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Yes to Reparations!
May 25, 2104 | self

Posted on 05/25/2014 5:13:22 AM PDT by Gratia

Actual slave owners are no longer around but still alive is the entity directly responsible for the perpetuation of slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow, segregation and the spread of racial hatred for political purposes.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: reparations
Actual slave owners are no longer around but still alive is the entity directly responsible for the perpetuation of slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow, segregation and the spread of racial hatred for political purposes.

That entity is the Democrat Party.

The objections to reparations are numerous, but the principal one if justice. How is it just to make totally innocent people pay?

By making the Democrat Party pay, that objection disappears entirely. The Democrats were in fact and are in fact the entity responsible for every bad thing which happened to black people for decades and decades.

And it is the entire Democrat Party which is responsible. The hatred fostered by the party was a necessary aspect of national Democrat success. Heck, no one from the party has even apologized for what the party did to black folks and to America through the advocacy of racial injustice.

YES! I am very much in favor of reparations, if paid by the Democrat Party.

1 posted on 05/25/2014 5:13:22 AM PDT by Gratia
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To: Gratia

The Democrats need racial hatred to keep their party strong which is why they foster it whenever possible. Men like Al Sharpton, Jessee Jackson, and William Holder are essentially tasked with stirring the much whenever possible. Thinks about the Trayvon Martin Zimmerman thing. Why do we even know about one wanna-be gang-banger getting popped by an over-zealous neighborhood watch dude? Furthermore, why was this couced in the media as a black vs white thing? The Democrats need this stuff, that’s why.

If there truly was meaningful racism in this country, how can you explain the success of Asians and of blacks who were born in other countries? You can’t!!! Most poverty in this country starts with a bad state of mind and then gets perpetuated by politicians who take advantage of the same bad state of mind.

Finally, there are certainly and unfortuantely racists in our society, but there are also black gangs. Neither extreme paints close to an accurate picture of whites or blacks.


2 posted on 05/25/2014 5:22:16 AM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: Mustangman
...William Holder...

Guessing you meant Eric Holder?

3 posted on 05/25/2014 5:29:04 AM PDT by MCH
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To: Mustangman
America fought its most bloody war to end slavery. My ancestors fought in that war. America almost split apart over the issue.

After much spilled blood America ended slavery.

NO NATION ON EARTH HAS DONE SO MUCH AS AMERICA TO END SLAVERY.

Consider, who owes reparations to whom before you rush into this stupidity.

4 posted on 05/25/2014 5:30:25 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama stands for the corruption of America in all aspects.)
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To: Mustangman

Reparations are yet another means to spread the hatred.

But there must be a countervailing meme, based on facts and on justice, that the Democrat Party owes black Americans billions of dollars in reparations.

Every Democrat everywhere, from dogcatcher to president, needs to be asked:

When will your party finally pay up for the horror they inflicted on black people?

Gangs have nothing to do with this issue.


5 posted on 05/25/2014 5:32:55 AM PDT by Gratia
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To: Mustangman
The Democrats need this stuff, that’s why.

Zactly. People like Herman Cain, Allen West, Tm Scott, etc. scare the Dickens out of the Democrats. Herman Cain said as a candidate that he could get 1/3 of the black vote. That is political death for the Dems!

The Dem answer to that is amnesty. Fortunately, the idiots did not realize this until recently or they would have passed an amnesty bill first instead of Obamacare.

6 posted on 05/25/2014 5:39:06 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Global Warming is caused by illegal immigrants!)
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To: Gratia
Actual slave owners are no longer around but still alive is the entity directly responsible for the perpetuation of slavery

That is a horribly untruthful statement. Americans died to end slavery. And we DID end it.

7 posted on 05/25/2014 5:40:34 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama stands for the corruption of America in all aspects.)
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To: Gratia

Will free blacks who owned slaves be made to pay too?


