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Worried About Floods Due to Rising Sea Level? Forget It: Not Happening
Powerlineblog ^ | John Hinderaker

Posted on 05/24/2014 4:54:24 AM PDT by BonRad

Posted on May 22, 2014

The global warming hysterics’ favorite fantasy these days is that Antarctic ice will melt due to hypothetical warming, leading to catastrophic flooding as the level of the oceans rises. It is commonly asserted that sea level will rise at least three feet by the end of the century. Put aside whether the Earth actually will warm and whether a three-foot rise would really be catastrophic. Put aside, too, any doubts about how much melting will occur even if the Earth warms by a few degrees, given that the average annual high temperature in Antarctica is -49 F. Does the reality of melting ice bear any mathematical relation to the oft-predicted flood scenario?

A reader who is familiar with geometry and arithmetic–which means he is not a reporter–decided to test the hysterical claim. I will reproduce his email in full:

(Excerpt) Read more at powerlineblog.com ...


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excellent answer to latest hysterics from NY Times & NBC Nightly News
1 posted on 05/24/2014 4:54:24 AM PDT by BonRad
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To: BonRad

But the liberals have told us that we need to worry about the great flood happening.............

Liberals would have you believe that the major issues facing us are global warming, homosexual marriage, traitors in military prison getting sex change operations, and the Koch brothers spending money in politics.


2 posted on 05/24/2014 5:10:15 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: BonRad

There is another factor that affects global warming.

It is not man made burning of carbon fuel, but the increased presence of the Holy Spirit. For the same reason that a prayer to an evil person is like placing hot coals upon their heads and the weeds will be burned in the tribulation times, the earth is warming up.

The earth is being purified.


3 posted on 05/24/2014 5:10:23 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: BonRad
Gee, you really mean we are all not going to drown by 2050?

Here is one sure sign of why this stuff is all nonsense: the government is not issuing 100 year bonds, yet.

4 posted on 05/24/2014 5:14:01 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: BonRad
So far, we've spent a bazillion dollars on this climate fiasco....and nothing has changed. The water laps, the sun rises, the moon pulls and tugs, it's cold in the winter and warm in the summer.

The only change is what's left in your wallet.

5 posted on 05/24/2014 5:14:27 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: BonRad

1st qtr, 2014 U.S. economic growth was at .01% indicating that the economic goal of “Sustainable Development/Agenda 21” as adopted by the U.S. has largely been met.This also fulfills the machevellian wish of Maurice Strong, UN Chairman of UNCED aka The Rio Earth Summit where in 1992 he articulated the veiled intentions of the “Plan for the 21st Century- Sustainable Development/Agenda 21” by saying this in regard to our “unsustainable” high consumption of natural resources which is, according to them destroying the Earth; “...isen’t it our responsibility to bring about the collapse of the industrialized countries?” Now, to become truly as “Sustainable” as Bangladesh is, more vital work is quickly needed to further collapse and “Degrow” the economy. This will be accomplished by more draconian restrictions on business and energy use which will be mandated by arbitrary regulations spawned by the bogus hype to save the planet from the dread effects of antropogenic Global Warming aka Climate Change aka Climate Disruption.


6 posted on 05/24/2014 5:21:12 AM PDT by Captain7seas
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To: BonRad

a Freeper turned me on to this guy - and I watch every morning since...over a year now...

https://www.youtube.com/user/Suspicious0bservers

Outstanding weather intelligence!


7 posted on 05/24/2014 5:29:56 AM PDT by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: BonRad

Do any of these calculations figure in the amount of evaporation, all over the seas and oceans, that the rise in temperature would produce?


8 posted on 05/24/2014 5:47:21 AM PDT by djpg
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To: djpg

They figure in exactly what they want to figure in to produce the “desired” results which assure more funding for them in the future.


9 posted on 05/24/2014 5:50:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: BonRad
One can easily prove the same thing without using any math.

Place some ice cubes in a drinking glass.

Then fill the glass almost full with water.

Mark the water level with some kind of tape on the outside of the glass.

Allow the ice cubes to melt.

Observe the new water level.

Class dismissed.

10 posted on 05/24/2014 6:10:14 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: BonRad
When the value of homes in wealthy coastal [liberal] communities starts to dramatically decline because of fears of sea level rise, I might begin to take it seriously.

From one of the comments at the article.

11 posted on 05/24/2014 6:23:29 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: BonRad

The Bible can tells us it is not happening since the beginning of time.

Psalm 104: 5-9

He set the earth on its foundations;
it can never be moved.
6 You covered it with the watery depths as with a garment;
the waters stood above the mountains.
7 But at your rebuke the waters fled,
at the sound of your thunder they took to flight;
8 they flowed over the mountains,
they went down into the valleys,
to the place you assigned for them.
9 You set a boundary they cannot cross;
never again will they cover the earth.


12 posted on 05/24/2014 6:25:33 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: BonRad
Consider that Al Gore, a supposed true believer in global warming, recently purchased a $9 million seaside mansion in California. However, his Nobel prize winning movie and his public harangues about melting ice caps show that the California coast would soon be inundated by rising sea levels. From this one could conclude that either Al Gore is hopelessly stupid and will soon have his mansion under water OR Gore is a charlatan pushing his global warming fraud in order to make the millions he needed to buy a $9 million seaside mansion in California.
13 posted on 05/24/2014 7:01:41 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: stars & stripes forever

Forget what Al Gore,Barack Obama,etc.,etc. are telling us about climate change. Someone else is in charge of all this,& all the money spent on changing it is a big waste of taxpayer funds. Stop & think where this money is going.


