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Gun used in slaying of girl, 14, touched many hands
Chicago Tribune ^ | 24 may 2014 | Jeremy Gorner, Steve Schmadeke and Steve Mills

Posted on 05/24/2014 4:14:24 AM PDT by rellimpank

Before the 14-year-old girl allegedly fired the shot that killed Endia Martin, the .38-caliber revolver had touched many hands.

A south suburban gun shop known for selling weapons later used in crimes in Chicago. A Hyde Park man whose mother did not want the gun in their home. A former Atlanta man now living on the South Side who would appear to be a middleman of sorts in the gun's journey. The paralyzed uncle of the 14-year-old girl who, prosecutors charged, rode a bus to give the gun to his niece before the fatal confrontation. Someone at the 14-year-old's side at the confrontation who was savvy enough to quickly fix a malfunctioning gun.

And then the suspect, the honors student who authorities say fatally shot 14-year-old Endia for the most mundane of reasons — a fight over a boy.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; chicago; rkba
--more of the usual,,--the gun,the gun, the gun----
1 posted on 05/24/2014 4:14:24 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank
Don't touch that !

You don't know where it's been.

2 posted on 05/24/2014 4:19:35 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf

PS .. I’ve always had a healthy awareness of used guns ... just because.


3 posted on 05/24/2014 4:20:53 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: rellimpank

Chicago does not have a gun problem it has a Democratic party voter problem. Its not like white devil suburban dwelling white privileged oppressors are riding into town to shoot up these vibrant neighborhoods or anything. But there in the Tribune fantasy land where PC lies rule the day a gun now has a soul an evil soul created on an island by an evil white privileged scientist who hates women and minorities.


4 posted on 05/24/2014 4:24:06 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: rellimpank
You know the reasoning - "If the gun hadn't been so readily available, she'd be alive today!"

Emotion without a hint of reason ....

5 posted on 05/24/2014 4:24:19 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: rellimpank

The problem is gangsta rap music which glorifies violence in all these situations.

None dare say it on the evening news.


6 posted on 05/24/2014 4:26:25 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: rellimpank

Thus proving the futility of gun restrictions.

Any man too dangerous to own a gun is a man too dangerous to walk the streets.


7 posted on 05/24/2014 4:29:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: rellimpank

—and from the Milwaukee J-S-

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/innocents-under-fire-9-kids-lost-to-errant-bullets-b99276237z1-260502581.html


8 posted on 05/24/2014 4:29:49 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

“Prosecutors said the confrontation drew close to 20 people — at least some of them armed with a lock on a chain, a metal pipe and a bottle...”

A crowd of adults gathers, by pre-arrangement, to watch one 14 year old girl kill another 14 year old girl?

I can’t believe this happened in a modern American city. And I sympathize with the prosecutor trying to hold them all accountable, not sure it’s entirely legally valid for many of them, but still. The imbecile uncle yes, maybe the one woman mentioned, probably.

What is wrong with what these people did far surpasses any illegality. It seems they are completely morally depraved.

Meanwhile this drive-by media outlet runs a feature story on the history of the weapon.

This is all so demeaning.

Obama’s America.


9 posted on 05/24/2014 4:30:04 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: rellimpank

This all the gun’s fault.


10 posted on 05/24/2014 4:30:08 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: rellimpank

A culture based on emotional impulse rather than reason and respect.


11 posted on 05/24/2014 4:37:36 AM PDT by gasport (Will operate for food.)
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To: rellimpank

An “honor student” shoots her rival.

PAINFULLY PREDICTABLE?????

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllly?


12 posted on 05/24/2014 4:42:07 AM PDT by Flintlock (islam is a LIE, mohammmud a CRIMINAL, sharia is POISON!)
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To: rellimpank

Responsibility has been erased from the individual, they are now the “victims” of a non thinking object that somehow caused injury and death and most impotantly fuels an agenda


13 posted on 05/24/2014 4:47:03 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Ken522

If the original buyer’s mother wasn’t a hoplophobe, she would be alive today!


14 posted on 05/24/2014 4:50:56 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: rellimpank

From the article: “According to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the average time between the legal purchase of a gun and its use in a crime is nearly 13 years”

So just how does a waiting period reduce crime?


15 posted on 05/24/2014 4:55:34 AM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: rellimpank

Did they also report that the gun was stolen at some point and entered the criminal pipeline?


16 posted on 05/24/2014 5:03:16 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: rellimpank

Savage tribes need a strong, all poweful king.


17 posted on 05/24/2014 5:08:45 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama - "I will stand with the Muslims")
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To: rellimpank

And then the suspect, the honors student who authorities say fatally shot 14-year-old Endia for the most mundane of reasons — a fight over a boy.

I wonder if this person could have achieved honors status in, say, 1955? Somehow I doubt it.