8 posted on 05/25/2014 5:43:44 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (ItÂ’s 2014 and muslims still own and profit from slavery and selling slaves.)
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To: Gratia

I’ve seen it argued before that the Democrat party should be on the hook for reparations and I think it’s a great argument. Seems like an effective debate ender for shutting up the reparations crowd. Reparations is silly, but if you’re going to do it, it makes the most sense to hold the Democrat party accountable. It was Democrats who opposed Lincoln. It was Democrats who opposed the civil rights movement. If you want max correlation between deed and doer, go after the Democrat party.


9 posted on 05/25/2014 5:46:33 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

The Democrats also owe Republicans reparations for the sacrifices made to end slavery and advance civil rights.


10 posted on 05/25/2014 5:48:55 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Gratia
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11 posted on 05/25/2014 5:51:00 AM PDT by RetSignman
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To: Gratia

Good point. Reparations should come from the Democrat Party and should not be paid to persons just because of their skin color. Many persons are not descendants of slaves even though their skin is dark brown. Many persons whose skin is dark brown are descendants of persons who sold slaves to slavers. They should pay too.


12 posted on 05/25/2014 5:55:33 AM PDT by ricmc2175
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To: Gratia
No damned reparations...period...from or to anyone!

It's a stupid idea, regardless of who proposes it or who gets put on the hook for it.

You open that Pandora's Box and the horrors of "gibsmedat" affliction will bite everyone in the ass.

In fact, the US program of "gibsmedat" is already destroying this nation.

To propose a payment to the surviving relatives of persons who may or may not have been "owned" by certain persons, who may or may not have been active participants in a horrific practice from 150 years ago, is simply ludicrous.

To even discuss this bullshit is ludicrous.

Slavery is and was wrong, wrong, wrong...but the pure and absolute fact is that I never owned a slave and whether my political support lies with the republicans or democrats matters not.

Any so-called reparations will damned well come out of my pocket, though.

Where in the hell do you people think all this money comes from?

13 posted on 05/25/2014 5:55:58 AM PDT by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: OldSmaj
To even discuss this bullshit is ludicrous.

I see your point. The problem is, we're going to have this debate whether we want it or not, and this is a good answer.

14 posted on 05/25/2014 5:59:49 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Gratia
Reparation programs do exist in all but name.

Affirmative Action, set-asides, black studies departments, Section 8, SNAP, EBT, Pigford, etc. are all methods used to reditribute wealth from Whitey to Blackey.

Ask not when Reparations will begin but when the bill will be marked Paid in Full.

15 posted on 05/25/2014 6:00:11 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: BuffaloJack

Will free blacks who owned slaves be made to pay too?
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Well no, because, as like today, they too were victims of an oppressive society. /s


16 posted on 05/25/2014 6:01:38 AM PDT by RetSignman
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To: OldSmaj
"gibsmedat"

WORD OF THE DAY!

17 posted on 05/25/2014 6:07:10 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: VRW Conspirator
Herman Cain said as a candidate that he could get 1/3 of the black vote

I wish he hadn't given up so easily.

18 posted on 05/25/2014 6:09:26 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Gratia

The original sin of slavery began with African Chieftains sold their people to European slave traders...start there.


19 posted on 05/25/2014 6:15:59 AM PDT by RetSignman
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To: Gratia
The Democrats were in fact and are in fact the entity responsible for every bad thing which happened to black people for decades and decades.

Nope, only 80/20. The RATs 80% contribution was setting up the conditions leading to destructive behavior; the behavior itself is on the blacks, the other 20%.

And they are the only ones who can "fix" the problem; when we try to help we are racist.

20 posted on 05/25/2014 6:23:45 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: RetSignman
AND they sold them for Square Face Gin (Google it).

The British knew how to mollify an indigenous people, didn't they!

21 posted on 05/25/2014 6:30:56 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: Gratia

Yes, some Americans died to end slavery, but ending slavery was never American policy. The US invaded the states that sought to separate because the US needed the money and the Mississippi river. That being said: Africans were not the first people enslaved. Classical Greece, Epic Egypt, the Roman Empire, Colonial Spain - even (all gasp here) the “enlightened” Muslims practiced institutional slavery over conquered cultures. The Bible refers to slaves under the ancient Israelites. Until James Watt invented the steam engine almost all work was done with human power or horsepower. In truth, the western European feudal system was the closest to a modern free society before the USA.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 6:40:11 AM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: Gratia
Hey, since we are already so far in the national financial hole, I say print the damn money and pay’em off. Give each black person in America a couple thousand dollars. Why not?