14 posted on 05/24/2014 7:08:56 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Buffalo Head

The article speaks about glaciers on dry land melting and draining into the ocean, not floating ice.

Class dismissed.


15 posted on 05/24/2014 7:14:20 AM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: BonRad

OK so sounds right
But now let be fair and use the same math for a different test...The biblical flood..how much water needed. Where did it come from where did it go?

Flooding can can be temporary and localize..because flooded normal are top down.not bottom.up


16 posted on 05/24/2014 7:44:36 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more.)
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To: BonRad

The climate on earth has been in flux since before the beginning of life. It is arrogant conceit to think man capable of altering natural change and a reprehensible political ploy.


17 posted on 05/24/2014 8:26:31 AM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: BonRad; All

This falacious sea ice argument can be dispelled this way.
The melting of sea ice which is what they’re talking about can be compared to a 12 oz glass filled with 5 oz of water and 5 ounces of ice. There is still only 10oz of liquid left once the ice is melted. There is no increase in the volume of liquid.


18 posted on 05/24/2014 8:32:04 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: oldtech

http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/05/03/stunning-pictures-al-gores-new-9-million-mansion-media-totally-ignore


19 posted on 05/24/2014 8:37:24 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: mosesdapoet
mosesdapoet said: "There is no increase in the volume of liquid."

Check your assumptions.

There is an old saying that "a pint's a pound the world around". This is describing that the volume of a pint, 16 ounces volume, is equal to 16 ounces of weight. This applies to water. A pint of mercury would weigh considerably more than a pound.

A pint of ice weighs LESS than a pint of water because the water which was frozen expanded, thus requiring less than a pint of water to begin with.

If you recognize the ambiguity in referring to an ounce of anything other than water, then you will see that the situation is more complicated than you suggest.

20 posted on 05/24/2014 11:15:32 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: eartrumpet

Maybe, but I believe that I’ve read that the bulk of ice in the Antarctic is floating. Not certain how to verify or refute that from a reliable source.


21 posted on 05/24/2014 1:02:44 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You forgot to mention Kim Kardashian’s wedding in Paris.

It is in Paris, France and not Paris, GA.


22 posted on 05/24/2014 3:02:10 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: tophat9000

Its been a while so I can’t give links etc but Biblical Flood came from great standing heavily moisture laden stratospheric somethingorother...also to explain great size of creatures and super-flourishing plant growth of Pre Flood Times.

This somethingorother let loose to drown the world. Of course God too gave us the rainbow as sign of a promise He would never so drown the world again.


23 posted on 05/25/2014 6:33:35 AM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks BonRad.


24 posted on 05/25/2014 9:33:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BonRad
This compares to the required 930 cubic miles of water per year for 86 years to get to a sea level rise of 3 feet at the end of the century — a factor of almost 7 times what is said to be observed. Stated differently, at the new alarmingly increased level of ice melt it would take about 600 years for the purported 3 foot rise in sea level to obtain; the implied rise is 6 one-hundreds of an inch per year, or about 5.25 inches by the year 2100.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but in the long years of my life I've only met one reporter who could do math beyond high school algebra ...

25 posted on 05/25/2014 1:56:00 PM PDT by GOPJ (Someone explain why {the MSM} uses the term liberal to describe totalitarian sociopaths? BruceinOz)
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To: William Tell

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Worried About Floods Due to Rising Sea Level? Forget It: Not Happening, William Tell wrote:
mosesdapoet said: “There is no increase in the volume of liquid.”
Check your assumptions.

There is an old saying that “a pint’s a pound the world around”. This is describing that the volume of a pint, 16 ounces volume, is equal to 16 ounces of weight. This applies to water. A pint of mercury would weigh considerably more than a pound

We’re talking a liquid measurement in weight not the volume size of a pint glass.


26 posted on 05/26/2014 3:26:19 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: mosesdapoet
mosesdapoet said: "We’re talking a liquid measurement in weight not the volume size of a pint glass."

"Liquid measurement" refers to volume. The added "in weight" makes your reference quite ambiguous.

To use your original example, if I start out with 5 ounces of LIQUID water and 5 ounces of ICE (non-liquid water), then I will most assuredly have MORE liquid after the melting than before. The additional amount will depend upon whether the "5 ounces of ice" refers to the volume of the ice or the weight of the ice.

Five ounces of water by volume is roughly the same as five ounces of water by weight. Five ounces of ice by volume, since water expands when freezing, is less than five ounces of ice by weight because ice is less dense than water.

27 posted on 05/26/2014 9:17:56 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: mosesdapoet
I think I see how to get us both on the same page.

When you say, "There is no increase in the volume of liquid", you are referring to the indicated level of the liquid in the 12 ounce glass. This indicated level IS NOT the volume of the liquid. It is the volume of the liquid plus the water displaced by the weight of the ice.

28 posted on 05/26/2014 9:31:38 AM PDT by William Tell
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