18 posted on 05/24/2014 5:11:21 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: jocon307

—you expressed it so well I quoted you (anonymously) in the comments to the original article-—


19 posted on 05/24/2014 5:19:58 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: knarf

Get your finger out of your ear, you don't know where that
fingers been!

20 posted on 05/24/2014 5:22:22 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Ken522
You know the reasoning - "If the gun hadn't been so readily available, she'd be alive today!"

And if we just outlaw drugs, there will be no more drugs for addicts to feed their habits with.

21 posted on 05/24/2014 5:50:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: rellimpank
It take an incomprehensible moron to attempt to make an argument to cast the responsibility for an act of evil upon an inanimate object.

Or they are simply another component of the very same evil.

Pick one or both truths.

22 posted on 05/24/2014 6:11:24 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: rellimpank
This breaking news article is dated May 2nd. This is at least the second time I have seen it.

I know the owner of Chuck's Guns. He's a very nice and conscientious man. They operate strictly by the book and if they didn't, because of all of the scrutiny they get, they would have been shut down long ago.
They are the only gun store in the near south suburbs that sells handguns, or probably any guns for that matter. They sell a lot of guns to police, security guards and honest citizens. It's a very busy shop and they are inundated with people trying to be deceitful. I have seen more people kicked out of the shop than actual purchases.
One of the activists the article is referring to is Father Michael Pfleger. During one of the demonstrations against the store he urged his follower to drag out the store owner and snuff him out.
23 posted on 05/24/2014 6:38:25 AM PDT by mikeandike
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To: F15Eagle
The problem is gangsta rap music which glorifies violence in all these situations.

None dare say it on the evening news.

White kids from the 'burbs listen to just as much gangsta rap as black kids from the 'hood do. No, the problem is that blacks tend to be hyper-aggressive and have poor impulse control.

Blaming music is just as useless as blaming guns. It ignores the real problem.

24 posted on 05/24/2014 6:42:53 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: MrBambaLaMamba
Savage tribes need a strong, all powerful king.

Obama?

/s

25 posted on 05/24/2014 7:07:39 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: jocon307

Parts of Chicago, many parts in fact, are quite mideval.


26 posted on 05/24/2014 7:13:39 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: mikeandike

Father Flaky should have been defrocked decades ago.


27 posted on 05/24/2014 7:15:01 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: jocon307
I can’t believe this happened in a modern American city

Where have you been living for the last 40-50 years, on some tiny mid-Pacific island with no means of communication with the rest of the world? Similar "gang related" homicides take place in virtually every large "modern American" city several times a month, a few less in some cities, a few more in others. As a general rule, the more draconian the city's gun laws the more frequently these things happen.

Of course there are exceptions to that general rule. For example, several southern cities which don't have strict gun laws, Atlanta, Houston, Miami, etc, also have above average murder rates. However, in almost all cities of all sizes racial demographics play by far the most significant role in the homicide stats as well as in overall crime stats, not the availability of guns or lack of same.

Call me a racist if you want for introducing the facts of the matter into the discussion. But never the less the truth in re the matter is the truth, and politically correct denial can't change those very evident facts.

28 posted on 05/24/2014 7:30:27 AM PDT by epow ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." Patrick Henry)
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To: mikeandike
One of the activists the article is referring to is Father Michael Pfleger. During one of the demonstrations against the store he urged his follower to drag out the store owner and snuff him out.

Wow, how Christ-like of him! I wonder what his parishioners think about him urging a violent mob to savagely murder an innocent human being for simply performing a completely legal commercial act?

Begs the question, what kind of America are we now living in? Certainly not the kind I was born into 77 years ago, that's for sure.

29 posted on 05/24/2014 7:48:25 AM PDT by epow ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." Patrick Henry)
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To: jocon307

“they are completely morally depraved.”

They’re depraved on account they’re deprived.


30 posted on 05/24/2014 7:49:34 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: epow
Wow, how Christ-like of him! I wonder what his parishioners think about him urging a violent mob to savagely murder an innocent human being for simply performing a completely legal commercial act?

Since his parishioners blame the gun and not the gangbanger holding the gun, I doubt it even crosses their minds. You're quite right about the 77 years.

Even Al Capone's Chicago wasn't nearly as violent as Rahm Emanuel's Chicago.


31 posted on 05/24/2014 8:35:39 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Drew68

It further enhances their pent-up anger. It’s not off the mark at all.


32 posted on 05/24/2014 8:44:53 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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But I’ll clarify it to say, it’s definitely more of a cultural problem in that area. Culture, peer influence, victim mentality, etc.


33 posted on 05/24/2014 8:46:41 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: rellimpank

Thanks, that’s very kind of you to say.


34 posted on 05/24/2014 9:21:27 PM PDT by jocon307
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