Here is the logic: We are screwed financially in this nation with huge deficits, fed. reserve balance sheet, enormous unfunded liabilities. Our nation can never pay back or forward this debt. It is more than the GDP of the entire world...and GROWING.

Print it...print it all. Give the damn poverty pimps what they asking for, reparations. Negotiate the amount as well, but just pay’em off.

Afterward, play the PAYED IN FULL card whenever the reverend Al starts popping off or the reverend Jackson attempts any further extortion. Done! You've been paid, now get over it. Do not ever whine and poor mouth again. We don't want to hear it.

Now, get off your lazy @$$e$ and be productive members of society....or starve! Tired of this endless race/poverty/victim mentality. It's beyond nauseating.

23 posted on 05/25/2014 6:50:13 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Aevery_Freeman

AND they sold them for Square Face Gin...
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I knew it was kind of alcohol. These days the ‘slave owners’ use crack.


24 posted on 05/25/2014 6:54:43 AM PDT by RetSignman
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To: Aevery_Freeman

After reading the responses in this thread I see why the Left wins every time.

Are we really so dense we cannot see when we have a winning political hand?

A couple folks did not even read the post, and a couple who did missed the point.

Why did the Atlantic reparations article come out in the past few days?

Because the Left sees it as a winning issue for the upcoming elections.

The non-Left every where and every time needs to say YES to reparations, if it is paid by the only existing responsible party, the Democrats.

Please folks, think about it.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 6:54:45 AM PDT by Gratia
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To: Gratia

Reparations were paid between 1861 and 1865 in the form of lives lost on a thousand battlefields. For every FIVE SLAVES FREED one soldier paid with his life. Others paid in blood with the loss of arms and legs.


26 posted on 05/25/2014 7:01:43 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Gratia
...say YES to reparations, if it is paid by the only existing responsible party, the Democrats.

So...you are in favor of IRS targeting based upon political affiliation.

Interesting.

27 posted on 05/25/2014 7:12:35 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Look, the Left has already advocated reparations.

The only effective answer at this point is based on facts and justice.

If reparations is to be paid, let it be paid by the ONLY existing entity which was responsible for the harm in the first place, the Democrat Party.

This puts the focus of the issue directly where it belongs: who should pay.

And the ONLY just answer is the Democrat Party, already in favor of reparations.

Then the issue is strictly who is the responsible perpetrator, the Democrats or Every One Else?

Actually, when you think about it, why aren’t the Democrats volunteering to pay reparations?


28 posted on 05/25/2014 7:16:28 AM PDT by Gratia
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To: All

Lets have this debate, regarding reparations for all the black folks. Which Congress criter will be willing to lead the charge & propose legislation? Who will be taxed and who won’t? Money? Land? Or both? The GOP should support any bill, in exchange for three constitutional amendments. No, reparation bill can go into effect without these amendments being ratified.
1. Ban all abortions.

2. All laws apply equally to all members of Congress and the People.

3. Any person receiving federal or state aid loses the right to vote in any election


29 posted on 05/25/2014 8:06:15 AM PDT by redreno (Americans don't go Gault. Americans go Postal.)
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To: Gratia

“Are we really so dense we cannot see when we have a winning political hand?”

It’s a losing political, financial and power majority hand for my people and my country.

“Please folks, think about it.”

I didn’t have to think about it at all. Wealth redistribution implies civil revolution.


30 posted on 05/25/2014 8:12:49 AM PDT by Finalmente
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To: Gratia

Mrkd


31 posted on 05/25/2014 8:53:31 AM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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To: Gratia

I had relatives in he union army and still have their discharge papers, those who made it out alive. Nobody from my family fought with the confederacy. Those who live in the north are not guilty of racism or of slavery. We keep getting accused by the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder and the like, and I don’t like it. It isn’t fair.


