. The fussganger zone in Wiesbaden is very good, too, as is the palace. There are some great river fortresses up and down the Rhine near Wiesbaden, and I think there’s a floating fireworks display down the river between some of those old fortresses late in the year.


15 posted on 05/23/2014 5:34:10 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I made a trip to Heidelberg in August, 2008 and visited the posts I had been assigned to and all were closed down.


16 posted on 05/23/2014 5:37:41 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Still got 50,000+ people there.

Leave, let em destabilize, sell em what they need to restore order.

Europeans are douche bags and don’t mind objectifying us for their needs/wants.

Fk em. I don’t wanna be their outsourced ass kickers if we can’t get any more respect than what we get.

I say we prove to the world our values and their worth.


17 posted on 05/23/2014 5:52:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome
I have an idea: Close most bases and let havoc reign in Europe. We can then lend equipment and our services on lease.... Worked before...

Until certain countries declared war on us!

18 posted on 05/23/2014 5:59:09 PM PDT by Does so ("Miranda Warnings" and loss of "Common-Law Marriage" = 2 Big Mistakes...)
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To: GreyFriar

Reduce the Armed Forces to spend trillions on preferred projects.


19 posted on 05/23/2014 6:05:46 PM PDT by zot
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To: Does so

How’d that work out for any of em?

All countries who have ever engaged in war against us, have sent more men than returned.

We don’t like being messed with.


20 posted on 05/23/2014 6:05:52 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: GreyFriar; xzins

I was part of V Corps Artillery (1978-81) and stationed at Camp Pieri in Wiesbaden. It was just down the hill from the article’s noted golf course, Rheinblick. I wish I had been into golf then like I am now because I know I really missed out in not have taken advantage of that course back then.

The move of USAREUR from Heidelberg to Wiesbaden is everything old becoming new again. When I arrived in Wiesbaden, it hadn’t been that long since USAFE had decamped to Ramstein AB, leaving the USAF Hospital and Lindsey AS as the main remaining facilities with USAF personnel. There was one other small kaserne near the Rhein River that was hush-hush USAF photo interp. The USAF also left some great housing with O-5s and O-6s in houses that previously only had general officers as residents.

Brigade 76 had taken over the local air base of Berlin Airlift fame. The brigade morphed into the 4th Brigade of the 4th Infantry Division and was later folded into the 8th Infantry Division.

Your mention of Schwarzkopf as the Mainz Military Community Commander means we were there at the same time. He definitely had a reputation since it carried across the river, too.


21 posted on 05/23/2014 6:53:41 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for sharing your insights, dear GreyFriar!


22 posted on 05/23/2014 8:14:42 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Zweibrucken AB, 79-83 and Tempelhof Central Airport 84-88. Both long closed.


23 posted on 05/24/2014 6:06:28 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Tijeras_Slim
They had plenty of money to repave a parking lot at our Commissary, that did NOT need repaving. Install in $7K speed bumps in 5 mph parking lots of Commissary and Exchange. Those at the gates I can buy, but not the parking lots. No where else on the base got them. And they installed several non essential monuments. Millington, TN BUPERS NAVY Base.

I drive a Corolla, no sooner than my front wheels clear, then the back ones are ready to roller over this bone jarring sucker, even creeping over it.

24 posted on 05/24/2014 7:11:43 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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