32 posted on 05/25/2014 9:06:10 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Gratia

Blaming people for crimes only because they share the same skin pigmentation or ethnicity, even though the crimes occurred more than a century ago, sure sounds racist to me. If this was truly an American practice, we would have had our own Kristallnacht when the Rosenbergs gave Russia the bomb.


33 posted on 05/25/2014 9:22:05 AM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: Gratia

Interesting vanity.

You want them to get the Donald treatment?


34 posted on 05/25/2014 9:52:44 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Rapscallion

England did more!


35 posted on 05/25/2014 9:53:11 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Gratia
Hear the passion - waiting to hear the plan.

So far, the IRS only practices financial proctology, not political.

How would one prove to the IRS that one was not a DemonRat (Gibsmedat in honor of the day) and, therefore, not subject to the Reparations Tax?

Please keep in mind that DemonRatz lie, professionally.

36 posted on 05/25/2014 11:21:31 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: Gratia
Actually, when you think about it, why aren’t the Democrats volunteering to pay reparations?

Pardon, I forgot to answer your question.

A:For the same reason they practice charity with your money but not theirs.

37 posted on 05/25/2014 11:23:26 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: Gratia

I’m with you. I don’t understand why you’re taking so much flack on this.


38 posted on 05/25/2014 1:28:04 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Gratia

Um..No


39 posted on 05/25/2014 1:31:41 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

TwelveOfTwenty, I am taking flak on this because no one read my post, they just read the headline. And they are posting answers which are utterly irrelevant to what I posted.

I understand the instant negativity, reacting to a buzzword like “reparations,” but I truly wish folks had not been so quick to react and had given the post the chance of a simple reading.

It is extremely rare where the non-Left gets an opening to exploit like this.

This is the chance to ask the Democrat Party to put their money, literally put their money, where their mouth is. Why is that so hard to see?

There is one entity - - the Democrat Party - - which still exists as the same entity. And this entity was TOTALLY responsible for the perpetuation of hatred against black people. And this entity also believes that black people should be paid reparations for the hatred perpetrated against them.

Then why should the Democrat Party, out of party funds, not pay those reparations exclusively?

This is so simple. It is so perfect. It is so just.

Alas. This is why the Left will continue winning.


40 posted on 05/25/2014 3:42:50 PM PDT by Gratia
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To: MCH

Whoops


41 posted on 05/25/2014 6:57:38 PM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: Gratia

There’s an even better idea for reparations. Let’s consider the difference in what a typical West African’s standard of living is today (a per capita GDB of about 2-3K) vs. what the descendant of west African slaves has in the USA (about 20K). Since being brought here as slaves is what accounts for their difference in standard of living, it’s only fair that the descendants of slaves repay the descendants of slave-owners the 17-18K benefit that they’ve gained due to the benefits of being brought over here.


42 posted on 05/26/2014 10:51:41 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck; Gratia

GDB should be GDP (hopefully obviously)


43 posted on 05/26/2014 10:57:01 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: RetSignman

REPARATIONS? SEND THE BILL TO THE KKK PARTY!!!

An Open Letter to the Democratic Party (From Black Republican Woman)

Lincoln Heritage Institute ^ | 3-18-08 | Lt. Colonel Frances Rice,

“We, African American citizens of the United States, declare and assert:

Whereas in the early 1600’s 20 African men and women were landed in Virginia from a Dutch ship as slaves and from that tiny seed grew the poisoned fruit of plantation slavery which shaped the course of American development,

Whereas reconciliation and healing always begin with an apology and an effort to repay those who have been wronged,

Whereas the Democratic Party has never apologized for their horrific atrocities and racist practices committed against African Americans during the past two hundred years, nor for the residual impact that those atrocities and practices and current soft bigotry of low expectations are having on us today,

Whereas the Democratic Party fought to expand slavery and, after the Civil War, established Jim Crow Laws, Black Codes and other repressive legislation that were designed to disenfranchise African Americans,

Whereas the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party, and their primary goal was to intimidate and terrorize African American voters, Republicans who moved South to protect African Americans and any other whites who supported them,

Whereas, according to leading historians (both black and white), the horrific atrocities committed against African Americans during slavery and Reconstruction were financed, sponsored, and promoted by the Democratic Party and their Ku Klux Klan supporters,

Whereas from 1870 to 1930, in an effort to deny African Americans their civil rights and to keep African Americans from voting Republican, thousands of African Americans were shot, beaten, lynched, mutilated, and burned to death by Ku Klux Klan terrorists from the Democratic Party,

Whereas Democratic Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry Truman rejected anti-lynching laws and efforts to establish a permanent Civil Rights Commission,

Whereas the Democratic party has used racist demagoguery to deceive African Americans about the history of the Republican Party that: (a) started as the anti-slavery party in 1854, (b) fought to free African Americans from slavery, (c) designed Reconstruction, a ten-year period of unprecedented political power for African Americans, (d) passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution granting African Americans freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote, (e) passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 granting African Americans protection from the Black Codes and prohibiting racial discrimination in public accommodations, (f) passed the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1965 granting African Americans protection from the Jim Crow laws, (g) established Affirmative Action programs to help African Americans proper with Republican President Richard Nixon’s 1969 Philadelphia Plan that set the first goals and timetables and his 1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act that made Affirmative Action Programs the law of our nation, and (h) never sponsored or launched a program, passed laws, or engaged in practices that resulted in the death of millions of African Americans,

Whereas Brown vs. the Board of Education of Topeka (a 1954 decision by Chief Justice Earl Warren who was appointed by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower) was a landmark civil rights case that was designed to overturn the racist practices that were established by the Democratic Party,

Whereas after Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt received the vote of African Americans, he banned African American newspapers from the military shortly after taking office because he was convinced the newspapers were communists,

Whereas Democratic President John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Law, opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and was later criticized by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. for ignoring civil rights issues.

Whereas Democratic President John F. Kennedy authorized the FBI (supervised by his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy) to investigate Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. on suspicion of being a communist,

Whereas Democratic Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, made a 14-hour filibuster speech in the Senate in June 1964 in an unsuccessful effort to block passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and was heralded in April 2004 by Democratic Senator Christopher Dodd as a senator who would have been a great leader during the Civil War,

Whereas when the 1964 Civil Rights Act came up for vote, Senator Al Gore, Sr. and the rest of the Southern Democrats voted against the bill,

Whereas in the House of Representatives only 61 percent of the Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act as compared to 80 percent of Republicans, and in the Senate only 69 percent of the Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, compared to 82 percent of the Republicans,

Whereas Democratic President Bill Clinton sent troops to Europe to protect the citizens of Bosnia and Kosovo while allowing an estimated 800,000 black Rwandans to be massacred in Africa, vetoed the welfare reform law twice before signing it, and refused to comply with a court order to have shipping companies develop an Affirmative Action Plan,

Whereas Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore created harmful racial division when he falsely claimed that the 2000 presidential election was “stolen” from him and that African Americans in Florida were disenfranchised, even though a second recount of Florida votes by the “Miami Herald” and a consortium of major news organizations confirmed that he lost the election, and a ruling by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission declared that African Americans were not denied the right to vote,

Whereas the Democratic Party’s soft bigotry of low expectations and social promotions have consigned African Americans to economic bondage and created a culture of dependency on government social programs,

Whereas the Democratic Party’s use of deception and fear to block welfare reform, the faith-based initiative and school choice that would help African Americans prosper is consistent with the Democratic Party’s heritage of racism that included sanctioning of slavery and kukluxery, a perversion of moral sentiment among leaders of the Democratic Party whose racist legacy bode ill until this generation of African Americans,

Now, therefore, for the above and other documented atrocities and accumulated wrongs inflicted upon African Americans, we demand a formal written apology and other appropriate remuneration from the leadership of the Democratic party.


44 posted on 05/29/2014 10:34:52 AM PDT by Dqban22
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